Looking Giga Solo-Saxophone [Archive]

Bardstown Audio

01-02-2002, 12:04 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by LHong:
Thanks Bardstown Audio,
Quantum Leap Brass doesn\'t have exactly Solo-Sax-Lib instruments that we are looking for!
How is your Piano-lib? When it will be available? I might be interested! Any idea about the pricing yet? Needed piano-track demo?
Regards,
Long<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LHong,

Thank you for your interest in the Bosendorfer Imperial. I am at this moment working on several classical and jazz demos, which will be posted by this weekend on my web site.

This piano will most likely be available for sale next week, on both DVD and CD\'s.

Kip
Bardstown Audio www.bardstownaudio.com (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com\")

Scott Speed

01-02-2002, 12:06 AM

I think saxophone is one of those really hard instruments to sample well, just because there\'s such an incredibly wide variety of timbres you can get out of it. It\'s been done in a very limited sense, but I don\'t think sax players should worry about losing any sessions yet. I\'m sure some developer will prove me wrong, but I don\'t think it\'ll be any time soon. Best of luck.

Regards,
Scott

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by LHong:
Dear Giga Developer and User,
I\'m looking for the completed Solo-Saxphone Giga libararies like Alto-Sax, Tenor-Sax and Baritone-Sax.
If I rememeber correctly that someone had discussed about it before, could someone please helps to let us know \"What\'s status on this libary?\".
I have waited for year on it! I really need it for POP and JAZZ!
Any ideas? Anyone?
Thanks in advances,
Long

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KingIdiot

01-02-2002, 12:26 AM

Most people agree that the two most difficult \"traditional\" instruments to sample are Guitar and Brass (including saxes in this category). Saxes especially have alot of expression in the breathing not only the attacks. Noone has taken the time and effort to sample everything that would be needed to make a very expressive Sax library.

QLB is the best we\'ve got. Multiple dynamics and different attacks and articulations. The other available libraries dont have enough variety in the multisamples.

Can it be done? I believe so, but it will take a developer who doesn\'t think in the sense of sample gloat, but more in the realm of sound design and programming.

Nick could do an excellent job of it I\'m sure, but he has alot of projects and stuff that would eat up the time I believe that is needed to do a project like make the \"ULTIMATE\" sax library.

BTW the available guitar libraries dont come close to truely emulating a guitar...mind you this is without using/hearing QLB Strat. I have a feeling alot of stuff is covered in that library.

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Ken-P

01-02-2002, 01:05 AM

May be you should see Yamaha\'s VL products (Virtual Acoustic Instrument Technology). It\'s not based on so-called traditional PCM-Sampling technology.

I think Yamaha\'s Virtual Acoustic Instrument Technology and Roland\'s COSM (Composit Object Sound Modeling) Technology are the one of futures of Digital Music, these are still developing though.

Sorry my stupid English.

[This message has been edited by Ken-P (edited 01-02-2002).]

LHong

01-02-2002, 01:34 AM

Thanks King and Scott for the informative Sax-sample discussion. You are right, I must agree with you that NICK can handles better sax samples and we seem to need many NICK in this sample world!
Of course, there always be good improvement like we are seeing NICK-56Strat-Guitar, Scarbee-fingered-bass, Bardstown-Bosendorfer-Piano, Garritan-Orchestra-Strings and many others. So, we wish that someone please works on the improved sax-samples. Why not? Hope that we don\'t ask too much? It is meant that we need help from you developer.
Anyone?

Hans-Josef

01-02-2002, 01:55 AM

Hello,
there is an alto sax on Xsample Vol. 2 with vibrato (3 vel), staccato (2 vel.), slides, slaps and different \"saxnoises\".

Ciao,

Hans-Josef

LHong

01-02-2002, 02:09 AM

Thanks Hans-Josef,
I own the Xsample Vol2 in Akai-format, is it the same one for gigasample? Do you currently use it for giga? How do you like it?

Damon

01-02-2002, 02:35 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Scott Speed:
I think saxophone is one of those really hard instruments to sample well, just because there\'s such an incredibly wide variety of timbres you can get out of it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I totally agree there. The band I\'ve been in for the past 6 years has been through about 6 different sax players and after hearing it every night at gigs, I say the sax is by far one of the most difficult instruments to sample.
Sure a sample library can come out with a million different mouth sounds, air sounds, cluck sounds, squeels, etc. as well as sustained sounds but why not just hire a real player? You could get the job done a WHOLE lot faster.
Tweaking and adding all of the articulations of a sax over the sustained parts would take forever and it still wouldn\'t sound real.
The best bet to simulate one would probably be by using some sort of wind or breath controller, but good luck! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif
I hope I don\'t sound to pessimistic, but that\'s just my 2 cents worth on that.
From what I\'ve heard so far, Nicks is the closest sax.

[This message has been edited by Damon (edited 01-02-2002).]

LHong

01-02-2002, 03:15 AM

Thanks Damon,
We all agree with you, it is hard, yes! Well, that might be one of challenging for the Giga-developer in giga-sample programmability, skill is a technology. Let\'s say that how to sample realistic violins/violas, it never be easy! But we all know how well it was sampled in GOS library! It is meant that there must be somehow and someway? Who got the ideas?

thesoundsmith

01-02-2002, 03:07 PM

LHong-

Think sax. You\'re going to hire a real sax player for your CD. You can budget anybody you want (even those no longer with us!)

Who?

Pick from: Ben Webster, King Curtis, Charlie Parker, Dave Coz, Lester Young, Boots Randolph, John Coltrane, David Sanborn, the reborn David Sanborn, David Murray, Najee, Eric Dolphy, Zoot Sims, Clarence Clemmons, Wayne Shorter.

What do they have in common? The name of the instrument they play. Sax. That\'s about it, other than all being considered great players within their field.

The instrument admits to such unique phrasing and tonality that trying to sample the \'definitive saxophone\' is pretty much impossible. The definitive violin section, or even solo classical violn is simple by comparison, because there is a sort of quantifiable idea about what it is supposed to sound like...

OK, let\'s pick a field-\'The Ultimate Smooth Jazz Sax Sample\' is a perfect example-partially because I\'d buy it-but then I\'d buy the big-band sax, the Coltrane sax, the Sanborn (funk-era) sax, etc.! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/grin.gif

Bring in Dave Coz (example-you don\'t like it, pick your own, it\'s a free internet!)

Sample the horn how many ways? Legato phrasing, stacatto, swells, with and w/o vibrato, hard attack, soft attack, sFz, for each note at 4 velocities. Once we\'ve limited ourselves to a particular style, we can do that. (Or, at least, someone like Nick can. I\'m trying to create music, not ersatz musicians, though I\'d be happy to get involved in a project like that.)

I think the problem we\'re facing is that due to the expense and time commitment to develop a really good library, we feel like it needs to be \'all things to all people,\' which means it\'s 50% to all and 90% to none.

If we were to define the sphere of influence for a sample sax, I think it can fly, but someone needs to actually make the commitment.

Dasher

SCARBEE

01-02-2002, 04:00 PM

If I was sure there would be a market for it, then I would gladly do a sax library some day. I have been asked about this many times lately and it interest me.

One day guys...

Scarbee

thesoundsmith

01-02-2002, 11:29 PM

Thomas, if you can do a sax that played nicely with your basses, I would definitely buy it !

Dasher

LHong

01-03-2002, 01:03 AM

Thesoundsmith,
I like your ideas about the sax-sample\'s definition, it is very much to cover most of sax\'s rhythm that we are looking for like the Legato phrasing: \"Legato with Soft attack, Crying w/o Legator, Sweet Legator Manner and Legato Breathy\" as well. Thanks!

Thomas,
I think that it would be a good news for us, when you are interesting to produce the sax-sample. We\'d like to hear from you soon.

Anyone?

Hans-Josef

01-03-2002, 01:43 AM

Hello LHong,
all Xsample Volumes are in native Giga Format, so the programming is much more sophisticated than the Akai Version.

Ciao,

Hans-Josef

LHong

01-03-2002, 01:50 AM

Hans,
Only Solo-Alto-Sax is available, right?
Do you have MP3 demo?
Thanks,
Long

Hans-Josef

01-04-2002, 02:17 AM

Hello LHong,
take a look at http://www.xsample.de (\"http://www.xsample.de\")
There are many mp3-Demos of the Xsample instruments.

Ciao,

Hans-Josef

Nick Phoenix

01-07-2002, 05:47 PM

I think the plugs for X-sample products are kind of cheesy, Hans. This topic is obviously about truly versatile and realistic lead sax, which neither your or my sax samples can achieve.
I think lead sax could be done fairly well, but there is no market for it. I don\'t use too many sax samples myself and unfortunately the saxophone has become a somewhat undesired instrument in the pop, filmscore world. I really like saxes, especially the bigger ones, but I probably will not be sampling them again soon.
This would be a good project for someone who plays and truly loves the instrument. If anyone is considering this, I would gladly share some ideas. bunschel@aol.com

LHong

01-07-2002, 08:51 PM

Nick Phoenix,
Thanks for sharing your opinions, looking forward to hearing you developers, who are willing to produce the lead Saxophone libraries. Of course there would be a market for it! Since it has never been available yet, no sharing in the market places, unlike other libraries such as guitars or Pianos!
Anyone?
Best regards,
Long

[This message has been edited by LHong (edited 01-08-2002).]

thesoundsmith

01-08-2002, 09:34 AM

I have to partially agree with Nick. Hans, sorry, guy, but the alto sax demo just proves what we\'ve been saying-sax is really difficult, and I\'m not \'convinced.\' Sax requires more than a clean sample set to be playable.

OTOH, I have to disagree that there isn\'t a market (but then, I\'m not a developer, so what do I know-I don\'t get the customer feedback. I only know that I really want a playable sax, as much of my music revolves around sax, brass and electric guitars.)

R&B, smooth jazz, big band, vocal backup, rock, pop music all rely heavily on saxophone. Nick, your market (and customer base) seems to be more in the orchestral/film score arena, which does not rely on sax nearly as much, so I understand why you feel the way you do.

But GS is not just for film folks anymore, the word is out and mainstream music producers are becoming a larger market segment. I do believe there are more pop and mainstream music producers and composers and wannabees than film composers and wannabees.

Scarbee, here\'s a big window, if you\'re up for it. I\'ve listened hard to virtually every demo and in my extremely biased opinion (what I like, a poll of ONE) there are three developers who have the chops to pull this off-Nick, Gary and you. I\'m not trying to denigrate or in ay way knock the other developers, but you\'re the ones who seem to understand that performance requirements extend beyond simply recording clean samples and creating simple gig files.

And Thomas, you\'re the only one (of those three) who really seems to consider non-orchestral users at least as important to your business as the orchestrator. (Which is not in any way meant as a put-down of the rest of the development community, simply a recognition that GS as a legacy app has been adopted by the symphonic and film score community as their tool. To ignore this fact-and the existing customer base-would be poor business for Nick, Gary et al.)

So Mr. Scarbee (when all else fails, try politeness!) help those of us wandering in the wilderness, and develop a great sax library (hey, develop a USABLE sax library and we\'ll plunk down the ducats!)

Anybody else buy into this project? (When politeness fails, try peer pressure!!! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/grin.gif )

And if any other developers feel I\'ve done you a disservice, I apologize, it is not my intent. As I said earlier, my opinions are just that-opinions, and we all know THAT story!

I mean no disrespect to ANYBODY who has taken the time and enormous energy to develop a commercial library. Just because I don\'t care for something is no indication that it is in any way flawed. It just means I don\'t foresee a musical use for it.

Dasher

franz

01-08-2002, 01:37 PM

http://www.vrsound.com/GS/Alto_Demo.mp3 (\"http://www.vrsound.com/GS/Alto_Demo.mp3\")

PeterRoos

01-08-2002, 02:34 PM

Without additional info, I have a hard time figuring out if this is meant as a serious contribution (I mean, I really had to go to the website first and check some other instruments).

Maybe this is a mixup from random samples and articulation files?

Couldn\'t resist:
KingIdiot, did you \"leak\" an early beta of your FF Art library?

KingIdiot

01-08-2002, 02:52 PM

ooohhh ouch....

I still haven\'t picked up any VR sound libraries, but I\'m tempted. The demos make me VERY curious as to how the instruments are sampled. The demos themselves, might actually be hurting peoples perception of what could be some ok libraries.

On a related note, I actually borrowed a Tenor sax from a friends music store (he rents them) and I\'m about to try playing a note or two http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif Maynbe I should do a Sax sample library of me playing http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif I mean considering I haven\'t ever played one before I could come up with some unique ideas or atleast some stupid breath noises http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif MWAHAHHAA!

actually I got it saturday, but he forgot to put in a mouthpiece....but I HAVE REEDS!! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif hehheh

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franz

01-08-2002, 03:12 PM

Alto Demo:
The above demo is just something I noodled on the keyboard when I saw this. One take no sequencing. The Alto has 4 velocity layers, up down legato and 2 staccatto. It comes in various ways.
Selectable by modwheel and/or velocity.
It was sampled at Mad Hatter Studios LA. The horn was peformed by Farzin (a world music artist).
We also have a Tenor this way (no demo yet) and sorry I am such a weirdo musician but my musical background is fusion and I just can\'t get myself to play \"normal\" things. Yet I know it is possible to do so with these samples.

thesoundsmith

01-08-2002, 03:26 PM

Franz,

You are doing yourself a serious disservice if that alto is \'just a little noodling\' - my take was, \"Well, if that\'s the best it can do in the hands of the designer, then...!\" We can\'t return these if we don\'t like them, so I have to assume a demo is the best it will ever get. (I have nothing yet from Nick\'s Strat to match the quality of his Strat demo, though I can play a believable jazz/fusion guitar on my XP-80 (or even U-220.) I know that the Strat sample is capable of it, but I need the outboard processing to make it believable, and I\'m not set up for it at this time.

I REALLY, REALLY NEED A FUSION SAX!!! If you can show me the XSample alto can handle the task of creating a believably jazz/fusion/smooth jazz alto (any of the above,) I\'ll have an order to you the same day. Seriously.

If you need someone to create a demo to show what it can do, I\'d be happy to give it a shot in return for a copy of the disk. I have a whole bunch of tunes that need a smooth alto sax, and my preferred player is out of the area most of the time these days.

If you HAVE a demo that really shows what it can do, please post it and let us judge the quality in a real tune.

Dasher

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David \'Dasher\' Kempton
www.thesoundsmith.com

franz

01-08-2002, 03:34 PM

Hmm,
I have nevere heard a sampled sax create runs like this or bends. I thought it is daring to demo instrument solos. Most other demos hide evrything behind reverbs delays and such and with arrangements.
If you fax me a signed letter stating that you commit yourself to creating a demo within 2 weeks of receipt of cd and post here, I will send you the Alto.
fax 949 586 8216

franZ

KingIdiot

01-08-2002, 04:05 PM

didn\'t Dan Dean say at one point that he was considering going back and doing solo pop/jazz brass/horns? hmmm Maybe NAMM.

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franz

01-08-2002, 04:32 PM

Aaa, what the heck.. http://vrsound.com/GS/Tenor.mp3 (\"http://vrsound.com/GS/Tenor.mp3\")

more noodles.. for people who might see the possiblities.

KingIdiot

01-08-2002, 06:31 PM

Franz I have to admit that there isn\'t a library out there that has a sax with as much movement in the notes as yours, still some of the notes seems \"chopped\".

Dash is right, while you consider it daring to throw a demo of noodling, us as end listeners dont know what went into the demo. Not to mention it doesn\'t really give us an idea of the libraries strong points. In fact I DO KNOW that most of the stuff you put together isn\'t sequenced or is very dry, which is why I am still curious about your libraries. The demos actually put me off a tad. The loop at the end of the alto demo is pretty noticable solo, but in a music mix it might not be so bad.

The demos you post up always intrigue me because I know that the samples can sound better in a piece of music....but I\'m never sure how much better.

A combination of polished demos and solo basics is the best way to demo a library. Show what you get and then show what you can do if you take some time
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[This message has been edited by KingIdiot (edited 01-08-2002).]

thesoundsmith

01-09-2002, 01:11 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>
I have nevere heard a sampled sax create runs like this or bends. I thought it is daring to demo instrument solos. Most other demos hide evrything behind reverbs delays and such and with arrangements.
If you fax me a signed letter stating that you commit yourself to creating a demo within 2 weeks of receipt of cd and post here, I will send you the Alto.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fair enough, Franz. I have no problem with a nice reverb to warm up a sample, and
give it a room to live in, that\'s part of the magic. It should not, IMO, be a part of the original sample (except as part of the basic instrument body internal resonance) because it leaves that giveaway tail that leaks into the next note.

I\'ve got a couple of sequences that I stopped work on because they needed that touch of \'real\' sax I could not get through anything I had access to at the time (except a live sax...)

David \'Dasher\' Kempton
The Soundsmith

I\'ll fax you in the morning with my address and agreement to the stipulation.

Franz, If you read this earlier, apologies. I thought this was the same sax (Hans-Josef and Xsamples.) Trying to think at 2AM does not always produce my best results... http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/grin.gif

In any case, I\'m typing up the fax now...

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Jose Pereira

01-09-2002, 05:49 AM

Hi Franz
Where´s the link for those saxes? I can´t find anything related to sax in vrsounds
Thanks
Jose Pereira
PS: I purchased from you the \"Deutsche Volks-Und Tanzmusik\" whose alto sax have served very well! If those saxes are in the same nature but with more articulations I surely buy it!

franz

01-09-2002, 09:32 AM

To kingI:
no loops in the alto. chopped: that\'s how a sax ends the note. every note has note off samples.

to soundsmith: awaiting fax.
I am a purist engineer (22 years of classic and jazz, go to allmusic.com for my resume). I don\'t believe in digital reverbs only in good sounding rooms and halls.

to jose:
the vrsound saxes are very new. I just programmed them before xmas. They are a lot more extensive than Soli\'s and maybe a bit more difficult to work with because of it. but the payoff is very realistic and expressive sax tracks. Try vrsound.com again, I added afew tracks last night but no infos. If you want to purchase email me.
franz@vrsound.com

Thanks everyone for the feedback and constructive criticism!!

franZ

thesoundsmith

01-09-2002, 12:21 PM

And to those following this thread, Franz has agreed to allow me to try my hand at creating a smooth/fusion-style demo of the alto. I\'ll keep you posted on the progress, and the demo will be made available when it\'s done.

With luck, there may be some joy in SaxLand... http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/grin.gif

Dasher

LHong

01-09-2002, 03:34 PM

Franz,
Your MP3-Demo saxes are really impressive, \"Not bad at all\". I like your provided services, what we need is best available realistic lead/solo-sax. I hardly can wait, when is it available? As said earlier, \"I\'m looking for the completed Solo-Saxophone Giga libraries, such as Alto-Sax, Tenor-Sax, Soprano-Sax and Baritone-Sax.\" Are they all?
One more question, have you tested it with some General-standard MIDI used? Which could be specially tuned for sax instruments, for example? (included Pitch, modulation, velocity, expression and of course ON/OFF notes). The important key is velocity switching! Also the various articulations as well!
Summary is telling us more detail about it, what it is included, optional, pricing and delivery as well.

Thesoundsmith and others,
You have great ideas that how to evaluate the sax library. I like your attitudes! So am I! We currently own many unsatisfied solo-instrument libraries. I wish that I can help to do same, too bad that I might not be qualified unfortunately!

BTW, don\'t forget, now you are doing as tougher than a beta-tester job. We are lucky to have you (including Franz?).
Hope that you will help to provide any fairly good demos for us, it must be greatly appreciated! I\'d also like to say thanks to everyone, who has distributed greatly works to help others for finding the best solution for giga libraries that what we are all seeking for. As well as to describe how and what sample-library supposed to be. These ideas could be truly benefited to all of us, whether developers or end-users.

Please keep up the good works! Also, thanks Damon, King, Ken, Hans, Nick, Scarbee, Franz, PeterRoos, Scott, thesoundsmith, Jose, BardstownAudio and everyone one more time! Good Teamwork!

Best regards,
Long

[This message has been edited by LHong (edited 01-09-2002).]

franz

01-09-2002, 06:27 PM

Now available binaural Solo Brass:

Soprano 50MB 2 Instruments Modwheel/Velocity select
4 Layers: Legato up down, atk and stac. 1 Octave of bends assigned below the range.

Alto 500MB; 5 different instruments with modwheel/velocity selectable alternate attacks and techniques
8 Layers Legato up down, 4 velocity atks, 2 stac
1 \"Ueber\" Instrument with 8 layers velocity.
2 octaves of 4 layers of licks and techniques selectable by controller #16

Tenor 194Mb 5 Instruments Modwheel/Velocity selects alternate attacks and techniques
8 layers Legato up down, 3 atks, growls, stacs

Bari 94MB 1 Instrument
2 Layers Alternate Atacks. 1 Octave of Boogie whole step licks.

All the saxes feature note off samples room/instrument response samples. Some use natural fade out on note off selectable by modwheel (Example: for last note of melody an alternate long fade sample can be selected which includes breath sound from the player ending the note).

Soprano, Tenor and Bari perfomed by Ray Pizzi at Sony Studios LA. Alto performed by Farzin at Mad Hatter Studio LA.

Prices by request only!

eilamgross

01-11-2002, 02:06 AM

Try killer horns

PeterRoos

01-11-2002, 12:41 PM

Hello Igor,

I just checked your site, and although your page http://www.iwanroth-sax.com./text/Recording-E.htm (\"http://www.iwanroth-sax.com./text/Recording-E.htm\")
mentions \"Listen to sample\" under each record thumbnail there are no hyperlinks on or \"in\" the page (I checked the html).

Is this correct?

Regards,

Peter

IGOR

01-11-2002, 12:50 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by PeterRoos:
Hello Igor,

I just checked your site, and although your page http://www.iwanroth-sax.com./text/Recording-E.htm (\"http://www.iwanroth-sax.com./text/Recording-E.htm\")
mentions \"Listen to sample\" under each record thumbnail there are no hyperlinks on or \"in\" the page (I checked the html).

Is this correct?

Regards,

Peter<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Peter,

Yes, I guess it is. I am rigth now working on my site, so there are some links which are not working. Check back later, I will try to fix this as soon as possible, maybe even today.

Thank you for visiting the site
IGOR

IGOR

01-11-2002, 01:23 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by IGOR:
Peter,

IGOR<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Peter, I just fixed four of the links, There are still two(Saxophone recital and ROTH/SZIDON) which are not playing, simply because I did, until now, not prepare the MP3 files. I will do it as soon as possible.

Thank you for writing me about the problem. If you have some more comments about the site, they will be higly appreciated.

Thank you

IGOR

IGOR

01-11-2002, 11:37 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ken-P:
May be you should see Yamaha\'s VL products (Virtual Acoustic Instrument Technology). It\'s not based on so-called traditional PCM-Sampling technology.

I think Yamaha\'s Virtual Acoustic Instrument Technology and Roland\'s COSM (Composit Object Sound Modeling) Technology are the one of futures of Digital Music, these are still developing though.

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Hi,

I did take notice of you mentioning the Virtual Acoustic Instrument Technology in your post. I do have a Yamaha VL70, which I do use in connection with a Synthophone. The Synthophone is a real saxophone with lots of electronic build in. If someone is interested, visit http://www.synthophone.home.att.net/. (\"http://www.synthophone.home.att.net/.\") I use the Synthophone also to enter some Strings (GOS) and brass into my sequencer, but this is of topic.

I am a sax player from classical background, yes this does exist..., but I do not play anymore, but am doing mostly composing. If you want to know more about me, I do invite you to visit my site at http://www.iwanroth-sax.com. (\"http://www.iwanroth-sax.com.\") Concerning the sampling of saxophones, I do agree with people who says that it is a very difficult task, or maybe impossible. The saxophone has too many aspects. The difference between the sound of Charly Parker and the one of Johnny Hodges is almost as big as the difference between an oboe and a clarinet. Or take John Coltrane and Harry G, both on soprano, of course……..About two years ago I did consider producing Sax samples, but I gave up. On the other hand I must say with the Virtual Acoustic Instrument Technology and the synthophone, which you can play exactly like a normal sax – if you can…..- , you can obtain incredible realistic results in practically any style, especially if you know how to program the module yourself. I plan to produce a CD, using GOS in combination with the Synthophone using the Virtual Acoustic sound module. Once it is ready, I will put a demo on my site and post on this forum.

IGOR

thesoundsmith

01-12-2002, 01:31 AM

I got home from my day gig and found Franz\'s alto disk. Left immediately for my music gig, coudn\'t even install!

Just got back from the music gig and installed the alto. Initial response: Nicely recorded, but there are some tuning issues. It\'ll take a little bit to learn how to use these expressively, but I think in the end it will be like the Strat libraries, these will work very well for some concepts, and OK but not wonderful on others. There are five programs in the GIG-Alto_Ueber and Alto_Vel_Sel_1 through 4. Alto Ueber is the artifacts track, although two of the others carry artifact samples below the horn range.

The alto itself is quite expressive, this is why it will take time to learn. I do not know if you will be able to eventually just play it, like a GM patch, but I get the sense that it won\'t really work to just plug into a GM sequence. It\'s more expressive and less generic than that. (This is not a bad thing or a good thing, it\'s just an observation regarding GM files vs. sequences written around specific instruments/patches.)

One thing for sure, this is going to be fun! Thanks Franz!
Dasher