nice prices

[Z6]

Just in case anyone is about to take the plunge, here are some prices e-mailed to me from soundchaser (there are more - worth checking it out)

More Great Deals on Powerful SoundWare:

Dan Dean Solo Strings: Reg:159.Sale:109.00
Dan Dean Giga Bass Reg:119.Sale: 99.00
Vocal Planet: Best vocal collection; Reg:399.Sale:329.00
Metamorphosis : Total Groove power: Reg:199.Sale:169.00
Symphony of Voices:5 CD London Choirs: Reg:499.Sale:417.00

[Lance_M]

Saving money is great... but I swear, these sales sure put me through stress!

For example, a new VotA with its male and female choirs at $500 (maaaybe $400 if I\'ve got points at ) or SoV with its huge variety for $417?! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

And I love doing business with SoundChaser... they\'re always so great with their email support. Whereas going right through , you rarely even get a reply.

[This message has been edited by Lance_M (edited 03-28-2002).]

[Munsie]

I would just call them and give them your best offer what you are willing to pay, see if they take the bite. Guys, the ONLY reason some sample prices are so high is because a few of you are willing to pay $500.00-$1000.00 for a sample library. Common sense tells you, if no one buys it at those high prices, they WILL lower it eventually.

Hey, regardless how long it takes them to make a sample library, the bottom line is what WE the consumers are willing to pay for it.

So the next time library X comes out, and you are really excited about it and really feel implusive to buy it, slow down, give them a call and tell them it is too high. (If you honestly fell that way.) If enough consumers do this, the prices will fall.

The library is already developed, it\'s up to us if they make any money at all from their venture.

[Jamieh]

Munsie, if that were true, don\'t you think that Miroslav would have lowered the price on his $5,000 library by now?

Composers working as professionals can either write off the cost of samples on their taxes as a business expense, or can get the company they are working for to buy it for them.

Considering the prices I have paid for audio hardware over the years (synthesizers and the like) the prices of GigaStudio libraries are not really out of line. Sure they are expensive, but they provide a service that no one else can provide. What will drive their prices down is if someone else either provides this service (i.e. the high quality sounds) at a better price, or creates better sounds, thus negating the competitive advantage of the expensive library.

[This message has been edited by Jamieh (edited 03-28-2002).]

[KingIdiot]

hmm

thats kind of like saying if we dont pay for gas at high prices they\'ll come down....

except....

we need these libraries so we have to buy them and cant just wait for developers to lower the prices.

I stilll dont think that the prices are outragous (except Miro)

I still consider them the same as buying an instrument to make music.



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[Phattlippz]

AGGGHHH!!!! For the love of god, no more soundware sales! I have racked up one mutha of a VISA bill this year from buying sound libraries from , etc. When they have these sales--I\'m like a rottweiler in a meat factory!

I feel better now...

[Z6]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KingIdiot:
hmm

thats kind of like saying if we dont pay for gas at high prices they\'ll come down....

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But King, that is what happens. If supply is tight, prices rise. If demand is high, prices rise, and vice-versa.

There is a lot more going on with oil/gas prices of course, but a lot of libraries do exist within the normal supply/demand paradigm.

I don\'t think the Miroslav does though. It\'s like any very high-end luxury item, where cost is secondary - like diamonds, for example, they cost a lot but it\'s all manipulated by a single company; their \'true\' value may be a tenth of what people pay (or less, given that they little \'industrial value\' these days).

I think the Miro might come down though, with the advent of more competition. Or maybe he\'ll come out with an updated library, and discount the old one.

Almost every library gets discounted at various times of the year, and that\'s when to buy.

Here, we can keep each other informed of various deals and sales: I feel sorry for people who buy something one week only to find it on sale the next.

Just try not to be so desperate, bide your time and there are great deals available on most libraries.

I don\'t think there\'s anything wrong with \'haggling\' though, I reckon you can haggle on anything in any country if you get to speak to someone who has the power to make the deal.

[Munsie]

\"Munsie, if that were true, don\'t you think that Miroslav would have lowered the price on his $5,000 library by now?
Composers working as professionals can either write off the cost of samples on their taxes as a business expense, or can get the company they are working for to buy it for them.\"

That\'s my point EXACTLY! Certain individuals, like commercial composers who can basically past the cost of the library to the client, will pay those high prices, and then write them off. For the record, I expense all of my music purchases. http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Certain libraries as I\'ve said before, are higher priced to keep the masses from using them. I assume they don\'t want the guy working on the lastest film to have the same string sound as someone posting his first mp3 at mp3.com.

At $5000.00 a pop, they are filtering out their market, I would think if they get 20-30 sales a year they are happy. Plus from a marketing stand point, what a deal they can provide to the end user, HALF OFF, only $2500.00!!! Act now! jeesh...

Remember, it\'s always easier to lower prices than to raise them.

My point is, there are indeed certain libraries I would pay $1000.00 and up for, a GREAT electric library for instance I would jump on in a heart beat. But, if I did not think it was worth it to me I would not by it \"anyway\". Take for instance QL Strat. I waited a long time for it, I thought the original asking price was too high so I did not buy it. Now it\'s down to a level where I\'m thinking about buying it. And thanks to the feedback from this board it sounds like it may be a better value at the lower prices.

Take your time, voice your opinion, ask for discounts. Tell them you\'re not going to buy it at it\'s current price if you think it\'s not priced fairly. After spending several $1000\'s of dollars on cd coasters, my impulsive days are long gone.

[KingIdiot]

hmmmm

Comparing 1000 bucks to 300 for a guitar library is quite different IMO

same with vocal libraries and other libraries.

IMO Guitar libraries should be on the cheap end.

mostly because I beliece that most anyone can learn to play the guitar, just like the piano (sampliing a piano doesn\'t even really require a good player, just constant velocites and time....and good editing/programming)

not to mention if you effect the crap out of the guitars.

Its why I think Franky\'s stuff is a great value, and so is the DC stuff.

I haven\'t played with QL strat, but nick knows I\'m always bitching about his prices....maybe its East West\'s fault and not Nick\'s... I dunno.

Still in the end, all the QL products I\'ve purchased (and one I want) are very useful, and that\'s not something I can say for some libray developers.

I can complain all I want about QLB\'s original price,..but I use it all the time.

Its a matter on which part I focus on. The fact that I want more, or that I\'m getting something very usable. (do I deserve more....if so why the hell dont I do the sampling myself?)

in the end I still believe that the value of a library isn\'t defined by the amount of cash you spent on it, but how you use it.... and I\'ll say it again....we can get ALOT out of the current libraries....non distorto guitar or not http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif


BTW I\'m thinking of releasing the guitar library in a \"volume\" type at 19.99 a pop

again because I believe guitar players are a dirm a dozen.....expecially heavy metal guitar players.....maybe its a left over jaded feeling from growing up in the late 80\'s- early 90\'s

Must be how anyone doign a \"basic\" electronic loop library feels nowadays. No wonder their so cheap.

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[KingIdiot]

Oh

and BTW

Z6- THANKS FOR THE PRICES!


too bad I\'m feeling the same as Phatlippz.....

dammit

maybe they\'ll swing me free shipping if I order them all MWAHAHAHAHA http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif oh wait...I\'m broke...nevermind.

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[thesoundsmith]

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maybe they\'ll swing me free shipping if I order them all MWAHAHAHAHA oh wait...I\'m broke...nevermind
[\\quote]

Don\'t you get it, King? We\'re ALL broke! Nobody has any $ right now, so sales are slow, so the prices go down. The name of the game is \'consumer frustration,\' as evinced by the following cautionary tale.

Housewife (do we still have those anymore?) goes into a market and asks, \"How much are your cantaloupes?\"
The grocer replies, \"$3.00 a pound.\"
\"But they\'re only $2.50 a pound across the street!\"
\"Well, why don\'t you buy them across the street?\"
\"They\'re sold out.\"
\"Well, when we\'re sold out, our price is only $2.00 a pound!\"

Dasher
\"So it goes\" - Kurt Vonnegut

[Munsie]

Hi King!

\"Comparing 1000 bucks to 300 for a guitar library is quite different IMO same with vocal libraries and other libraries. IMO Guitar libraries should be on the cheap end.\"

Again, it\'s the value the end user bases on it. A great guitar library is worth ALOT to me however, $1000.00 for strings (C\'MON!!!) sounds totally insane!!!! But to somebody who \"orchestrates\" from his midi studio I would think a good string library is priceless. I\'ve said this before too, if someone will pay !!$1000.00!! for a sample library they would have paid twice that easily. Think about that one for a sec.....

[PolarBear]

Hey Munsie... Look around in this forum how many people have GOS. You can call it almost standard for commercial purposes. Sure it isn\'t cheap. People need it to do their stuff.

But hey, what are the costs of a recording session with a real orchestra? Let\'s say 80 people are involved... This is even for most commercial users of those libraries unaffordable I think...

Regards. http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif
Hansi

Edit: I recently visited bestservice... They have a bundle with Pure Guitars, Pure Drums AND HALion in it for 399 Euro (about $460 without shipping). offers HALion for $399 without any special additions. Hmm...
Another example... Real Giga Drums (Giga)... Sale (!): $199.95 at bestservice about $147 (127 Euro)
I\'m really happy living here in Europe http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif

[This message has been edited by PolarBear (edited 03-29-2002).]

[Munsie]

Hello Polar,

My point again, exactly. I think GOS is losing money, the composers who paid $1000.00 would easily pay twice that or more. They \"NEED\" it. They have to aquire it to stay competitive and sound as good or better than the other guy. However, if no one paid $1000.00 for it, the prices would drop.

\"Hey Munsie... Look around in this forum how many people have GOS. You can call it almost standard for commercial purposes. Sure it isn\'t cheap. People need it to do their stuff. But hey, what are the costs of a recording session with a real orchestra? Let\'s say 80 people are involved... This is even for most commercial users of those libraries unaffordable I think...\"