New GOS demo posted

[Damon]

For anyone interested, I posted an orchestral action piece using GOS and Miroslav brass and woodwinds. If you have some time, let me know what you think http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif
Here\'s the link:
http://damonbbradley.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/chase.mp3 (\"http://damonbbradley.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/chase.mp3\")

Damon

[Horst]

Very well written and arranged, smashing dynamics, wonderful!

To be honest the strings did not impress me as much as the percussion did (which library is it ?). The staccato carpet sounds static and lacks authenticity (slight \"scratch\" of bow is missing). The legato parts are not bad, maybe better than other sounds heard so far, but also not as revolutionary as I would have expected from what I´ve read here.

But this should not shadow the outstanding quality of this piece.

Thank you

Horst

[Damon]

Thanks for listening and the kind words Horst. It was my first shot at an orchestral piece. 28 tracks. Biggest mixdown I\'ve done yet. I wish I were classically trained, then maybe I could orchestrate the song even better.
Simon mentioned to me that he wasn\'t crazy about the staccato violin background rhythm as well, so I will try another short bowing from GOS. I used the violin mf sautille up and down bowings.
The percussion was Ultimate Percussion.



[This message has been edited by Damon (edited 11-05-2001).]

[esteven1]

very niuce! How do you get those dynamics to come out so well? I can never get mine to come out like that. I love those sudden swells and crescendos. How did you do it ? Maybe you can even post a midi excerpt of the expreesions/fades.

I can never get mine to sound like that. Help me!

[Damon]

Thanks esteven. The swells and crescendos of the strings are just the grand detaches from Gigastrings. They have a natural little swell in their attack. I don\'t think I even used expression control with them-that\'s how good and playable they are! They\'re my favorite patches on GOS.
As for the woodwinds and brass instruments, I just practice with the expression ribbon controller. I also increase note velocities when a climax is about to hit to make everything slowly sound louder and louder.
Again, thanks for listening!

[KingIdiot]

Damon I\'m having issues trying to listen to it from te tripod site. On to different computers. Dont know whatsup, butcould you possibly e-mail it to me?

ashif@musicyouneed.com

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[Damon]

No problem King. I\'ll send it on over.

[tomhartman]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Damon:
No problem King. I\'ll send it on over.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Damon,

Great writing and orchestration.

I have GOS, but haven\'t even begun to get a good handle on them all yet. I\'ve been so busy lately I\'ve had to throw them into action for jobs that have tight deadlines. I think they are the best strings I\'ve dealt with, and I\'ve dealt with them all. You certainly have given them a great showcase here.

The ostinato is a bit rough, but mainly I believe because it sounds quantized. You\'re either a great player or that\'s what I\'m hearing with that.

The mf horns sound very good....I didn\'t like the forte horns, and the woodwinds overall did not sound real at all to me. Nice percussion.

I thought the legato string lines were very good, and the bits with vibrato very convincing.

I am still having problems, even with GOS, getting convincing violin results in high registers. Though the mid and low sections can be completely convincing, the tell-tale giveaway with all libraries so far for me has been when playing a high violin section passage. No matter which library I\'ve used, it is the thing that screams \"FAKE\" to my ears more than anything else. There is a silkyness to the real thing that I can\'t find with samples. I don\'t know whether it is the lack of enough strings sampled, the hall, or what, but it seems that this is the one thing that still eludes me, though I\'m very happy with Maestro\'s legato mode, which helps.

I find myself combining sordino patches underneath to lessen the shrillness...for want of a better term...of high section playing. Not a great solution, but gets me by,

Still, thanks for your fine work up here.


[This message has been edited by tomhartman (edited 11-06-2001).]

[tomhartman]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Damon:
No problem King. I\'ll send it on over.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Damon,

Great writing and orchestration.

I have GOS, but haven\'t even begun to get a good handle on them all yet. I\'ve been so busy lately I\'ve had to throw them into action for jobs that have tight deadlines. I think they are the best strings I\'ve dealt with, and I\'ve dealt with them all. You certainly haven\'t given them a great showcase here.

The ostinato is a bit rough, but mainly I believe because it sounds quantized. You\'re either a great player or that\'s what I\'m hearing with that.

The mf horns sound very good....I didn\'t like the forte horns, and the woodwinds overall did not sound real at all to me. Nice percussion.

I thought the legato string lines were very good, and the bits with vibrato very convincing.

I am still having problems, even with GOS, getting convincing violin results in high registers. Though the mid and low sections can be completely convincing, the tell-tale giveaway with all libraries so far for me has been when playing a high violin section passage. No matter which library I\'ve used, it is the thing that screams \"FAKE\" to my ears more than anything else. There is a silkyness to the real thing that I can\'t find with samples. I don\'t know whether it is the lack of enough strings sampled, the hall, or what, but it seems that this is the one thing that still eludes me, though I\'m very happy with Maestro\'s legato mode, which helps.

I find myself combining sordino patches underneath to lessen the shrillness...for want of a better term...of high section playing. Not a great solution, but gets me by,

Still, thanks for your fine work up here.

[Horst]

tomhartman,

I fully agree with you concerning high registers of strings. The problem in the past was that higher notes were not sampled. Lower notes where streched to the max.

When I recorded a flute I had the same problem with the flute. The silkyness is for some reason very difficult to capture.

Concerning GOS I have not heard a really revolutionary demo that proves what everybody is talking about EXCEPT the ones on Garritan\'s homepage which ARE revolutionary.

I would be happy to hear just a short simple melody played legato with the violins or celli here from somebody who is neutral, has bought GOS and is happy with it.

Currently the is a significant gap between the sound quality of Garritan\'s demos and the sound quality of private demos.

Can anybody help with some simple examples ?

Thanks
Horst.

[Damon]

Thanks for listening and your reply Tom. The main bad feedback I have been getting for the most part is the \'quantized\' fast string background. The fact is I actually didn\'t quantize them, I just played them a little to close to the metronom! The problem Simon told me and I believe he\'s right is that I only did a 4 bar loop of them, so they have the same velocity notes running all the time which makes them sound \'repetitive\'. Next time I\'ll do about a 16 bar loop and use a larger selection of velocity notes so it doesn\'t sound so mechanical. I don\'t know why I\'m so stubborn when it comes to making things sound more natural. I always want to get things as tight as possible. Also, I will use a more grittier staccato or spiccato from GOS. I used the violin sautille mf up and down bowings with the bow length cut all the way to zero. All legato violins and violas were the grand detaches which I think are by far the most expressive patches on GOS. Gary told me yesterday he\'s gonna make them sustain longer to http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/cool.gif! That has always been my main wish for this great library.
As for the woodwinds, those were all from the Miroslav solo collection. Percussion from Ultimate Ochestral Percussion. Brass from Miroslav and AO.
I agree with the way string samples sound in high registers. I don\'t know why they get so thin. Probably for one reason because it\'s recorded all digital, I don\'t know. I do know that if you layer the GOS 1st violin grand detaches with the cello detaches playing the same melody 1 octave lower then the 1st violins, you will get a beautiful, thick sound. Of course this will depend on how high you play your melody with the violins(ex: Love them from The Godfather perhaps would sound nice), this will sound really thick and expressive.
Again thanks for listening and for your comments http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif.



[This message has been edited by Damon (edited 11-07-2001).]

[tomhartman]

\"I agree with the way string samples sound in high registers. I don\'t know why they get so thin. Probably for one reason because it\'s recorded all digital, I don\'t know. I do know that if you layer the GOS 1st violin grand detaches with the cello detaches playing the same melody 2 octaves lower then the 1st violins, you will get a beautiful, thick sound. Of course this will depend on how high you play your melody with the violins(ex: Love them from The Godfather perhaps would sound nice), this will sound really thick and expressive.
Again thanks for listening and for your comments .\"

Thanks for the tip Damon. I \'ll give that a try.

Keep up the good work.

[LHong]

Nice composition! We\'re just felt that it was too short...We were expecting more for the completed beautiful tango-danced feeling...
Keep up the good works,
Wish to hear more songs from you.
Regards,
Long




[This message has been edited by LHong (edited 11-09-2001).]

[MeltMe]

I like it! I especially like the compositional work!

Here\'s one...waddya think? It\'s not the GOS library, but when I get it, I\'ll see what it sounds like in the file as well! (Be nice!) http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif http://www.stonesparrow.com/BrunFull.mp3 (\"http://www.stonesparrow.com/BrunFull.mp3\")

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[Damon]

Thank you all for taking the time to listen and for your opinions and tips!

MeltMe, great compostion man! You\'ve got great orchestrational skills! How about throw some my way http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif? Nice job.

[LHong]

Wow, Like Pro Composition! Don\'t tell us you were using the Kirk-Hunter-String Library?
Enough to say,
Thanks for sharing with us,
Long

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MeltMe:
I like it! I especially like the compositional work!

Here\'s one...waddya think? It\'s not the GOS library, but when I get it, I\'ll see what it sounds like in the file as well! (Be nice!) http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif http://www.stonesparrow.com/BrunFull.mp3 (\"http://www.stonesparrow.com/BrunFull.mp3\")

[This message has been edited by MeltMe (edited 11-09-2001).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[MeltMe]

Hello LHong,

Why should I not say that I was using the KH library, eh? http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

[Simon Ravn]

MeltMe - very nice indeed, what brass are you using???

[MeltMe]

Hello Simon Ravn,

Brass is a combination of Roland, and Vitous.

Thanks for listening. ;-)

[LHong]

No, it wasn\'t meant that you shouldn\'t say what it is! My friend.
Just a guessing of KH library? Sorry, we could be wrong? Never mind!
It\'s pretty good anyway!
Best regards,
Long

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MeltMe:
Hello LHong,

Why should I not say that I was using the KH library, eh? http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Dis]

MeltMe: This is great piece and great sound! Please which K.Hunter Patch(es) are those fast \"hollywood\" sounding passages - 24VNHRDSUS, 24VN16TH, 24VNHRD or 24HRDTME?

[MeltMe]

Hello Dis,

I used 24VN16TH, 24VNHRD from the KH library. Does that help?

Melt

[ChrisAxia]

Hey Damon,

I can\'t access your file either.

Chris

[Francis Belardino]

Sorry but the site is not working for me also.

If it\'s not too much to ask could you send to me as well?

FBelamusicprod@aol.com
FBelardino@audiovisionsonline.com

Thanks

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Sound Designer
Audio Visions, LTD.
Wilmington, DE.
www.audiovisionsonline.com

[ProfessorOak]

MeltMe- that was a truly amazing composition. Inspiring even. Do you use any other strings in that piece besides KH?

Damon, I wish I could access your file.

Dale

[Damon]

I was just at the site able to download the song. Here\'s my webpage, go to the bottom and the mp3s are there. Select \"The Chase\" and it should let you download the song when it takes you to the next page. http://damonbbradley.tripod.com/damonbradley/ (\"http://damonbbradley.tripod.com/damonbradley/\")

Thanks for wanting to listen http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif
Damon

[ChrisAxia]

Hi again Damon,

Sorry, it\'s still saying that the file is not an MP3. If I right click and try to \'save target as\', it wants to save as an HTML file, not MP3.

chris

[KingIdiot]

With Tripod links, you need to click on therm so that they take you to a download page. I ahd a problem where it would always try to open the file from Damon\'s page and it wouldn\'t work. I believe it because it was trying to open the html/download page in WM player. ... damn tripod.

Damon you might want to try reuploading a zipped version of the mp3

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[Damon]

Hey Chris,
I\'d be happy to email you the demo if you\'d like.
damonbbradley@aol.com