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valhalx
07-22-2008, 06:21 PM
http://realitycheck.typepad.com/commentary_news/2008/07/death-of-free-internet-is-imminent--canada-will-be-test-case.html

schneb
07-22-2008, 06:50 PM
http://realitycheck.typepad.com/commentary_news/2008/07/death-of-free-internet-is-imminent--canada-will-be-test-case.html
It will never happen. There would be such a backlash and independent pirates would kill any greedy opportunist from even getting started. This "test case" would be good news. When it flops big time with a firestorm of outcry, any others with the chutzpa to try again would think twice.

Reegs
07-22-2008, 07:11 PM
I'm with Schneb on this one. It would be impossible to implement without outcry, especially from a powerful company like Google, whose job is to not limit you to answers.com, wikipedia.org, and whitehouse.gov.

From a user access point it's not feasible. Too much data to track and aggregate from server requests, too many websites to qualify. What is possible is regulation of hosting though, where not only do you pay for your site's service plan, you pay for a "tier," and as most users do not operate web sites, implementation on this front will overtly affect fewer people. The cries, while maybe louder, will have fewer numbers. If it ever happens, I can see tiered internet developing into a big anti-trust or monopoly case in the future. (NetBasic only gives me wikipedia, my cable provider's site, and the big three television network sites?? Something's fishy.)

But then perhaps an ISP to the equivalent of Southwest will come along and offer all tiers at one price, thereby undoing the other ISP's maniacal actions as everyone switches to them, the world rejoices, the ISPSavior inadvertently becomes a monopoly, gets broken up, and we start all over. (Think it'll be AT&T??:p)

Remember when they tried to charge postage for e-mail?


-Reegs

C J Pro
07-22-2008, 11:27 PM
Alas, this is the old case of net neutrality being brought up once again.

For those that have never heard of net neutrality, it is the reason why you can access websites freely. The best way of explaining what net neutrality is is to give the scenario of net neutrality being non-existent. If there was no net neutrality, you would have multiple plans for your internet service. The basic plan may get you access to Google. The premium, more expensive plan may get you access to YouTube. And sites like garritan.com and northernsounds.com would be stuck as they would have to pay the ISPs themselves to be able to be accessed by their users. Yes, an internet without net neutrality is scary.

What's worse is that while you are worried about it happening in Canada, it's happening in your own backyard too. Let's take the United States, for example. Right now, lobbyists in congress have been pushing to abolish net neutrality and they have won some battles and lost others. I have been watching this situation for a couple years now and it just constantly disgusts me what these companies are constantly trying to do to pull an extra profit from their customers.

There is a new bill in congress to support net neutrality. I'd recommend checking out http://SaveTheInternet.com for more information on this bill and to contact your local representative. As a web developer, I don't want my efforts to create popular websites (none successful yet) thwarted by these companies. And as a customer, I still want to be able to access websites like Garritan.com and NorthernSounds without having to shell out extra money.

rwayland
07-23-2008, 12:58 AM
There would be such a rebellion from disgruntled users, most of whom would probably leave the internet. And there would be such a loss to commerce that the screams would never end!

Richard

ludicrouslionel
07-23-2008, 05:10 AM
well screams are great but 98% of the internet users wouldnt have a clue who to scream to, or what to do to fight and change the issue.... People, when pushed and herded into a corner either go crazy, or learn to deal with it... Somehow or another both those things dont impress "The Man", so all I'm saying is watch out...

Raymond62
07-23-2008, 05:51 AM
Goodbye Internet. When and if we have to pay for it, ..... what about our demands of a higher quality? Now Internet is rather polluted. I also vote for paying email, as I understand it is a part of Internet. Then all those "limb" enhancers, Rolexes, celebrity sites (you know what I mean), may be something of the past. Daily I receive on average 200 messages directly going into that famous "bin".

A downside is, that for any advice from Garritan Forum (among others) we have to pay. I agree when Gary gets a share of it, but I don't think this will ever happen.

Raymond

qccowboy
07-23-2008, 08:41 AM
I'm more concerned that everyone is acting as though this article is actually true.

I have yet to hear ANY murmur of this on the news in Canada.

Yes, Rogers decided to start charging for texting.

How that became "the internet in Canada wil be limited by package" I don't know.

Texting is a cellphone service. It has nothing to do with internet products. As a matter of fact, Rogers cellphone service is a different company from Rogers internet (try complaining to one about the other... trust me, "we have no control over that").

This "article" is on someone's blog, and as a number of people rightfully pointed out, THERE ARE NO SOURCES CITED!

That doesn't make for the most credible read.

Well, colour me "the eternal optimist".

Raymond62
07-23-2008, 09:37 AM
I'm more concerned that everyone is acting as though this article is actually true.

Always to nice contemplate when it really happens. Is it possible to let us pay for Internet. No! In fact we are already paying for it. Our ISP has his share monthly. Will Internet die if we have to pay for it? It is just the same as letting us pay for breathing.

Raymond

Cantabile
07-25-2008, 03:07 PM
In no way do I want to sound pessimistic:)

In alot of ways I am very torn on the internet topic. It has made life easier, expanded businesses, and a whole ton of things not possible before that have greatly enhanced life(GPO!). However there is the opposite end.
I see my niece who is the "next" generation. The things that exist in her life are the Net, and TV. Not to far off removed from her generation I was out playing with friends, riding bikes to the local "woods" building forts, and overal just having a great time. Computers were there, however it did not consume my entire being. I was happy without one playing outside, or happy playing some game inside(a balance).
The concept of "playing outside" has died VERY fast. I watch my niece sit in front of two devices all day. I cannot say anything because she is not mine. HOwever I see it everywhere.
I guess I would not view it so bad if there was still a balance still, but at times I feel the balance has tipped when you watch kids glued to nintendos, TV, and computers.
I have nothing against the net and love it. I know many may not follow my view and that is ok:) I am not an arguing type. I do feel that Einstien's prediction will come true though at our current rate. "technology will surpass humanity".
Just a second look(I am not for the idea presented BTW! Just a perspective of observations).

LFO
07-25-2008, 03:20 PM
In no way do I want to sound pessimistic:)

In alot of ways I am very torn on the internet topic. It has made life easier, expanded businesses, and a whole ton of things not possible before that have greatly enhanced life(GPO!). However there is the opposite end.
I see my niece who is the "next" generation. The things that exist in her life are the Net, and TV. Not to far off removed from her generation I was out playing with friends, riding bikes to the local "woods" building forts, and overal just having a great time. Computers were there, however it did not consume my entire being. I was happy without one playing outside, or happy playing some game inside(a balance).
The concept of "playing outside" has died VERY fast. I watch my niece sit in front of two devices all day. I cannot say anything because she is not mine. HOwever I see it everywhere.
I guess I would not view it so bad if there was still a balance still, but at times I feel the balance has tipped when you watch kids glued to nintendos, TV, and computers.
I have nothing against the net and love it. I know many may not follow my view and that is ok:) I am not an arguing type. I do feel that Einstien's prediction will come true though at our current rate. "technology will surpass humanity".
Just a second look(I am not for the idea presented BTW! Just a perspective of observations).

Not to be trite but blame the parents not the internet. My kids have the same devices and opportunities. 3 game consoles, the internet and TV. They have (during the school year) 2 hours a day they can divy up between the three any way they want to. During the summer they have 5 hours. (Hey, we're in Arizona and its 112 degrees outside, there is only so much they can do when the sun is up!) Once their time is up they move on to other things.

The result? The internet, TV and video games are part of a balanced life like you mentioned. My kids enjoy playing outside as much as they do updating their MySpace page. Sure, sometimes they want more time and I (usually) don't allow it. It requires effort to keep up with how much time each of three kids spends their day but it is worth it. I'm no genius, I've just set boundries and so far it has paid off.

Like anything, the internet can be a good influence or a bad influence. The same goes for TV and video games. It is in our hands to choose. I know I'm not saying anything new or enlightening, I just thought I'd post to let people know that parents can help their kids find the right balance.

-Kevin

Gustov Varbirski
07-25-2008, 03:27 PM
Remember how long AOL kept its monopoly charging by the minute? People won't stand for it and the market will dictate the future of the Internet.

Cantabile
07-25-2008, 04:22 PM
Not to be trite but blame the parents not the internet. My kids have the same devices and opportunities. 3 game consoles, the internet and TV. They have (during the school year) 2 hours a day they can divy up between the three any way they want to. During the summer they have 5 hours. (Hey, we're in Arizona and its 112 degrees outside, there is only so much they can do when the sun is up!) Once their time is up they move on to other things.

The result? The internet, TV and video games are part of a balanced life like you mentioned. My kids enjoy playing outside as much as they do updating their MySpace page. Sure, sometimes they want more time and I (usually) don't allow it. It requires effort to keep up with how much time each of three kids spends their day but it is worth it. I'm no genius, I've just set boundries and so far it has paid off.

Like anything, the internet can be a good influence or a bad influence. The same goes for TV and video games. It is in our hands to choose. I know I'm not saying anything new or enlightening, I just thought I'd post to let people know that parents can help their kids find the right balance.

-Kevin

Good to hear some have achieved a balance in this:) Thanks for the post.