Wishlist for current libraries

[KingIdiot]

So what is it that people would like to see \"changed\" in current libraries.

Taht is to say what are \"missing\" pieces from libraries that you own.

!!!!!Please, No GOS talk here I\'m setting up another thread in the GOS forum for this!!!!

Anyhow. This might stir some discusions about other libraries and maybe we can help each other with ideas to \"fix\" them or offer ART files for sharing or even some sample editing techniques.

It might even stir up some discusion that might influence what Tascam/Nemesys does with Gigastudio next. Rumour is there are some major advancements going on in gigaland and if we come up with some power user techniques...who knows they might be included

Or Jeff can include them on his future \"Virtuoso\" MIDI tool. (he\'s going to get sick of my ideas for him to impiment on this one http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif )

Anyhow, I\'d like to see some discusions about libraries that might make me dig into other libraries I have. Like Ethno World or something.

I\'m pretty tired of the F***ing sample developer - Cutomer/User crap going on.

Mayeb we can help each other gain interest in the GigaEditor. I strongly recomend people fool around in there. You can learn alot about samples and what is actually going on in the libraries you own. Some down points and some \"neat\" things.






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[A_Sapp]

May I have an amen...?

[Francis Belardino]

Ahhhhhhhhhhmen

I think SOV has that sample http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

King rules!

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[jubal]

I\'ll have to think about this one King, but here is a quick one. I have two ethnic instrument libraries, Rare and Ethnic World. Rare is much more playable out of the box, however Ethnic World has a huge selection of sounds, but not so playable.

I want to spend more time rearranging the instruments of some of the sounds. I think there is a real treasure here for certain types of music. I know you have been dissapointed in the past with this library and it would be cool to see what can be done with it.

It would be interesting in finding out the layout of some of the instruments (percussion/drums esp.). The documentation is pretty slim. Any ideas?

BTW, Vocal Planet and these two libraries alone make for some exiting composition possibilities. Currently, I am messing with Gaelic women\'s phrases and the Irish Flute and some Ethnic World percussion.

[KingIdiot]

Yah I know I do but.... http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif

anyhow.

Here are some of the libraries I own.

Ultimate Strings
AO
Voices of the Appocolypse
Extended Classical Choir
Quantum Leap Brass
Dan Dean Solo Brass
Dan Dean Solo Woodwinds
Ethno World
Heart of Asia
Real Giga Drums
Pure Drums
Bardstown Bosendorfer Imperial Grand
Bardstown Vintage Guitars and Banjos
Bardstown Accordians

Some others that I cant think of, but anyhow, If any of you own one or more of these libraries, what do you think is missing or what sound to you wish you could get out of these? Or even better what have you tried that works really well?

I have to admit I haven\'t played enough with DDSW and DDSB to \"know\" them, but I need to get into them

Same Goes for the Bardstown stuff as I just got them and haven\'t even really gotten into them at all...but will sometime in the next week or so. I dont think there is much for me to do on the grand. The new ART file does alot \"out of the box\".

I\'m also getting VRsounds Upright Bass and Tenor Sax and Percussion. they are on the way so I\'m going to have some new stuff to plug away on.

Anyhow, I\'d like to tweak around on some ideas. Beyond all the string talk if possible.


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[KingIdiot]

jubal,

I\'ve been really anxious to get back into Ethno World, and create some loops from the phrases in Heart of asia. I dont own RI and know that the erhu is something I want to get my hands on. Are there pitch bend notes/phrases in that library?

I have a few ideas for Ethno World. In fact some very elaborate sample editing ideas for botht that and DD SW. I\'m waiting for the release of Gary\'s solo string before sharing these tho because some of the ideas and tweaks on my side (there are a couple of working out ideas) have been fine tuned with Gary in regards to his solo strings. So I feel he deserves the \"unveiling\" of it. Still without those I can think of a few things I\'d do with Ethno World to \"unlock\" some potential in it. http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif


I forgot I also have LOP. This is gonna be a fun sample edit libray. Batch processing all teh samples with wacky filters and distortions and reverb. Then replace them to get some crazy instruments. I love percussion http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

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[Jake Johnson]

In reponse to you initial question: I want a good piano sample.

The new Post piano samples sound the best. But the overtones still aren\'t there. We need a piano that is more limited: a G major piano, for example, or an E flat piano. The attempt to create a generic piano is the problem. Can someone dedicate all the RAM requirements to one key and see what happens?

[KingIdiot]

jake Pianos are a little out of my realm. I dont really understand the fundamentals of the sound that comes out of a piano. I dont play piano and only have played a real one possibly 4 times in my life http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Could you describe what you\'re asking?

Or better yet anyone else want to chime in on some ideas?

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[Mel Tron]

There is no such thing as a G major piano nor an E flat piano.

Michiel\'s Steinway D is the Best Piano Period.

[Neal Keane]

Jake, if you\'re talking about the resonance samples, I agree. They don\'t reinforce the fundamental and upper harmonics of the particular chord played...instead they respond only to individual notes and chordally sound like an atonal wash. It would be quite a feat to create resonance samples for every combination of keys struck (even if it\'s limited to one key). Maybe some kind of algorithmic resonance generator would be more feasible.

[KingIdiot]

i kind of like Jakes Idea

To ahve \"resonance samples\" of different keys then switch with keyswitches or program changes.

It WOULD be difficult to do this without a MIDI tool tho.

Isn\'t there a piano library that does this already tho?

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[Damon]

I\'d love to see another Distorted Reality type CD come out with tweaked out pianos and other organic instruments. Tweaked in a way thats playable though with other instruments.

[Chadwick]

KI,

You mean record a huge number of piano resonances - derived from different chords, then have Giga intelligently recognise what chord is played and proceed to layer the appropriate string resonance sample in with your main piano samples??

[Maarten Spruijt]

Damon, did you check for fx like that on the new Spectrasonics library? Could be more loops than effects, but still worth a look.

[jubal]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Damon:
I\'d love to see another Distorted Reality type CD come out with tweaked out pianos and other organic instruments. Tweaked in a way thats playable though with other instruments.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Damon,
Have you listened to Total Piano? Pretty interesting instruments (all piano, strings hit with different objects (muted/non-muted).

[Damon]

Are the tweaked out pianos on Total Piano playable with other instruments or are they tuned wierd?
I\'m wanting to play a melody line with the tweaked out piano along with other normally a440 tuned samples (a440 is the normal tuning isn\'t it?).
Thanks

[KingIdiot]

Chadwick,

Actually I was thinking more along the lines of having keyswitches assigned to different \"keys\" of resonances then having them always played as a layer and letting the user fade it in with the modwheel.

Again I\'m dont at all understand the fundamentals of a piano so I may be completely in another world. I AM AN IDIOT when it comes to pianos http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Damon,

Try exporting your paino samples and batch processing them with plug ins (Waves enigma and an old plug in called Warp come to mind), or try other types of whacked out filters on them, then replace the waves within the piano gig and save it as another instrument. This easily eats up Disk Space so you may want to use \"lite\" instruments, or smaller piano gigs http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif Anyhow. Do this with all kinds of your organic samples and have a ball. Its REALLY easy to do yourself http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif


John,

I\'ll take a listen to the DD SW stuff. What kind of distortion are you hearing in the oboe? About the clarinet the only thing I can think of would be LFO tremolo and vibrato, which would sound pretty bad http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif....but you ever know http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

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[jubal]

Damon,

Yep...you can play them with other instruments...although there are some fx that are all over the place (but very cool).

I don\'t have a demo handy, but the one on shows you quite a bit. The first part of it is some traditional sounds...the second half will demonstrate some of the other tweaked stuff.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Damon:
Are the tweaked out pianos on Total Piano playable with other instruments or are they tuned wierd?
I\'m wanting to play a melody line with the tweaked out piano along with other normally a440 tuned samples (a440 is the normal tuning isn\'t it?).
Thanks<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Damon]

Thanks King and Jubal http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif

[John]

King - Could I email you about the DD Oboe? My address is johnzest@speakeasy.org.

Thanks.

[John]

DD Cello - longer legato samples

DD Clarinet - samples with vibrato

DD Oboe - distortion-free mid-range samples

EW Steinway - more velocity layers

[thesoundsmith]

King, I\'d also be VERY interested to see what you can do with the Tenor set.

Someone used to working in the GS compositional editor mode probably can do a lot more with them than I have figured out how to do yet. (Did that make sense? No? Good, then I\'m communicating! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/grin.gif )

Dasher


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[KingIdiot]

John, I\'ve e-mailed you, did you get a message form me?


Dash,

The VRSounds stuff showed up today

Only messed with them a bit

The instrumetns are programmed completely different than anything I\'m used to, so I\'m going to have to take some time to get into them. And I mean INTO them as in GSEdit.

I\'ve already come up with some ideas to make a good \"building block\" set up out of whats there. I can see where Franz was going with his programming as well....Total \"feel\"

I have some great ideas tho. So soon http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif I do have to say that the \"feel\" in the samples is nice, they will limit me for sure interms of what I can play with these samples, but will sound more realistic than any other Sax Sample I have....


well except for some of the lick edits I did with Phantom Brass http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

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[This message has been edited by KingIdiot (edited 02-04-2002).]

[thesoundsmith]

King,

I\'m looking forward to your \'edit\'orials! I felt the alto was a well done sample set, but don\'t understand hos approach, and as I have virtually zero experience (or time) to dig in with the editor (c\'mon David G!,) I had no idea how his approach compares to the more \'traditional\' (yeah, right! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/grin.gif ) gig files.

The tenor demo on Franz\'s website pretty much sux, but the instrument sounds wonderful. I\'m really curious what you will be able to do with it, and also wonder how much of what you find will be able to be applied to the alto. (I still need a tenor, too, so if you make it playable, I\'ll need to order one for myself.)

Dasher