Vintaudio Giga Clean Electric Guitars get pirated grrrr !

[Franky]

Well.... someone emailed me this .nfo file from a group called \"DELIRIUM\" here\'s an excerpt:\" ..: Title: Vintaudio.Clean.Electric.Guitars.GIGA-DELiRiUM

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Supplier ... King AJ

Packager ... Team DELiRiUM

Release Type ... GIGA

Format ... Bin / Cue

Release Date ... 01-29-2002

Release Size ... CD1: 08 x 15mb

CD2: 13 x 15mb

CD3: 12 x 15mb

CD4: 11 x 15mb

Release Num ... 106

Where to buy ...


http://www.vintaudio.com/GCEG.htm (\"http://www.vintaudio.com/GCEG.htm\")

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, i guess it\'s a shock when it happens to you for the first time, i might as well get used to it....
I have a question to the other developpers (and please if you want to talk to me about this in private,i would appreciate any insight). I have a list of every buyer of the library how do i pin the bad guy who pirated, can i, how can i identify the guilty pirate ? any insight into this would be appreciated, allthough i know it\'s part of this business, i\'d sure like to pin these guys if i can....

*cringes*
Franky
Vintaudio Prod. www.vintaudio.com (\"http://www.vintaudio.com\")

[KingIdiot]

Digital Watermarking Franky

Or do custom builds of libraries for each user.

pain in the *** ...

Sorry about the pirating that really sucks man

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[Franky]

Watermarking, i don\'t know ... and even then i guess i\'d have to log every copy in some way ? really i am clueless in this dept.

what do you mean by custom build ?

really i am an idiot.... lol i know nothing about this topic, but watch me learn real quick after this incident...

Franky
Vintaudio prod. www.vintaudio.com (\"http://www.vintaudio.com\")

[KingIdiot]

Talk to the developers privately I\'m sure they can be more helpful than anyone, and keeping the \"secrets\" away from public eyes helps you keep security

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[Franky]

Yes that\'s kind of what i\'m hoping for, other developers contacting me in private, really i need some serious insight in this area.

anyone with insight into this can contact me at : francisco@vintaudio.com

Franky
Vintaudio Prod. www.vintaudio.com (\"http://www.vintaudio.com\")

[RobertKooijman]

Hi Franky!

I\'m really sorry to hear the pirating seems to have caught you as well.

Being not at all an expert in the area of watermarking etc, just some \'loud thinking\':

One thing that struck my mind thinking what to do against this is to give every single sold CDROM a unique id, burried in one or more of the samples. Of course in a way that you can\'t hear it. When the pirated version is a digital copy, you should be able to extract that id and identify at least by/via whom the pirated CDROMs were purchased.

Practically, it means that every CDROM is unique and no longer can be multiplied in the traditional manner. On the other hand, maybe there\'s already some unique id on every CDROM that can be read with some utility...

This still doesn\'t prevent pirating, but at least you can trace down things a bit.

Don\'t let the pirating make you depressed.
It\'s part of reality. Just as the many GOOD things in life are!

This week I incidentaly received my copy of the Giga Clean Electric Guitars. Suffice to say I\'m looking forward to start playing with them this weekend!

All the best, Robert

[SCARBEE]

Hi Franky,
wellcome to the club...

I freaked out last year about all this piracy.

But I believe in devine justice and karma...

Scarbee

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[Franky]

He he... thank you Scarbee, it\'s always a shock when it happens for the first time i guess... i feel just a wee bit violated and cheated it\'s very frustrating.
i also beleive in Murphy\'s law...

Robert, a lightbulb just went off in my head, i want to thank you, you didn\'t give me the answer but it got me thinking and i think i\'ve come up with a pretty nifty solution.

Franky
Vintaudio Productions.

[Haydn]

Robert Kooijman, basically what you describe is digital watermarking.

Franky, give Gary Garritan a call regarding digital watermarking. His number is on the Garritan Orchestral Strings website: http://www.gigastrings.com (\"http://www.gigastrings.com\")

Nick Phoenix has also used digital watermarking on Quantum Leap Brass.

[KingIdiot]

HOnestly I believe Digital Watermarking is the way to go.

\"nifty\" solutions might still have \"workarounds\" dont underestimate piraters. Even if it takes work to get around a naming onvention or the like. These guys WILL do it.

Also with watermaring you will be able to catch people actually using the libraries without actually buying them. Nick Pheonix did this with QLB and nailed a high profile composer.

These are the guys I think deserve to get nailed. Its not like all composers are rich, but obviously they can work sampling or recording real players into their budget! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

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[Franky]

Yes i agree, catching someone who\'s using a pirated copy of your library is good and watermarking acheives this, but i want a solution where i can catch the real bad guy the Audio library pusher ! I am toying with a few ideas, my background as a computer programmer is giving me a few ideas.

Franky.

[KingIdiot]

Kickass Franky. Good luck!

i wonder if I should make a contract that you have to sign before you can purchase any library I make. Something to the point of. If you sign this you agree that if I find a pirated copy of the library you\'ve purchased on the internet You will pay me 20 times the original fee.

or something like that. Maybe their first born... I dunno

be a pain to take all the guys to court.

Hopefully there will be an easy way for copy protection to be implimented in the future.

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[fmfgs]

Your right King with kickass! The question is only whatass. To tell you a true story that happend last night when my wife came back from editing her film: She was loaded with luggage including all her rushes and I took two suitcases from the taxi into the entrance of the building. Then Mr. stupid niceguy went back aobout 10 meters to get the rest. When I came back to the door, one of the suitcases has disapeared. Luckily the one with the rushes was to heavy, so they took only clothes, alot of my wifes paperwork and all the cds with my original music, temptracks etc. Since I often do sort of construction kits for the editing part of this stuff could be put as a library in the warez domain....
The favorit raw material for pirates is stolen stuff, so you absolutely have to go after the guy who is using your samples in a production illegaly. Plus I think there is more compensation to get from a publisher then from a individual, who probably has no idea that someone took a couple of samples from his computer in the studio while he went out for lunch...
Sorry not to be more positiv, but I\'m still upset and see theafes everywhere. http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/mad.gif
Good luck
fmfgs

[RikTheRik]

Originally posted by KingIdiot:
Digital Watermarking Franky

Or do custom builds of libraries for each user.

pain in the *** ...

Sorry about the pirating that really sucks man <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Given the cds size, they must have been using some heavy -destructive- compression. I am not sure a digital watermarking would have gone through !

[johnkay]

Originally posted by Franky:
Watermarking, i don\'t know ... and even then i guess i\'d have to log every copy in some way ? really i am clueless in this dept.
<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Hi, Franky:

Pirates ruin everything for everybody.

Try http://www.verance.com (\"http://www.verance.com\") for digital watermarking technology.

John

[Munsie]

Wow, you\'re just now finding out about piracy? Ouch... Now you\'re in the same boat as the millions of software programmers and other sample developers. How much money will you spend to attack, derail, slow down, etc, the pirating process? Throw the small fish back in, in hopes of landing the lunker? Hire a full time lawyer to search for matching watermarks? Spend all your free time creating databases, looking up users, \"worrying\" about the next pirated copy? This is all going to cost you money and hair, so proceed with caution. The end result is to make more money, and you can spend your time developing piracy tools, or you can develop more/better libraries. Both have the potential to increase your bottom line.

[Franky]

John Kay, Munsie and all,

Look at the date I originally posted this thread : Jan 31st 2001.....

For some reason, or just lack of forum etiquette knowledge or forum posting practices knowledge, \"RikTheRik\" has dug up an old and burried thread, please disregard it.

Maybe Papa Chalk could just simply close it,
thx all.

Franky.

[Munsie]

\"Look at the date I originally posted this thread : Jan 31st 2001.....\"

oops....er, uh, (blushing, red faced, etc..) never mind. images/icons/smile.gif