Garritan World Instruments Library

[dsampson55]

MacMusic.org had this announcement:

http://www.macmusic.org/news/view.php/lang/en/id/7488/


I must have been snoozing when it was announced. I want this one!

dave

[raweber]

I can't wait for this one, either! The only thing that could be better for me is an Early Instruments collection. (hint, hint)...
Any wind of a release date, yet?

[Felixissimo]

The only thing that could be better for me is an Early Instruments collection. (hint, hint)...

I feel you on that one, bro ;)

[schneb]

What I previewed at NAMM looked awesome. There was, however, a lack of Celtic instruments which made me sad. I was referred, rather, to the Bela D Celtic Wind package (http://www.beladmedia.com/acw2009.htm).

[ChrisHurn]

Oh man I missed this announcement as well! This is awesome, I can't wait.

Chris

[Haydn]

Schneb,

The Bela D Media celtic instruments are wonderful. The scripting is top notch and they have samples many of the inflections that are pretty much impossible to play with single note samples. The Uillean pipes are my favorite.

Jim

[Pingu]

The Bela D Media celtic instruments are wonderful. The scripting is top notch and they have samples many of the inflections that are pretty much impossible to play with single note samples.

+1

I know we're in the wrong place, but if Gary refered you to them, then I guess he feels no competition there. The Anthology series are just fantastic. Their only flaw is that, after you buy them, you'll want to put duduk and uillean pipes in every track.

[rbowser-]

Really nice list of instruments listed for this - I'm SO glad this Garritan Library has been developed. I keep getting tempted to buy the World Instruments available for Sonar's Dimension synth--definitely have shelved that idea and now eagerly await the release of Gary's instruments.

Randy

[Jeff Turner]

What I previewed at NAMM looked awesome. There was, however, a lack of Celtic instruments which made me sad. I was referred, rather, to the Bela D Celtic Wind package (http://www.beladmedia.com/acw2009.htm).
The lack of Celtic instruments is disapointing to me also. I'm sure Bela-D package is fine, but it uses Kontakt, so it's out of the question.

I'll just wait for another option that doesn't use Kontakt.

JT

[rbowser-]

Hi, Jeff - I know you're not alone in disliking Kontakt - but "...but it uses Kontakt, so it's out of the question..." wow. ---I feel very fortunate that KP2 and dealing with NI hasn't been a problem for me.

To me it's almost invisible--load the instruments, direct the audio outs to Sonar where I do the work - The one semi-tricky thing was to understand that one needs to add more faders, and to be sure each instrument is directed to a separate out. But once those things were clear, - It's worked. Looking forward to ARIA, but I don't get the virtual Hatred for KP2 which is common.

Randy B.

[Jeff Turner]

Hi, Jeff - I know you're not alone in disliking Kontakt - but "...but it uses Kontakt, so it's out of the question..." wow. ---I feel very fortunate that KP2 and dealing with NI hasn't been a problem for me.

To me it's almost invisible--load the instruments, direct the audio outs to Sonar where I do the work - The one semi-tricky thing was to understand that one needs to add more faders, and to be sure each instrument is directed to a separate out. But once those things were clear, - It's worked. Looking forward to ARIA, but I don't get the virtual Hatred for KP2 which is common.

Randy B.
Randy,

I probably wasn't clear. If Bela-D's libraries came with a dedicated Kontakt Player, I wouldn't have a problem with them. But they require the purchase of the full version of Kontakt unless I'm mistaken. I'm not willing to buy that.

If Gary isn't going to include Celtic instruments with his library, perhaps he might consider licensing Aria to Bela-D to use. ???

Jeff

[rbowser-]

OH, I see! Thanks, Jeff - Dang! I thought anything programmed for use in the full Kontakt could also work in KP2. That's a drag.

Well, the list of instruments is out for Gary's World Instruments, and Celtic instruments aren't on that list. Maybe he could partner with Belad-D as you suggest!

Randy B.

[Garritan]

What I previewed at NAMM looked awesome. There was, however, a lack of Celtic instruments which made me sad. I was referred, rather, to the Bela D Celtic Wind package (http://www.beladmedia.com/acw2009.htm).Rick,

We did not have all the instruments loaded on Jim's machine at NAMM. Which Celtic instruments would you be particularly interested in? There is no end to world instruments and we cannot sample them all. This libary will be ever growing with more downloadable instruments. So it will be possible to add instruments.

In the meantime Bela D's instruments are fantastic and you can't go wrong with them.

Best,

Gary

[rbowser-]

Hi, Gary - Thanks for this reply. That IS a great part of the new World Instrument Library, how it will be on-going in its development, with new instruments available as time goes on. That's great - Celtic fans may get some of the instruments they're hoping for after all, at least at some point.

After the Library is released, maybe we could have a thread where people can suggest and even vote on additional instruments they'd like to see made available.

Randy

[schneb]

The Bela D Media celtic instruments are wonderful. The scripting is top notch and they have samples many of the inflections that are pretty much impossible to play with single note samples. The Uillean pipes are my favorite.


Except that they will not work with Kontakt 2 Player. I just wasted $70 with no refund because this little bit of information was buried in their FAQ*. I do not have $450 for the full Kontakt software. :(



*I had to argue for my refund, they relented, but still haven't received it.

[schneb]

We did not have all the instruments loaded on Jim's machine at NAMM. Which Celtic instruments would you be particularly interested in?

Awesome. The instruments I am interested in are...

Highland Pipes
Uilleann Pipe
Tin Whistle
Concertina

Going for that Enya sound.

[Jeff Turner]

Awesome. The instruments I am interested in are...

Highland Pipes
Uilleann Pipe
Tin Whistle
Concertina

Seconded!!

[HongKongCV]

Thirded. (grin) Definitely room for a bagpipe or three in my music...

I'd also like celtic harp, bodhran, and hammered dulcimer.

[karvasika]

Except that they will not work with Kontakt 2 Player. I just wasted $70 with no refund because this little bit of information was buried in their FAQ*. I do not have $450 for the full Kontakt software. :(

*I had to argue for my refund, they relented, but still haven't received it.

Many samplers in sequencers can import stuff - if you use for example Logic, I think the EWS (something, can't remember the name) can import some Kontakt 2 libraries. But won't promise anything of course. And I guess they would've suggested this too if it was possible... anyway, at least Ableton Live's Sample can import Kontakt libraries. But only unlocked, I don't know what's the case with this library.

[Tony Monaghan]

Awesome. The instruments I am interested in are...

Highland Pipes
Uilleann Pipe
Tin Whistle
Concertina

Going for that Enya sound.

These would be my first choices too.

[Haydn]

Schneb,

Sorry about that! I forgot that you needed the full Kontakt for the Celtic library.

Jim

[reberclark]

Highland Pipes
Uilleann Pipe
Tin Whistle
Concertina

Fourthed. Also I second the bodhran, celtic harp & hammered dulcimer.

(going for that Chieftains sound! :))

[AlanPerkins]

Speaking of Enya,

Does anyone know how to reproduce those magnificent deep sonorous bells she so often uses?

[raweber]

I've found some wonderful Bodhron soundfonts on the web. Check out Be Thou My Vision on my soundclick page (http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=478673&songID=6437565) for an example. That one is from FJMSoft, the folks who make the Awave studio sample translation software. For $5 bucks you can't go wrong.

[bigears]

Thanks Rob for the tip on the Bodhron soundfont. Do you use it directly in Sonar, or have you converted them for use in another sampler? Where do you store them to make them available to your sequencer? Thanks, John

[raweber]

Thanks Rob for the tip on the Bodhron soundfont. Do you use it directly in Sonar, or have you converted them for use in another sampler? Where do you store them to make them available to your sequencer? Thanks, John

Hi, John,

I just load them into the sfz player that came with Sonar, and use that as a VST instrument.

I have a directory where I store all my soundfonts, but since they are loaded manually into the sfz player, it doesn't matter where they are, so long as I remember where they are.

[bigears]

Thanks Rob, I hadn't used soundfonts or the player before in Sonar. I have them loaded up now and have found where they are mapped on my keyboard.
My first impression is they are sounding good, will have to work with them awhile. Thanks again for the tips. John

[raweber]

I'll tell you what, John, there are an overwhelming number of soundfonts available for free download. The best sites I've found for the "pick of the litter", as it were, are Hammersound, soundfonts.it, and homemusician.net.

There are more than you can count over at sf2midi.com, but you have to be disciplined to hit the delete key when one doesn't measure up, as many don't.

If you have Dimension Pro, you can load up soundfonts in it and then have access to all its sound shaping features. (If not, there is a free utility, sfzed (http://audio.clockbeat.com/sfZed.html), that will convert an sf2 to an sfz which WILL load into Dim Pro).

For sustaining instruments, I convert them to sfz and edit them manually to respond to breath control and am working on adding a legato feature. If interested, you can follow my exploits, triumphs and failures on my blog, referenced in my .sig line below.

Take care, Rob

[bigears]

Thanks Rob for all the info and your generosity! And thanks dsampson for the use of your thread. John

[sakari.lindhen]

Highland Pipes
Uilleann Pipe
Tin Whistle
Concertina

Fourthed. Also I second the bodhran, celtic harp & hammered dulcimer.

(going for that Chieftains sound! :))

I fifth these, and especially third the bodhrans, celtic harp (actually both steel and nylon strung folk harps would be nice), and the dulcimer....

[dsampson55]

Many samplers in sequencers can import stuff - if you use for example Logic, I think the EWS (something, can't remember the name) can import some Kontakt 2 libraries. But won't promise anything of course. And I guess they would've suggested this too if it was possible... anyway, at least Ableton Live's Sample can import Kontakt libraries. But only unlocked, I don't know what's the case with this library.

Logic 8 has the EXS24 sampler. Here's a quote from the manual:

"The EXS24 mkII ships with a library of sampler instruments in its native file format, known as the EXS format. It also allows you to import sampler instruments in the AKAI S1000 and S3000, SampleCell, Gigasampler, DLS, and SoundFont2 sample file formats. "

Later, they say:

"Importing Sampler Instruments
The EXS24 mkII is compatible with the AKAI S1000 and S3000, SampleCell, ReCycle, Gigasampler, DLS, and SoundFont2 sample formats, as well as the Vienna Library.

Importing SoundFont2, SampleCell, DLS, and Gigasampler Files

The EXS24 mkII automatically recognizes SoundFont2, SampleCell, DLS, and Gigasampler files placed inside the Sampler Instruments folder and converts them into sampler instruments."

Unless one of these are the Kontakt player format in disguise, it doesn't look like it supports it.

dave

[P.T.]

Except that they will not work with Kontakt 2 Player. I just wasted $70 with no refund because this little bit of information was buried in their FAQ*. I do not have $450 for the full Kontakt software. :(



*I had to argue for my refund, they relented, but still haven't received it.

The upgrade version for owners of the Player is much less.
Search at various online sellers.

[karvasika]

Logic 8 has the EXS24 sampler. Here's a quote from the manual:

"The EXS24 mkII ships with a library of sampler instruments in its native file format, known as the EXS format. It also allows you to import sampler instruments in the AKAI S1000 and S3000, SampleCell, Gigasampler, DLS, and SoundFont2 sample file formats. "

Later, they say:

"Importing Sampler Instruments
The EXS24 mkII is compatible with the AKAI S1000 and S3000, SampleCell, ReCycle, Gigasampler, DLS, and SoundFont2 sample formats, as well as the Vienna Library.

Importing SoundFont2, SampleCell, DLS, and Gigasampler Files

The EXS24 mkII automatically recognizes SoundFont2, SampleCell, DLS, and Gigasampler files placed inside the Sampler Instruments folder and converts them into sampler instruments."

Unless one of these are the Kontakt player format in disguise, it doesn't look like it supports it.

dave


That seems to be bad news, I guess I remembered wrong.

Like suggested in previous mail, check for the update version from the player. Maybe it can also be called CROSSGRADE somewhere. I remember buying Kontakt CROSSGRADE from Garritan Personal Orchestra. It was quite much cheaper than the full price.

[raweber]

That seems to be bad news, I guess I remembered wrong.

Like suggested in previous mail, check for the update version from the player. Maybe it can also be called CROSSGRADE somewhere. I remember buying Kontakt CROSSGRADE from Garritan Personal Orchestra. It was quite much cheaper than the full price.

$250 from Sweetwater (http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Kontakt3cg/).

[schneb]

The upgrade version for owners of the Player is much less.
Search at various online sellers.

Thanks P.T. but the whole reason for my constant petitions to Gary for ARIA was to get away from Native Instruments products. I've grown quite tired of them.

[schneb]

Definitely room for a bagpipe or three in my music.

That is what Highland Pipes are.

[fred Holmes]

My vote would be for a GOOD Hardanger fiddle, playable like the Strad.
I own many "world" sample libraries including
Celtic Instruments
Eclectic Expanded
World winds
RA
*Celtic Wind
*Spiritual Wind and

I use Kontakt 2 which imports most of these formats (gig, Kurzweil...)
While some are better than others they all lack the "playability" of Gary's approach and I'd love to see all the instruments in the new library really incorporate this advanced scripting (Mod, expression,aftertouch etc).
* These are very playable and well scripted for real time performance

OBTW has just announced a new RA PLAY version but must be used with an Ilok. I really hate to get into this kind of copyprotection. (I refuse to use any Pace stuff since problems with Autotune years ago)
Any comments on Ilock would be appreciated

Thanks,
Fred

[HongKongCV]

Yes, Schneb, I know. That's why I said it, because of the earlier suggestion for the pipes in the library.