Rolands... wow!

[A_Sapp]

Ya know, I didn\'t think any keyboards out there had any good orchestral sounds. I was messing with a Roland keyboard with the horn section patch at leizt music, and I was like, \"what the !@#$\" I didn\'t know they made good orchestral sounds on keyboards. This is probably old news, just thought I\'d share my two cents.

[Jamieh]

Even with all the good stuff on Gigastudio, I still use a few patches off of my Roland JV-1080 with the Orchestral Expansion cards. I originally bought the JV-880 in 1994 mainly on the strength of its horn sounds.

[KingIdiot]

check out the Roland Samples that alot of the brass was based off of http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif


Actually

alot of the Roland stuff is programmed by Eric Persing....

I\'ve been using roland stuff for a few years and I still find new things I like about the sounds.

The Blues hapr patch is pretty inventive on the XP series.

Filters and pitch bends on the pitch lever.. works really well.

Makes me want to get into Reaktor More http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

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[Jamieh]

I actually held off getting GigaStudio because I was waiting for Roland to put out their next greatest thing. But when it was only the 3080/5080, I was really disappointed. Up until GigaStudio came out, I think Roland was the place to be for orchestral sounds/samples.

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[Damon]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KingIdiot:
The Blues harp patch is pretty inventive on the XP series.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Cool King http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif I use that sound in my band when we cover Dave Matthews \"What Would You Say\", the harp solo by John Popper.

[Munsie]

\"But when it was only the 3080/5080, I was really disappointed\"

I love my XV3080! I added the Studio SRX card. It\'s a great sound module. I do pop rock, I love the guitar (acoustic mainly) sounds!

[Jamieh]

Munsie, I was just referring to the orchestral sounds of the 3080/5080. They weren\'t any better than my 1080 IMO. Even now, they still haven\'t released any new SRX expansion cards for better brass or woodwinds--just for strings.

The 3080/5080 may rock for what you are using it for, but it is no longer the top of the heap for orchestral work that the 1080 was. All IMO of course.

[KingIdiot]

The JV/XP series was/is a major standard in tV and video game music. I even heard some JV Orch Board sounds on TV today.

which brings me to a point I wanted to bring up in a nother thread....


about tweaking. Sounds get tired and recognizable..... I think in the end I will always be a tweaker no matter what library gets released. After a while I\'ll get tired of the sound as will anyone else....

even \"cool\" people got tired of the distorted TB 303 Bass a few years ago (again).

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[Chadwick]

The centre of our studio for several years was an expanded 1080 and a 770. I think Roland\'s brass library has been a well kept secret for a while...

In the last week I\'ve done about seven pieces almost exclusively with Giga and the 1080. (the 770 doesn\'t get too much of a look in since I ported the sounds to the Giga). It\'s hard to knock sounds which are \'ready to go\' when you don\'t want anything to get in the way of inspiration.

Didn\'t Peter Sziedlacek do some of the Roland orchestral stuff?

[KingIdiot]

Some of the original Ralnd series Disc\'s strings are based off of AO\'s string sets

Still in the end even with shorter looping theres more options for laering and filters and programming....and sound design in the Orch boards http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Not to mention compression and limiting for the loops.

Still sometimes I find the soudns very usable. Especially for layering.... its about finding the right mix...which .... in the eend means... recording it and making your own Patch (actualy patches since I\'m finding different haprmicin variations in different sound tracks and playing styles)

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[Robert Kral]

KING:
Could you clarify that last statement about Roland original discs being based on AO.

I don\'t see how that\'s possible, as the 770 was released years before AO, and a lot of Roland 770 series samples for strings sound a lot better than AO, and all of them sound completely different from AO.

[clonewar]

Has anybody used the SRX Strings board for the XV series? I\'m wondering how they are and how they compare to the lower end Giga string libraries (like Prosonus). I wasn\'t too impressed with the demo from Roland\'s site.

Thanks,
Mike

[notemover]

I am doing my orchestral mockups on 2 jv-1010\'s and orch 1 and 2 alone. I like the sounds on the board a lot. There is a string patch on the orch 2 bord (program 12) that is very realistic that I used to record a 1 mvt 10 minute piece for string orchestra. It is really good for slow mvts like the Baber\'s adagio, it if you trigger it at ffff with finale it is Very intence and has some real bite to it much like some of the bite I have heard in KH\'s lib. The only problem with the 1010\'s it their audio outs are VERY noisey!!! You can get an 3080 now for $975, so I will be upgrading. I don\'t like the brass on the boards, fh is ok though. Winds are a strong point and sit well in a mix, and perc is ok. Has anyone used the l-cdx boards? I was thinking about getting them with a 5080? Any anvice? Thanks.
notemover

[Jamieh]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>
Could you clarify that last statement about Roland original discs being based on AO.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have heard the same thing. Something about AO and the Roland String disks being based on the same samples from the same recording session.

[KingIdiot]

Robert,

I read it in a Pro Rec article I believe...

Also I think its only some sustains, The short bows are very different if I remember correctly.

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[Veron]

Mr.Clonewar

I`m using SRX Strings with my
XV5080 Sound Module.And what I`m
going to write is just my opinion.

I think some patches sound great in
the SRX Srings.But some patches sound
synthy.

(Im not taking about the patches
that were made to sound synthy.BTW
there are few patches that were made
to sound synthy using the samples(waves)
inside the SRX Board)

But the other patches sounds
great to me.You should go to a store
and listen to it.BTW I didnt like the
Roland Demo too.

And also there arent alot of
articulations.So if you want alot
of Articulation I think you should
buy Giga Strings or Kirk Hunter or
any other strings library that has
alot of articulations.
And about comparing with low end
string libraries.I dont have the library
so I cant say anything.I`m very
sorry.

I wish I could post a Demo but I`m not good at Orchestrating yet.And mocking....
I think my ears and my composition
technique needs alot more training.

BTW Im looking foward to the SRX Brass
Board.There isnt any information about
the SRX Brass Board coming out,but I
think it will comeout in the future.

I hope this helps.

Veron

[Gulliver]

Hmmmm.. This discussion bring back some (good?) memories of the JV1080 and Expansion board days. As far as I know (and that isn\'t much at any stretch), EMU licensed some of Peter\'s AO sounds for use as expansion on its sound module, \'Virtuoso 2K\' (or something with that title, i\'ve stopped keeping track of the synth world).
The original Roland Orchestral Library (2 disc set + 1 disc each for Percussion and Woods) came waaaay before the first mention of AO. The Orchestral I and II expansion boards for the JV line used those sounds but they were compressed at an incredible rate, so much so they really didn\'t do justice to the sounds that were back then the best available. Still though, the boards came in very handy for quick mockups. The cdrom samples are still being used today and I find that some of the Percussion and Brass comes in handy. I know there are some well known film composers who have put in so much time tweaking them as part of their library collection that they are somewhat reluctant to let them go (ie. James Newton Howard) When someone mentions the Roland orchestral samples, they most likely mean the disc collection made for the Samplers (ie. S760), not necessarily the expansion boards.