reverbs

[TJ]

Hi

My PCM70 packed up last week and, as I don\'t have the immediate bounty to by a PCM90/91 or such until spring, I wondered what experience people were having with other less pricey units or plug-ins.

I\'ve heard good things about the following:

Waves Rennaisance
Silverspike
Roland SRV3030d
Trueverb
O-verb (off the oasys soundcard)
MPX200 or 500

Any views or experiences, particularly in relation to the gigasample libraries (EW steinway B, and vitous for instance) would be much appreciated. Also, how well do any of the above work when applied to the recording of, say, a violin.

Do any of them come close to the PCM70 (or 90/91)?.

much appreciated

Tj

[Bardstown Audio]

You should check out Altiverb, which is a MAS plug-in for Digital Performer. This is by far the very best performance hall emulation reverb available. It is equal in quality to a $10,000 Sony DRES777.

I am going to put up an MP3 demo in a couple of days, using Altiverb on one of the \"Bosendorfer Imperial\" demos. Altiverb is so amazingly real, that you truly feel as though you are sitting in a world class performance hall listening to a professional pianist playing a world class piano.

Kip
Bardstown Audio www.bardstownaudio.com (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com\")

[KingIdiot]

I still like Acoustic Mirror from Sound Forge.

Real tiem mixing with it can only be done in Vegas tho. Its an alternative in the realm of convolution (like altiverb) I personally dont have alt yet so I cant compare...but soon.

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[Beckers]

I am having good results with the Room Simulator in Samplitude (wich allowed me to ditch my hardware), but I would love to know how that compares

Martin Beckers

[Simon Ravn]

I\'ll prolly buy an UAD-1 DSP card soon. Will let you know how it fares http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

[ChrisAxia]

Hi Guys,

I\'ve got the UAD-1 card and it\'s great. For 90% of stuff, it works better than my TC M-One or Lex MPX1. I\'ve been doing an interesting project with actor Bruce Boa, most famous for his role as the American in a Fawlty Towers episode but also in movies like Empire Strikes Back and Full Metal Jacket.

Anyway, I\'m recording a book he\'s written and adding sound FX and music. I\'ve been using several Realverbs from the UAD card and they have been amazing for this project. The \'Ambience\' setting is lovely for the main dialogue, and sounds good on lead vocals for pop stuff as well. The \'Long Tube\' setting sounded great for a cave in the mountains scene, and the \'Drums in a Vat\' setting was perfect for the prison setting!

This reverb is very smooth with a great sense of realism. The halls are very nice too, but there are so many parameters to tweak, and I haven\'t had time to really experiment. For anyone working in Logic or Cubase, I highly recommend this card, but even more so for the compressors which I can\'t stop using!

Regards, chris

[Simon Ravn]

Chris!!! That is the response I have been looking for regarding the UAD-1!! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif I have Lexicon MPX1 and TC M-One too, and am looking to more or less replace them with the UAD-1 Realverb (and the new upcoming one which should be even better). Have you done anything on UAD-1 with its RV in an orchestral setting I can hear?

[Joris de Man]

I have to agree with Bardstown here; the demo I tried from Altiverb is the best reverb I\'ve ever heard next to the Sony.

The best thing about it is that they\'ve mic\'ed the spaces at different distances with different mic setups (omni and directional). So instead of your sound getting just wetter and over-reverberated when you make it really wet (as with most non convulution reverbs), you can actually perceive the distance of the sound.
For orchestral stuff, real or emulated, I don\'t think there\'s anything better out there.
BTW, since the impulse files are just raw 24 bit files, you can use the altiverb files in Sound forge\'s acoustic mirror if you convert them, and vice versa as well.
The altiverb ones do sound a lot \'cleaner\' to me than the AM ones, but this may be subjective; the altiverb ones are all 24 bit so this may contribute to that.

I\'ve hear they intend to release an RTAS and VST version later this year, although I\'m hoping they\'ll announce something at NAMM ofcourse!!

A friend of mine will be doing some comparative testing on this (differences between Sony and Altiverb, among other things), so I\'ll keep you posted once I get some results! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Cheerio,

Joris

[ChrisAxia]

Hey again Simon,

Yes, that\'s what I\'m going to do with that short GOS demo, but obviously unless I record all the individual parts as audio in my Logic PC, I can\'t adjust the reverb for each part independently. That\'s why I\'m looking forward to installing the Multiface!

Talk soon,

Regards, Chris

[ChrisAxia]

Hi Simon,

The only orchestral thing I\'ve tried with the Realverb, is on that very short GOS test I posted a few months back. Unfortunately, my UAD card is on my logic PC, not my Giga PC which has only analogue outputs to my mixer. I\'ve just received a new RME Multiface which will have an optical link to the RME Hammerfall in my Logic PC, so I can then use the Realverb on Giga stuff!

I won\'t have time for another week or so to install it, so I\'ll try to upload a version of that GOS test with the Realverb accross the whole mix (originally done with the TC M-One), and you can compare the two.

I\'ll post a link when it\'s done.

Chris

[Simon Ravn]

Chris, I will put the UAD in the machine I sequence on too. I dont understand why you say you can\'t use it now. You can record your signal dry and then use RealVerb in the sequencer? I thought that was the idea? http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

[seedmuse]

For Joris,

Is it possible to convert the IRs without having a Mac? Do you have a Mac and a PC? Could you please explain how to get the Altiverb IRs into Acoustic Mirror.

Thanks so much!

Matt Pierce

[Joris de Man]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by seedmuse:
For Joris,

Is it possible to convert the IRs without having a Mac? Do you have a Mac and a PC? Could you please explain how to get the Altiverb IRs into Acoustic Mirror.

Thanks so much!

Matt Pierce<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Matt,

I have both a Mac and a PC..the PC is for Gigastudio, but I do all my mixing and editing on a Mac.

It\'s not that difficult to do on a PC;

1) first, download the free stuffit expander from www.aladdinsys.com (\"http://www.aladdinsys.com\") for the pc
2) unstuff the impulse files you downloaded from audioease.
3) in the folder you\'ll find a number of files, named something like \'vredenburg o .L1 or something..usually there\'s 2 for a stereo file (or more); if you find L1, L2, R1,R2 then you have to mix them together (L1+L2) if I recall correctly..more about this later..
There\'s also a couple of .jpg\'s, these are just for info purposes.
4) Take your sample-editor (I did this in Soundforge) and open each impulse as a raw 24 bit 48khz mono file (signed, if I recall correctly..I\'m not at work right now so I can\'t check http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif
Check the jpg\'s for info about the impulse file; some of them are a different bit/samplerate.
5) Create a new stereo wav file at 48khz, and paste L1 (or L1+L2) to the left channel, and R1 (or R1+R2, which you precombined) to the right channel.
The impulse should sound like a reverberated spike.
6) save the the wavefile and load it as an impulse file in AC et viola! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

To my ears, Altiverb sounds better than Acoustic Mirror..I don\'t know whether its convolution is more accurate or what, but it sounds cleaner.
I hope there\'s nothing illegal going on with converting these impulse files, but since they\'re posted for free on audioease\'s site, I presume not.

Hope this helps,

Cheerio,

Joris

[clueless]

I downloaded some files from Audioease. They have a .sit extension. I don\'t believe they are stuffed/compressed. Is this correct?

clueless

[KingIdiot]

SWEET! I\'ll try this tonight

SIT is stuff the stuff it extension.

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[clueless]

This is intriguing. After expanding with stuffit expander, the files have no extensions. The expanded files are also slightly amaller than the compressed file. Any ideas as to what happened?

clueless

[JoE]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by clueless:
After expanding with stuffit expander, the files have no extensions. The expanded files are also slightly amaller than the compressed file. Any ideas as to what happened?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I\'ve just tried the Linux version of \'unstuff\' and I\'m getting the same result. Is there another step in inflating the .sit tarball maybe?

Thanks in advance,
Jens

[Joris de Man]

Bugger!!

Sorry guys, I was typing this from home, so I couldn\'t check it; but it seems you will have to have access to a mac to unstuff the files properly, since it unstuffs the installer instead of the impulse files themselves. So, you need to install the impulse files somewhere with the intaller before you can use them...
The technique itselfs works though....

Cheers,

Joe

[john g]

I was told (by Long and McQuaid here in T.O.)a few months back that the UAD-1 card was incompatible with sblive and/or gigasampler. True?

John Grant

[This message has been edited by john g (edited 01-16-2002).]

[clueless]

Because of the way my MAC is wired into my system, I cannot easily use it to unstuff the files. Is there another way?

clueless