The Little bit I've been playing with LOP

[KingIdiot]

NICE!!!

I dont own UOP so I can\'t compare... but the sheer amount of samples and instrument variations is pretty damned wonderful. I really dig the Crotales and Glocks. The amount of Snare Drum Patches is enough to keep me busy for a long time....and FINALLY a snare off Snare multisample. Lots of cymbals too. The Timps sound great. Probably not as amazing as Ultimate Timp (4 velocities compaed to 16 velocities), but they are very good and very usable.

Anyhow. I like. Not sure how it compares to UOP, but I\'d think that this is quite a bit more elaborate. I\'ll post more as I start to use it in pieces. to let you know how they take to reverbs and placements.


ONE more thing. The Flash Animated Help desk/information thingy is VERY COOL.
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[This message has been edited by KingIdiot (edited 01-21-2002).]

[Haydn]

Picked up LOP at the NAMM show for the nice upgrade price!! It\'s quite awesome - the snare drums and timpani sounds blow away UOP. Donnie gave me a demo of almost the whole library. I could tell he is quite excited on how it came out! A must have for all orchestral composers.

[Simon Ravn]

Seems like I gotta have that one too... too many things I have to buy at the moment it seems - and too little money! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Donnie, is it possible to order directly from you or how do I prove that I have UOP to whoever I have to buy from?

[Damon]

Is the upgrade deal still available Donnie for those who have UOP?

[KevinH]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KingIdiot:
NICE!!!

I dont own UOP so I can\'t compare... but the sheer amount of samples and instrument variations is pretty damned wonderful. I really dig the Crotales and Glocks. The amount of Snare Drum Patches is enough to keep me busy for a long time....and FINALLY a snare off Snare multisample. Lots of cymbals too. The Timps sound great. Probably not as amazing as Ultimate Timp (4 velocities compaed to 16 velocities), but they are very good and very usable.

Anyhow. I like. Not sure how it compares to UOP, but I\'d think that this is quite a bit more elaborate. I\'ll post more as I start to use it in pieces. to let you know how they take to reverbs and placements.


ONE more thing. The Flash Animated Help desk/information thingy is VERY COOL.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

King,

Are there rolls, crescendos, and other fun articulations for the timpani and cymbal patches?\")

Thanks

Kevin

[KingIdiot]

Rolls and Crecendos galore.

Different lengths and different velocities.

I\'m REALLY happy with alot of the sounds. As I stated I dont have UOP or Ultimate Timp, but man these things sounds great. I\'m especially in love with the tuned percusion.

The Crotales are awesome and the Chimes/tybe Bells with the Xylaphone mallets sound totally cool. I\'m redy to throw a High pass on the to get jsut the weird attack and less of the fundamental for even moe added coolness.

I\'m also probably going to go nuts with FX processing just for fun. I\'m really excited about getting some time to REALLY fool with this library.

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[Doug Bircher]

Donnie, could you post a list of the instruments in LOP, the upgrade price from UOP, and where to order?

Doug Bircher

[PatS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Doug Bircher:
Donnie, could you post a list of the instruments in LOP, the upgrade price from UOP, and where to order?

Doug Bircher<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The list is fairly extensive (from what I saw at NAMM), but I\'ll try to post it tonight after I install LOP onto my system. Thank goodness you can export loaded patch lists to a text file.

Pat

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[Doug Bircher]

Thanks Pat. I\'m hoping there are some really good gongs, among other things.

Doug

[esperlad]

I got my too. There are a lot of instruments in this set.

Has anyone been able to find a celeste? I saw something like that on the back of the box, but I could not find this instrument. I wonder if it\'s a misprint.

[Haydn]

Donnie posted a list of the instruments earlier for the library. You may want to do a search.

This library gives many more options than UOP. This library is a must have!

I believe the upgrade will only be available through Big Fish Audio as you need to send them your original UOP discs to get the upgrade price. You cannot purchase from Donnie directly for this library as he now works for Big Fish Audio.

[PatS]

All this talk about the LOP instrument list forced me to go home for lunch and install LOP. The list is quite long. Some .gig files have only one instrument, while others (e.g., cymbals and timp) comprise several. The Flash file in the LOP Help Center folder provides ample description of each instrument. The file is about 2MBs and therefore not too large for online distribution. I\'d make it available online myself, but I haven\'t read the licensing agreement thoroughly to see if that action would constitute a violation of the agreement.

Pat

[donnie]

Hello everyone! I just got in from NAMM and spent the whole day at the doctors office today. Those who met me at NAMM will know what I\'m talking about! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

First I just want to say what a pleasure it was meeting some of you at the booth (Haydn, PatS, and King). It\'s really nice to put a name with a face and all three of these guys are trully first class individuals. FYI> After talking with PatS for awhile if anyone has any theory and history question he is the guy to go to!! believe ME!

About the name> London Orchestral Percussion: I admit this is a bit confusing so let me set the record straight. The use of the word \"London\" in the title is used to decribe the type of sound not an actual recording place or person (besides everyone knows that Sean and I played on it anyways). The \"London\" sound is known for having a lush and \"Hollywood\" type of sound. Since most composers want this type of sound for their scoring this is the sound we went after and thus \"London Orchestral Percussion\" was chosen...btw...not even by us. Hope that clears that up.

Regarding the upgrade. Yes, it is still availible but not quite the same deal as NAMM. The upgrade will be availible for quite awhile so don\'t feel rushed. I\'m not sure exactly what it is but you can contact Big Fish and they can give you all the info.

I\'m glad to see that the guys who have it are enjoying the help file. Sean gets all the credit for this and he did an excellent job. I think it\'s a step in a new cool direction. It will be availible online very soon on the Big Fish page and the DS Soundware page. Also, there is an extensive hard copy manual that will be shipping with the library but it wasn\'t ready for NAMM. As soon as it comes in everyone who already has the library will be sent a copy.

Finally, I\'m glad everyone is enjoying the sounds. Sean and I worked really hard on this library and a LOT of love went into it.

Donnie

[PatS]

Go to http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/Forum3/HTML/001750.html (\"http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/Forum3/HTML/001750.html\") for a link to the help file plus instructions on how to use it.

Pat

[esperlad]

I have checked the help file, and I still cannot find any information on the celeste.

[Haydn]

The library does not include a celeste that I know of. The help files nor gigs had the celeste.

[timzydee]

After looking through the online help file for LOP I was surprised to find that there still weren\'t any samples of muted snare drum. For such an extensive library, it\'s surprising to see it missing such a basic stlye of playing, especially for film scoring.

[timzydee]

Now that you mention it, I remember seeing \"off\" something somewhere in there. Now I know what it means. Thanks.

[KingIdiot]

yah the snare off Snare drum is one of the main reasons I wantedd this librfary http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif You can do some tuning to it and it still sounds ok http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif So its really usable.

The concert toms have that open Snare sound as well. These aren\'t MV type power toms but more orchestral percusion toms (which is what I\'m sure these guys were going for)

I\'m really enjoying the power in the Timp hard hits they sound REALLY good. In fact I had no idea that Timps sounded this good http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

I haven\'t been truely inspired by samples since GOS and some of the samples in here give me the same feeling. I can now understand the raving about UOP.

I need to pick up a Drum Trigger pad now. Any suggestions on good ones? I still want a set of V drums but I need to make the room for it http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif... not to mention the money!

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[esperlad]

Why is a celeste listed on the back of the package?

[donnie]

Tim,

Good news! Actually there is a muted snare drum. We just called it \"snares off\" which it is also referred to as sometimes.

Donnie

[PeterRoos]

Can anyone shed some light on price and what the relation is between LOP and UOP? Is it a completely new library, an improvement/upgrade of previously recorded materials?

The only percussion I have is from AO (not very special IMO, to put it nicely). I have been expanding my initial AO-setup step-by-step with DD stuff, GOS and some XSample coming along, so I guess my attention now needs to go to percussion. Would LOP be the current \"must-have\" library? Any other contenders (price-wise)?

I\'m a bit confused by all the insiders talk on this topic ;-)

TIA!

Peter

[Damon]

Hey Peter,

I used to use AO for percussion because it\'s all I had at the time. I never really considered ever wanting to buy an orchestral percussion library because I didn\'t think orchestral percussion made all that much difference in a demo, but I finally decided that the realism of UOP was something I needed to get my demos to sound better.
I\'m very glad I got the library because I find myself using it all the time. Not just for great timpani, snares, and cymbals but also it has a great glockenspiel and tambourines and other cool stuff.
The new LOP looks like it has more instruments and better sounding ones at that. I definitely don\'t think there are any other contenders then these 2 libraries IMHO.


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[donnie]

Peter,

I guess all this LOP/UOP stuff is confusing! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

LOP is a new product that we released with Big Fish Audio. This is the begining of what I\'m sure will be a long and succesful relationship. LOP is all new instruments and recordings and is meant as a completely seperate library to UOP. The only reason why we have an upgrade was so that we didn\'t leave current owners of UOP out in the cold.

Donnie

[PeterRoos]

thanks guys!

[Haydn]

I\'ve played with LOP library a bit now. I will still continue to use some of the instruments in UOP because they are different. For example, the med. hard timpani in UOP has a fuller sound in certain notes than the timps in LOP. LOP timp has more articulations and more attack character. I can\'t wait to try out the snares in LOP as they have more velocity levels and articulations.

[mschiff]

Donnie,

I just checked with Big Fish Audio, and they say that you must send in your UOP to upgrade. I guess that would mean that you can no longer use it. Is this correct?

-- Martin