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paynterr

02-13-2002, 04:22 AM

What are people\'s views on this... looking for good acoustic drum kit and cymbals for laid back rock/pop sound... Purrfect drums? Or is there something better than that?

Maarten Spruijt

02-13-2002, 04:24 AM

I just ordered Pure Drums from Yellow Tools. Supposed to be a very good allround rock/pop drums library. Many different kits and a nice sound.

If you want that live-feel guitar-band drumset try the drums on Acoustic Essentials.

KBub

02-13-2002, 08:22 AM

I\'ve been using the Yellow Tools Pure Drums for a couple of months now and I am very happy with them. There are several kits, each with snare, kick, toms, hats, cymbals (and a couple of snare effects: flam, fill and some extra snare \"bounces\" in a separate .gig file... I\'ve been able to use those bounces to get pretty believable rolls by hand).

For me the biggest plus is the number of samples per drum (16 vels for kick, 16 RH vels and 16 LH vels for snare and hats, 16 vels for toms, etc.). No machine guns here.

I also really like the natural sound of the drums. But if you\'re looking for Big Pop Star Producer drums, you probably won\'t get them out of the box. You\'ll have to do some heavy eq/comp/verb.

The only thing I\'m disappointed in is the (lack of) variety in the cymbals. I combine the Acoustic Essentials cymbals to broaden the vocabulary.

KB

Maarten Spruijt

02-13-2002, 09:47 AM

KB, would you care to share some of your Pure Drums work with us? Some mp3 demos?

Maarten

Robert Kral

02-13-2002, 09:55 AM

I also have the Pure drums: great variety and very realistic sound. Each Kit also has an additional accompanying snare patch (optional) which contains 50 different samples of that snare.

17 different kits, 17 different snares. Giga version contains two extra big toms patches also. Total samples for this library is over 3000.

Maarten Spruijt

02-13-2002, 09:57 AM

Pretty great value then !!

Wow!

sgarsson

02-13-2002, 01:06 PM

I was curious how the many layers of HH works out on Yellow Tools Drums.

I have Bob Clearmountain, Garfield and Erskine. While I like them, I am having a hard time programming an interesting and believable HH pattern that involves running 16ths, with open and closing. I am sure much of it is in my troubles controlling the patch from a keyboard.

I was just wondering if all those layers in Yellow Tools makes programming a complex HH groove a little easier/more believable?

Thanks in advance,

Scott

donnie

02-13-2002, 01:43 PM

My vote is still for Purrfect Drums. I think the amount of material and level of recording is a notch above ever other drum kit library.

Donnie

KingIdiot

02-13-2002, 01:59 PM

the thing I like about Pure Drums is that each kit has a VERY distinct sound

So you\'ve got a lot of variety.

However they are way clean, and like KBub said, you\'ll need to do ALOT of tweaking to get a big sound out of them

I like Real Giga Drums and Real Mega Drums for the big Rockstar Drum sound. RMD has better Toms and snare tones IMO. Tho RGd has better mixing capability and more velocities and more samples.

Sgarsson. Pure drums is one of the best for running 16ths on the hi hats. Since they are so clean there isn\'t much tail cut off in the Keygrouping hits. Plus left and right hits if I\'m not mistaken haven\'t used it in a few months and have too many drum libraries)

RGD sounds really good for this as well with Left and Right hits. Its when you layer in too much room sound for the hi hats that it loses its realism with fast hi hat work. Overheads and dry mic Gigs sound pretty good for this.

I personally like the hi hat work I can get out of RGD more than Pure Drums just because there are 6 different types of hi hat samples

closed, semi open, all the way open times two (left and right)

Again thats for that rock and roll/room sound. Pure drums works for more intamate and close sounds. Actually scratch that its not intimate. Its just very clean and controlled.

if Yellow tools made their library with the ambience control of RGD I\'d be in heaven

I dont have Puuurfect Drums but it gets alot of raves and isn\'t that expensive. I\'m going to pick it up at some point jsut because there are so many people (whos opinion I respect) adamant in saying that its a great library. Its just that with every demo I\'ve heard turns me off from it. In fact I\'m going to get it and do a demo no matter what I think of it. jsut so that there is more representation of it out there.

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LHong

02-13-2002, 04:29 PM

Donnie,
Your comments seem to impress me! I think that I\'ll need this library soon! However, I still don\'t have good ears to justify which Drum-kit one can be perfectly arranged in our mixed by listening to MP3 demo. And interesting is when I listen to \"The Grand\" demo, I know that kind of similar Drum sounds in the mixed that I\'m looking for...Anyone has ideas that what Drum-library-kit it is?
Best regards,
Long

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by donnie:
My vote is still for Purrfect Drums. I think the amount of material and level of recording is a notch above ever other drum kit library.

Donnie<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

KBub

02-14-2002, 09:48 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Maarten Spruijt:
KB, would you care to share some of your Pure Drums work with us? Some mp3 demos?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ooooh. Put my money where my mouth is, eh? http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif I\'ll try to put together a rough mix (I\'m using Pure Drums on a folk/rock album so at this point I could only provide rough mixes of some bed tracks).

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Robert Kral:
I also have the Pure drums: great variety and very realistic sound. Each Kit also has an additional accompanying snare patch (optional) which contains 50 different samples of that snare.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I did some heavy investigation in the editor for all of the kits. The extra snare-only .gig file for each kit contains the same samples as the snare in the full kit. But whereas the 16LH and 16RH samples are velocity-switched in the kit .gig, they\'re assigned to different keys in the snare .gig so you can play them with 32 fingers. You also get the flams, the \"roll-to-hit\" samples plus four \"snare bounces\" that aren\'t in the kit .gig (a triple bounce, a quad bounce and a couple of bounce-til-it-stops-bouncing samples usually).

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by sgarsson:
I was curious how the many layers of HH works out on Yellow Tools Drums.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe all kits have 16 velocities for open hats. About half of the kits have 32 velocity layers for closed hats (16 LH and 16 RH). The other half have 16 closed hats and 16 \"loose\" hats. You also get different kinds of \"closing-by-pedal\" samples. I feel quite comfortable grooving on the hats with no machine-gunning.

BTW, I\'m not trying to sell Pure Drums here. I bought them based on price and advertized number of velocity switches and I\'m happy with them. The only other drums I own are Acoustic Essentials so I can\'t compare to RGD or Purrfect, which both look like great buys to me.

KB

02-14-2002, 02:48 PM

I use Purrfect Drums and have to say I\'m very satisfied. Very cleanly recorded with great sounding drums for pop and rock imo. I heard that Jim is working on a brush set. That would be great if it were brushes on the same set(s) in the original. I need brushes for pop, not jazz so much. So, I don\'t want the ringing tom and kick sound that most brush sets feature.

KBub

02-15-2002, 07:50 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Maarten Spruijt wrote:
KB, would you care to share some of your Pure Drums work with us? Some mp3 demos?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok. I made a rough mix of the bed tracks of a folk/rock song that uses Pure Drums. Here are the disclaimers:
- all drums and cymbals are from one of the kits from Yellow Tools Pure Drums straight out of the box with some verb added; no compression added, no eq
- both the mix and the midi need to be cleaned up (try to ignore the parts that are \"temporally challenged\")
- don\'t write off Pure Drums if you don\'t like the demo (this disclaimer should keep their lawyers off my back http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif)
http://www.art-facts.com/bubba-algorithm/recordings/WeCherishOurScars-roughbeds.mp3 (\"http://www.art-facts.com/bubba-algorithm/recordings/WeCherishOurScars-roughbeds.mp3\")

KB