JABB Logic Studio + CC

[whoopassgrinchy]

Hello, I'm hoping someone out there can help me...please! :)

I have JABB and I'm able to play the instruments via Logic Studio Pro, but I don't know how to use and manipulate the effects, and I've no idea how I can use the continuous controller (cc), i just don't know where it is. Has someone else been able to use the effects with Logic Studio.

One particular effect I'm after can be heard within the first five seconds of the following demo found on the garritan website, the fall and rise of the trumpet, the link is below.

http://www.garritan.com/JABB/JABBDemos/PsychosisInTrumpetsville.mp3

Hope to hear from someone soon.

Andrew

[buckshead]

If you havent been on the forum before, welcome.

I think you are trying to get the trumpet fall-off effect. This is shown in the manual on page 25. You need to set some form of controller to sent a value between 33 and 48 on CC15.

The CC stands for Control Change and there are 127 different CC's in MIDI (in theory at least). If you are using a keyboard the mod wheel sends instructions on CC1

JABB uses CC1 to alter the dynamics.

Usually you can change the CC type somewhere on the keyboard.

If you arent using a keyboard, you should be able to add the CC effect to the midi tracks you are using, possibly using the piano roll editor (I dont use Logic but most sequencers are sort of similar)

You then send to value between 33 and 48 before the note ends and the fall off plays when the note finishes and so do all the following notes until you send a value of 0.

Adding CC values to a midi track must be in your Logic manual, its part of Midi not part of JABB. You'll also need CC64 to operate the legato effect.

Optional extras include CC's 19,20,17,12,13,18,21,22,23,26 & 27 just to tweak things a little more. And thats only the trumpets

[whoopassgrinchy]

Hello Derek,

Many thanks for responding, it was my first post on the forum, so it's good to know that there are people out there who can help! Thanks again.

You've certainly clarified a couple of things for me, but I'm still stuck as to how I can locate the CC on Logic Pro and change them (my keyboard is a basic MIDI keyboard so I can't use that).

Do you know if there is anyone else who might be able to show me a step by step in Logic Pro? Page 25 of the manual doesn't really help me....:(

Andrew

[buckshead]

There are lots of people on this forum who will help. I have no exact knowledge of Logic myself, but hang on and someone will reply. You need to wait until they wake up over the pond. Try again tomoroow

[RichR]

I am not a mac or Logic Pro user but I took a minute to check out apples tutorial on Logic Pro and I think it will answer some of your questions. Pay particular attention to the video tutorial at about half way into the the video. It gives a graphic demonstration on how to draw in CC material. It happens fast but you should get the idea.

Here is the link to the video tutorial on midi editing: http://www.apple.com/logicstudio/tutorials/#logicpro-editingmidi:

Click Here (http://www.apple.com/logicstudio/tutorials/#logicpro-editingmidi)

Hope this helps.

[whoopassgrinchy]

Thanks again, I was hoping that that would be the answer, but alas not.....

I also found a midi file on the forum (Called release fx) which I imported into Logic which had the release effects on it, and then used the Controller List to try and delete/duplicate the effect, but I couldn't do it.......

:wow:

Anyone else know? :(

[rbowser-]

Hello, whoopassgrinchy

Your post inspired me to go Google up some info on Logic Studio that you're using.

As I thought, it's the same as all MIDI/Audio production programs. One of the MIDI tools is "Piano Roll View." This is standard, and THE heart of MIDI production.

Find the Piano Roll View in your Logic. To get to itthere has to be a tab for the various views where it will be listed. Use the Help file to guide you through it.

Basically this Piano Roll View will display your notes as horizontally placed events, and then either below that or superimposed on the notes will be the data for any kind of MIDI controller that exists. Via a menu, you ask for the controller you specifically want to work with, and with your mouse you can draw in the values you want, getting totally tight, specific control.

Because of the power of the Piano Roll View which exists in all sequencer programs, there are many musicians who produce great projects without using a keyboard at all.

In other words--You gotta poke around more in your Help manual and the program itself. Everything you're asking about in this thread you'll find the answers to by exploring the Piano Roll View.

---Note: But you Do have a keyboard, you described it as "a basic MIDI keyboard." If it really is that, you Are able to record MIDI controller data with it. If it can't do that, then it's not a MIDI keyboard.

Randy B.

[bigears]

Hi, I just wanted to mention the great resources available to members by checking out what's available at Garritan.com. There are some great step by step tutorials for many of the different sequencing programs and notation programs for both PC and Mac.
Here is a link to using GPO in Logic 7, which if you read in JABB instead of GPO should be of some help. Good luck, John

http://www.garritan.com/tutorial/GPO_Logic7_tutorial.html

[Jerry W.]

I Don't have JABB (unfortunately), but I do have GPO and Logic Pro (studio).


Here are some screenshots to help.

In order to load in AU instrument, you have to select the button underneath the I/O

http://www.jerrywickham.com/pics/01-instrument.jpg

Then you can record your track.

Now, to go back and edit what you have done, you need to select the piano roll button at the bottom (1) and then select "view" (2) and then select "Hyperdraw" in that menu (3).

http://www.jerrywickham.com/pics/02-hyperdraw.jpg

Then you need to choose which CC you want to view (and edit) In this case, I chose Modulation (which controls volume in GPO (and JABB)

http://www.jerrywickham.com/pics/02-hyperdraw2.jpg

You may also access which CC you want to view/edit by the little button to the left of the piano roll data.

http://www.jerrywickham.com/pics/03-hyperdrawaccess.jpg

That is how you can access the CC data after you have recorded. You can also "Draw" in that data with the pencil tool in case you don't want to record it using your cc controllers on your midi instrument.

Hope this helps you and GOOD LUCK!

Jerry

[whoopassgrinchy]

Jerry,

You're an absolute star. Thank you very very much and thanks for everyone's help. This is a good forum! :)

Andrew :hp:

[rbowser-]

Jerry, Andrew is right - You sure are a star. Putting together the screen shots and explanations was a very generous, helpful thing to do. Sounds like Andrew was helped out by your efforts.

I just wanted to jump back on here to remark---You're still using KP1--?! Oh my--Why don't you upgrade to KP2? Despite all the moaning and complaining, it really is a gigantic improvement over the simple little player that GPO originally came with. In fact, it's as good as things get really - The complaints are mostly due to a lack of patience with it, people not doing enough digging in with it. It's free--And until we have the even better Aria version of GPO--it'll give you a Huge leap in capabilities.

Randy

[whoopassgrinchy]

Hi Randy, Don't worry, I have KP2! :)

[rbowser-]

hehe, cool, Andrew - You're ahead of Jerry with that I guess! :)

Randy

[Jerry W.]

Hey Randy and Andrew,

It was just an illustration on how to access stuff. I used KP1 since JABB is still using it. I don't think that JABB got migrated to KP2. I don't remember it, if it did. But I have been out of touch here for a long LONG time.

I have the KP2 version of GPO. Stradivari, Gofriller, C&MB too. but for GPO I prefer KP1 as far as routing of Audio (1/2 3/4 5/6 etc go.) It is nearly non existent in any useable form in Kontakt 2. (full version or player versions). At least I have never been able to successfully get it working in KP2.

In the end, though, It's all about doing the best with what you have. I do use KP2 for the majority of my stuff, but I still use good ole' GPO version 2 for KP1 at times. I know that is one of the things that turned my onto GPO in the first place. There were real demos created by actual users that sounded better than what many users were doing with VSL at the time. Not saying that VSL is inferior, but like any sample library, you have to know how to really bring out all the stops and nuances to create truly realistic orchestral renders.

Add to that - i still prefer my old Tracktion 1.6 as a DAW to anything since - but.... limitations force me to use others like Logic and DP often.

Anyway.

I hope this helped.


Jerry

[buckshead]

JABB is definitely on KP2 and has been for quite a long time. Its a free update so get to it.

[Jerry W.]

JABB is definitely on KP2 and has been for quite a long time. Its a free update so get to it.


Yup. :) Not surprised I missed that one, since I don't have JABB, but even on the JABB page of Garritan.com it shows the KP1 version of the player, I think that is what threw me off.

Anyway. The methods for accessing the CC data and sstuff is still the same in Logic Studio.

Cheers

Jerry

[rbowser-]

Hello again, Jerry - I see buckshead has already pointed out that JABB has been on KP2 for some time now. It's slick to open up KP2 and have my entire Garritan library sitting inside of it waiting for me--AH, except for the Steinway which is in its own Aria player.

"... I prefer KP1 as far as routing of Audio (1/2 3/4 5/6 etc go.) It is nearly non existent in any useable form in Kontakt 2. (full version or player versions). At least I have never been able to successfully get it working in KP2..."

Oh! - Getting all the separate stereo audio outs you want in KP2 is very available. The default set up is limited, intended for the user to expand in the way they want, adding channels, re-directing MIDI tracks to separate outs etc. The theory behind KP2 was for it provide virtually everything needed for mixing all inside the one app - Convolution Reverb and a lot of other effects - panning, etc.

Like most people, I didn't get KP2 at first, sat here blinking at the screen - but then with some Forum searching and experimenting, soon found out that it was offering much more than KP1, including the critical separate audio outs needed for having full control over a mix inside a DAW.

Just think - we're all going to be going through another learning curve when the Garritan libraries are migrated into Aria! - Frustrating as new things can be, it almost always turns out to be worth the effort, so I say bring it on!

Randy B.

[Jerry W.]

Hello again, Jerry - I see buckshead has already pointed out that JABB has been on KP2 for some time now. It's slick to open up KP2 and have my entire Garritan library sitting inside of it waiting for me--AH, except for the Steinway which is in its own Aria player.

"... I prefer KP1 as far as routing of Audio (1/2 3/4 5/6 etc go.) It is nearly non existent in any useable form in Kontakt 2. (full version or player versions). At least I have never been able to successfully get it working in KP2..."

Oh! - Getting all the separate stereo audio outs you want in KP2 is very available. The default set up is limited, intended for the user to expand in the way they want, adding channels, re-directing MIDI tracks to separate outs etc. The theory behind KP2 was for it provide virtually everything needed for mixing all inside the one app - Convolution Reverb and a lot of other effects - panning, etc.

Like most people, I didn't get KP2 at first, sat here blinking at the screen - but then with some Forum searching and experimenting, soon found out that it was offering much more than KP1, including the critical separate audio outs needed for having full control over a mix inside a DAW.

Just think - we're all going to be going through another learning curve when the Garritan libraries are migrated into Aria! - Frustrating as new things can be, it almost always turns out to be worth the effort, so I say bring it on!

Randy B.

Thanks Randy

I am very aware of the capabilities of Kontakt 2 and its players, but I have never been successful at routing the audio properly in K2 with MY DAW of choice. But, I admit I really never have had much of a need for it, really, My workflow rarely calls for a bunch of separate audio routing, but when i have needed it, it is much easier to do in KP1.

I know it must seem I am a stranger here. as I have been rather inactive as of late here in the forum, but there was a time when I was honored to be on the beta teams for the Strad, the Gofriller, C&MB and a tad for the Steinway libraries. Much of the work in the beta phase involved issues with the Kontakt2 player. (well, not the Steinway). As such, I am pretty facile with most of the features in Kontakt 2 and the player. I am no power user, by any means, but am aware of the powerful features it possesses.

Kontakt 2 version 2 and later (and its player) crashes Tracktion - all three versions - which is probably the biggest reason I don't use it unless I am needing a library other than GPO. Which is when I also will use other DAWs.

It's all good though. Whether I use Tracktion, Logic, DP, Cubase, Garageband or even Finale, there is never a time when I CANNOT use my libraries, and still be able to create music. I love Garritan libraries. Whether in K1, K2 or Aria sample players! It's all good.

Jerry

[rbowser-]

Ah! I see, Jerry - Thanks for the details. I thought maybe you hadn't explored KP2 very much, now I see you certainly have. Interesting that it glitches out in Tracktion. I have no experience with that. KP2 has always been smooth and I'd even say seamless in Sonar, so it's been a big improvement for me.

SO many different configurations in home studios, in fact, probably as many different set ups as there are users. All unique, each with its own set of issues.

Thanks for the reply.

Randy B.