Accelerating Timpani roll

[rolifer]

I use Sibelius and have tried a number of ways to notate a convincing accelerating Timpani roll. None of these have been very successful, so I am asking any notation user to explain how they notate one of these.

Thanks

Ron

[rbowser-]

Why get it done in Sib, Ron? Notate it so it looks pretty on paper, then go to your Sonar where you can get a great sounding Tymp roll in under one minute.

Play the two octaves (left hand right hand) in real time, no quantization. Use "Length" control to cut the time in half. In Piano Roll sculpt the tops of the velocity values.

Ta Da.

Randy B.

[rolifer]

Why get it done in Sib, Ron? Notate it so it looks pretty on paper, then go to your Sonar where you can get a great sounding Tymp roll in under one minute.

Play the two octaves (left hand right hand) in real time, no quantization. Use "Length" control to cut the time in half. In Piano Roll sculpt the tops of the velocity values.

Ta Da.

Randy B.

Randy

Sonar is so easy to use, once you know how to use it. Today was the first day I even realized that those lines in the piano roll were the velocity values. Between school, work and everything else, I am slowly learning how to do things in sonar. This past weekend was the first time I got 5 instruments to play and get a wav file out of it. The reason this took so long was I gave up doing it by the book, and tried a different way and it finally worked, I must of tried a few hundred times by following their directions and it never worked.

I can solve any mathematical equation given a set of directions to follow, I can drive any where with (good) directions, I can follow the tutorials on line on youtube and get things to work. But the directions in the book they sent with the program are different and don't work.

So being the smart man I am, when they offered me an upgrade to sonar 7 studio for $99, I took it. Hopefully, that book is right and I will finally get everything to work right.

Then I will be able to do the simple timp roll!

I understand what you mean and agree that it should be simple and in time it will be simple even for me.

Thanks Randy

Ron

[rolifer]

So I am still looking for a way to do this in a notation program.

[darrob]

Hi

just notate it.


eg Simple accelerating timpani roll over 7 measures, 4/4 time

4 quarters->8 dotted eights->8 eights->4 groups of eights tuplets->
16 sixteenths->6 groups of sixteenth tuplets->24 Thirty seconds.

The rate at which you want to accelerate etc can be controlled by using a combination of dotted notes and tuplets.

The shorter notes can be notated using the tremolo slash (/, //, ///)

I have an example of the above, but only in Finale format. If you wish, PM me and I'll send you a MusicXML file (Sibelius should be able to read MusicXML)

Cheers...

Daz :0)

[Styxx]

Hmm, accelerating timpani roll. Interesting ... Oh, an says Accellerando (accel.) "Gradually faster" I would love to see your notational Suppositions. Can any of you post an example for all to see?

[darrob]

Hi

These may not be notationally correct, but seems to sound OK.
2 examples:

http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Etara/darrin/Accel_Roll_1.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Etara/darrin/Accel_Roll_2.jpg

Cheers...

Daz :0)

[rolifer]

darrob

I appreciate that, but I am looking for a convincing one in 1 to 2 measures (4/4 time). Right now I am looking for one in one 4/4 measure. So far everything I have done just doesn't sound real.

Ron

[darrob]

Hi

How about this?

http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Etara/darrin/1_Measure_Roll.jpg

Cheers...

Daz :0)

[rolifer]

darrob

Thanks, I don't know if I tried that one yet or not, but will try it tonight.

Ron

[darrob]

A suggestion.

If you're having troubles getting the right notation, try tapping out what you want on a keyboard (two fingers). Make sure that you're capturing the attempts in Sib. When you're satisfied with the rhythm, take what you've tapped into your score.

Cheers...

Daz :0)

[rolifer]

A suggestion.

If you're having troubles getting the right notation, try tapping out what you want on a keyboard (two fingers). Make sure that you're capturing the attempts in Sib. When you're satisfied with the rhythm, take what you've tapped into your score.

Cheers...

Daz :0)

darrob

Now I just feel foolish. That makes perfect sense!

The obvious answer and I missed it.

Are you the same daz from cgempire?

Thanks

Ron

[darrob]

Are you the same daz from cgempire?

Not guilty :D

Cheers...

Daz :0)

[darrob]

Now I just feel foolish. That makes perfect sense!

The obvious answer and I missed it.

You feel foolish..

I didn't think of it until I found myself tapping a rhythm out on the desk, then thinking "Hmm, maybe I should position a mike close to my fingers, then I can play it back and count the beats.... hey waiddaminit..." :rolleyes:

Cheers...

Daz :0)