Scarbee J-Slap Bass HALion Import

[cobra7]

Has anyone tried to import the Scarbee J-Slap Bass library into Steinberg HALion? I imported the Gigapiano and Sonic Implants Drums no problem. When I tried J-Slap, it wouldn\'t even open the folder that the .gig files are in. It just froze my machine and I had to reboot. This happened each time I attempted to import the library. By the way, I\'m importing the .gig files from my hard drive so as to avoid any file compression issues and the like.

Any ideas what HALion\'s problem with this specific library might be?

Thanks for any insight in advance.

[Munsie]

Curious, why would any Gigastudio user want to run Halion?

[cobra7]

Ah, glad you asked, Munsie.

First, I was running Gigasampler 64, not Gigastudio. Here was my full Giga experience (I\'ll try to be as brief as I can):

My initial intention was to find a product that could realistically emulate drums and bass. I was originally looking at things like the Alesis DM Pro or DM5 drum rack modules and a couple of other bass units. Then, I spoke to a \"sales consultant\" who recommended Gigasampler after hearing that I was working in a DAW environment. I checked out Gigasampler on the Nemesys web site, listened to the demos and checked out the sample libraries that were available. Very impressive on all accounts. So I ordered a copy of Gigasampler 64 and began sample library shopping. I got Gigasampler 64 rather than Gigastudio because I don\'t need more than 64 voices for doing drums and bass and I don\'t need the effects as I\'d prefer to record dry and add effects in Cubase on mixdown.

I got the software and immediately tried to work with it. Well, one thing that the sales consultant didn\'t tell me that getting this software to work along side a program like Cubase on the same computer is a real pain in the butt! I read many posts on this forum and posted several questions to which many of you nice people helped me with. Thank you to those who contributed. I acknowledge now that Giga works much better when it is installed on another machine. The sales consultant never mentioned that this would be the case, and neither did Nemesys. I really didn\'t want to spend that much on a solution that initially was budgeted at about $500 to get some drums and bass. I figured $250 for the software and another $200-$300 in samples and I\'d be rolling.

Finally, after purchasing a second sound card (I was using an M-Audio Delta66 and then added an M-Audio Audiophile 2496 dedicated to Giga), I got Cubase and Gigasampler talking. Unfortunately, I also found out that Gigasampler doesn\'t support exclusive key groups (or choke groups, as they\'re often called). I found this to be very disappointing, especially since Nemesys doesn\'t really point this out as a difference between GStudio and GSampler. What\'s more frustrating with this is that the checkbox for this feature is in GSampler, it just doesn\'t work when you play it! How lame is that! Anyway, no biggie. I figured if I got Gigasampler working smoothly with the new sound card, I\'d upgrade to Gigastudio 96 to solve the exclusive keygroup issue and get the effects and more polyphony to boot in case I ever needed it. Then, the issue described next reared its ugly head.

When I have Giga installed on my system, my computer freezes on a blue screen error on shutdown. This happens whether I was using during the session Giga or not. Just having it installed causes this issue. In case you are wondering, the system specs when I was using Giga were:

- Dell Dimension 4100 PIII 733 MHz
- 512 MB of RAM
- 10GB EIDE ATA100 boot drive
- Adaptec SCSI interface
- Two Seagate 18GB Ultra SCSI drives (one for audio and one for samples)
- Sony CD-RW drive
- ZIP 100
- M-Audio Delta66 Omni I/O package (Cubase)
- M-Audio Audiophile 2496 (Giga)
- Windows 98 (98Lite micro install)
- Cubase Producer Pac (VST/32 5.0r6 and Wavelab 3.0)
- Gigasampler 64 1.62 (tried 1.64 as well)
- Normal and widely accepted techniques for DAW system optimization were implemented

Well, this was the last straw for me. I didn\'t want to risk spending the money on GStudio 96 and then have that not work for me either. I imagine that Gigastudio would actually cause me more trouble since it\'s likely a bigger, more CPU/RAM intensive program and, therefore, would behave even less nicely sharing a system with Cubase VST.

Therefore, I\'ve sold my Audiophile 2496 card and I will be putting Gigasampler up for sale very soon as well. I\'ve purchased HALion, which integrates perfectly within Cubase and, with the exception of the J-Slap library, has imported my Giga libraries very smoothly. I am holding out hope that I will figure out how to import this library as well, though.

I have to say that for people who are using Cubase VST and don\'t want to buy another computer for their sampler, HALion is the way to go. It integrates perfectly into the Cubase environment, has sample accurate timing and imports a number of sample formats. You can run up to eight of them at a time with up to 16 instruments in each and you get up to 256 note polyphony (if your system is worthy, of course). There are other, less-expensive, VST samplers available as well (VSampler, EMU, Sampletank, etc.), but HALion is the only one that will import my Giga libraries, which is important to me.

Don\'t get me wrong, HALion has its issues as well. But it is still in the version one stage and its pretty good for a version 1 product. I, in no way, am saying that Giga is not a good product. It is revolutionary and many people are getting fantastic results with it. Most (not all) of them seem to be professionals composers who have dedicated machines to it and made it a pillar of their studio setup. I do feel that Nemesys (now TASCAM) could be more forthcoming with setting expectations for the performance of the software on systems that aren\'t dedicated to Giga. I also think that they should correct the exclusive keygroup problem in Gigasampler or let people know that this feature doesn\'t work. I\'m a home studio hobbyist and I just didn\'t want to spend the cash on another computer (neither did my wife!) and I don\'t want to spend more time tracking down problems with Giga in my system. So, I\'m cutting my losses, selling that which has not worked for me, and have bought that which hopefully will.

Sorry to go on so long, Munsie, but you asked! I\'m sure that you and many others will have a defensive retort to this saying how much of a mistake it is to go with HALion instead of Giga, but this isn\'t intended to start a flame war between these two products. I think both products are great. I\'m not a professional, at least not at this point, so whether Giga is better overall when it\'s installed on a dedicated PC is not an issue to me. I just want a sampler that will provided reasonable power and integrate well into my VST system at an inexpensive price. I feel that HALion will do that better than Giga will for me.

That\'s the reason, Munsie. Now, does anyone have any tips on importing this Scarbee J-Slap library into HALion? Someone on the Cubase forum suggested putting each .gig file in it\'s own directory to figure out which one might be causing the problem. Gonna go try this now. Any tips would really be helpful. I\'d hate to have wasted $150 on this library and not be able to use it. It\'s an awesome library, as are many of the Giga libraries!

[cobra7]

Yes, I was able to successfully import the Gigapiano. No problems. I\'ve heard some people say that importing Gigapiano takes them hours (I think this was mostly Mac users). My system did it in under 10 minutes.

Also, I just learned that ChickenSys intends to put out a Giga->HALion convertor as part of their Translator product. This will hopefully be more robust and complete than the HALion Giga import. No release date has been set for this yet, according to ChickenSys support.

[LHong]

Thanks. So, how HALion sounds on the gigapiano compared to gigastudio? Which one is better? what kind of polyphony can be reached on the HALion? 240 is possible for 1Ghz@1Gb system?
BTW, though you don\'t own the Gigastudio160, right?


[This message has been edited by LHong (edited 10-08-2001).]

[Munsie]

Hi,

Ah, ok, I recall your other post about not being able to get Giga up and running. I am not a professional composer, I do pop/rock and even a little drum and bass myself. I use Giga for 95% of my instruments.

For what it\'s worth, a sound card like the Aardvark LX 6 and a fresh install of \"Windows 98 2nd Edition\" probably would have fixed your Giga problems.

Halion does indeed sound interesting, but it won\'t be too exciting until they release a stand alone version with more poly.

And yes, that whole Gigasampler problem with the choking would have burned me out pretty quickly as well. Too bad....

[LHong]

Just other question, you just don\'t like giga program but you really wanted the giga-sample library, right? Don\'t you think the Giga sample would sounds better on the giga-studio-station program?

[cobra7]

Yeah, I had just hit my wall, Munsie. I actually got it up and running just fine after I got the second sound card. It was great...then the blue screen of death shutdown problem started. Once I uninstalled Giga, this went away. That was it for me.

I did fresh installs of Windows 98se and all of my software several times and the problem persisted. No help from Nemesys/TASCAM.

I don\'t know if you\'ll see a standalone version of HALion. It\'s entirely a VSTi thing at this time. I\'ve read several posts from people who are running it on separate computers using Cubasis VST or Cubase VST as a host program for it. So far as poly goes, it\'ll do up to 256 voices, system resources permitting, which is more than Giga160, and you can run up to 8 HALion instances in Cubase VST, each with up to 16 instruments and 256 voices, theoretically, again system resources permitting. So I don\'t know how much poly you\'re looking for, but...

Yeah, I wish Giga had worked for me, but enough\'s enough. HALion is custom taylored for Cubase anyway, so I\'m happier this way (except for having spent the money on Giga).

Thanks.

[Z6]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Munsie:
[B]Hi,


For what it\'s worth, a sound card like the Aardvark LX 6 and a fresh install of \"Windows 98 2nd Edition\" probably would have fixed your Giga problems.

B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I use the Audiophile 2496 on a single system (with a separate hard drive). I haven\'t had a single crash and I get 160 voices, no pops, no problems (I use Win 98SE, 768MB RAM, , ATHLON 900, ASUS VIA KT-133). I don\'t think the sound card or the fact that it\'s on a single system is the problem. I suspect it\'s simply getting it to work with sequencing software.

I also run all of my other stuff on the same computer: DSL and a stack of programs (but no sequencer).


Just thought I\'d mention it in case anyone is looking at the audiophile. It works for me.

[cobra7]

To be honest, LHong, I think HALion sounds great! And it supports alot of different sample formats. It\'s capable of high polyphony and I can run mutiple instances of HALion in Cubase. I personally think the HALion editor is MUCH easier to use than Giga\'s as well. So I don\'t feel like I\'m losing anything by switching from Giga to HALion. I feel like I am gaining a great deal of integration with Cubase, which is what I really like about HALion.

[cobra7]

Yes, Z6, the Audiophile is a great card for Giga. I think my problems were more related to Giga living with Cubase in the same house. They just don\'t wanna share stuff nicely. It had nothing to do with the Audiophile 2496 card.

I highly recommend all of the M-Audio cards.

[LHong]

How about to import the Gigapiano into HALion, which is shipped along with GigaStudio. Does it work?
If not, there might be in-compatible format sample issue!



[This message has been edited by LHong (edited 10-08-2001).]

[chickensys]

Just to clarify on any Giga->HALion translations; although we never say never, any Giga->HALion conversion is difficult for us to do at the moment, as the free convertor seems to be respectable - if there\'s any issues, it\'s relatively easy to tweak minor things if there\'s anything wrong.
Such a project would delay other things.

We were and are taking input - we want to be informed. We have heard issues here and there, but actually on the most part, when we look at it more fully, everyone seems to be satisfied with the free one. We\'ve run several tests, and I was impressed.

With respect for cobra7, I do remember being more gratitious than I should have been with someone on the phone today about the possibility of something being done, and I think that\'s where he got that info. I heard a number of complaints about the Scarbee file, and I said something off the cuff that was interpreted as more than it should have. (Boy, do things get around!)

It\'s our intention to make every possible translation available, but it\'s when and to what degree that is the issue.

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Garth Hjelte
Chicken Systems Customer Support
Home of \"Translator\"

[chickensys]

Just noticed - cobra7, you said you had an e-mail from Chicken Systems saying this? Can you forward that back to me at support@chickensys.com - I don\'t remember writing anything of that sort, and neither does Jeff. I checked through the e-mails, and can\'t find a thing.

When it comes to translation status, we never say anything that the web site doesn\'t say. That\'s been our policy forever.


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Garth Hjelte
Chicken Systems Customer Support
Home of \"Translator\"

[chickensys]

Never mind, I found it. This was from Jeff; I\'ll talking to him tomorrow.

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Garth Hjelte
Chicken Systems Customer Support
Home of \"Translator\"

[Munsie]

\"Just noticed - cobra7, you said you had an e-mail from Chicken Systems saying this? Can you forward that back to me at support@chickensys.com - I don\'t remember writing anything of that sort, and neither does Jeff....\"

\"When it comes to translation status, we never say anything that the web site doesn\'t say. That\'s been our policy forever.\"

\"Never mind, I found it. This was from Jeff; I\'ll talking to him tomorrow.\"

You gotta love these public forums.... http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

[cobra7]

No problem, Scarbee. I understand that you are in a contract situation with Nemesys/TASCAM and that you can\'t support everyone who wants to import your library into the newest fangled sampler.

It\'s a shame though. I wouldn\'t care so much if the library wasn\'t so damn good. I wanna buy J-Fingered and import that to HALion, too, so I can use them together! I gotta figure this out.

Sorry for the bad info on the ChickenSys converter. It seems that they just slipped a little with their info. No biggie except for me getting a little over-excited in thinking my Giga->HALion import problem would be solved!

[donnie]

Having libraries availible in only one format is not providing a good service to the end user.

Giga is the only format that has not welcomed a translator from giga to anything else. Of course it\'s ok for giga to import akai though who has worked for decades to build a user base.

Plain and simple theres just NO arguement to keep things only in one format. Let me ask you guys a question. What developer, who makes his/her living from sound developing, would ever want the restriction of their library only being in ONE format? Answer; No one!!

Who cares which format is better or who has the most polyphony or filters. Thats not for the sample developers OR sample makers to decide.

Donnie

[LHong]

Well, it could be a bug in the HALion imported-Giga programming, nothing to do with SCarbee J-Clap Bass sample-library, neither to do with Nemesy/Tascam at all.

All of compatible features in entire giga libary must be detected on the importer or translator, otherwise the result is going to hell!
When the giga-sample library is working fine with gigastation program, which is on purpose, it is clearly meant to meet the Giga required-specification! Why the Importers or/and the translators don\'t work? Who is made the giga-sample? Giga or HALion? So, you better check with HALion developer support, Why Nememsy/Tascam wanted to support HALion issues?

[cobra7]

Well, LHong, I don\'t think anyone is blaming Nemesys/TASCAM or Scarbee for the Steinberg\'s Giga->HALion import troubles. The Giga format is what it is and, your right, it\'s up to the company writing the conversion tool to make it work correctly.

I think what Donnie is saying is that it doesn\'t make sense for sample makers to be restricted to only one format, much like it seems that Scarbee is in his contract to develop his bass libraries for Nemesys/TASCAM. All this does is pigeon hole end users and limits the sales potential for the sample developer. I\'m sure that the pigeon holing end users is intentional to promote the use of the sampler product, but it stinks. I agree with Donnie\'s view here, but at the same time, I can\'t use my Alesis Q-Cards in a Yamaha or Roland synth. So this is nothing new in the World of sample/patch development.

Yes, the problem with the Scarbee J-Slap import is likely with HALion\'s Giga import. HALion\'s Giga import does not currently read all of the Giga parameters and it also seems to have trouble with compressed files and libraries that span more than one CD-ROM. Hopefully a future version will address these items. No one is blaming Scarbee or Nemesys and no one is asking Nemesys to provide support on this issue. Indeed, why would they provide support for a HALion issue? I was simply asking if anyone out on this forum had success in importing this library to see if I was doing something wrong. I then spoke to the good people at Rubber Chicken Systems, makers of the popular sample convertor Translator, to see if they might be offering a more robust Giga->HALion conversion that might solve my troubles. See what trouble people will go through when you make a really good library, Scarbee! :-)

I think the only Giga libraries that are \"Giga only\" are those that are distributed by Nemesys/TASCAM. Apparently, this is the situation that the Scarbee libraries are in. Other Giga libraries distributed by third parties like Big Fish Audio and Q-Up Arts are usually available in multiple formats like AKAI, WAV, EMU, etc.

[wazoo]

Cobra7 - I have seen you all over the Cubase forum. You will probably get better service from Steinberg forums on Steinberg related problems than up here.

Anyway - I unfortunately also tried Halion for Cubase integration, but I wish I hadn\'t.

The Halion v1.1 and Giga import is very far away from being ready to meet the needs of real, playng musicians. Sure, you can read in the GigaPiano, but with Halion a.) it is reduced to Mono, b.) The velocity and filter programming is messed up beyond repair, c.) The pedal down samples don\'t work and has wierd phasing problems, d.) the feel is terrible, e.) I get less than 16 reliable voices (on the same machine that GigaStudio gives 90) f.) The note masking voice allocation is amateur at best (play a loud note with pedal down followed by a soft one -the Halion stupid voice allocation cuts off the first note - adding to the (growing list)of problems rendering Halion useless for musicians who play keyboard instruments. g.)sounds very low-fi - perhaps due to other instrument parameters which do not translate correctly.

I can\'t imagine any serious sample library creator wanting their work completely decimated by such over-hyped garbage as Halion and it\'s converters. This is like a bad dream for all those users (most of them) who are not comparing the results side by side and don\'t know any better. \"Oh, so I guess this is what Dan Dean sounds like...\"

Before moving onto more advanced libraries, Steinberg has got a lot of basics to cover first. That is, unless you are not a keyboard playing musician.

Since you are all over the Cubase forum, perhaps your queries will fall on deaf ears there(as Halion users share alike..He..He)and you will get an answer to your Halion problems. There are few deaf ears up here on the GigaStudio forums, as recent listening challanges have shown.


[This message has been edited by wazoo (edited 10-11-2001).]

[SCARBEE]

Sorry for not attending this discussion about Halion and Scarbee J-Slap. As I have a contract with TASCAM doing libraries exclusively for GigaSampler and GigaStudio I can not help you in any way. Though my libraries would probably sell more if they could be imported in Halion, this would damage the Giga Platform and I don\'t want to see this happen. In my opinion the future looks good for Giga-products and TASCAM are quite \"on the beat\".

Still as a user i understand your efforts. Just can\'t give you any ideas.

Scarbee

[Munsie]

\"As I have a contract with TASCAM doing libraries exclusively for GigaSampler and GigaStudio I can not help you in any way.\"

I agree with Donnie, there is no reason for any developer to restrict their work to one format. Sure I can see a 6 month exclusive, or similar hold period. I assume no developer will get rich selling any one library to the Giga market, the market can\'t possibly be that big yet. Hmm, then again, if 1000 users purchase that new GOS string library at $900.00 a pop.... http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

[SCARBEE]

Hi Munsie,

You seem to overlook something:

The Scarbee Libraries are released and distributed by TASCAM. These CD\'s are TASCAM products. TASCAM now owns GigaStudio and it would be insane if they released in other formats.

The reason why I decided to make libraries exclusively is because I wanted to support the best sampler in the world and one of the ways for me to do this was creating libraries that only Gigasampler could use. This way I would contribute to the survival of a great platform.

Scarbee

[cobra7]

Actually, wazoo, I\'ve gotten more response to this problem on this forum than I have on the Cubase forums, including responses from the sample maker himself (SCARBEE), although it seems his hands are tied on this.

I figured that since this topic pertains not only to HALion, but also to Giga libraries, the Giga Library forum might be a logical place to solicit some discussion as well, since not all Giga library users are necessarily Gigasampler/Gigastudio users anymore (sorry TASCAM), just as not all AKAI library users are necessarily AKAI sampler users.

I agree that the HALion Giga import is not mature and that it needs to be fixed. This is why I have been speaking with Rubber Chicken System (Translator) to urge them to come out with a more robust Giga->HALion conversion tool. I can only hope that others have approached them as well. We\'ll see what happens with this.

I also agree that HALion may have it\'s issues aside from the Giga import. So does Gigasampler. The stacked notes issue you mentioned is a big one and there have been many posts on the Cubase VSTi forum about it. Hopefully these issues will be overcome in a future version in the near future. So far as the other issues you raised involving the Giga import, I would hate to pass judgement on HALion based just on it\'s Giga import feature. I think it has many merits otherwise. Some of the Giga features you mentioned as not being imported correctly can be remedied by diving into the HALion editor.

As I\'ve said before, I like Giga and I like HALion. Giga just didn\'t play nicely in my system and I was not interested in buying another system to dedicate to it. HALion offered Cubase integration that was of interest to me and the \"possibility\" of importing the Giga libraries that I already own. Luckily there weren\'t to many of these and J-Slap was the only one that has failed so far. I haven\'t played with the GigaPiano in HALion too much yet, but I do understand that I will need to edit some parameters to get it working correctly.

I think calling HALion \"garbage\" is a bit strong and a bit unfair. HALion has some great features. The stacked notes issue is unfortunate, but hopefully Steinberg has their ears open and will fix this. Gigasampler caused my system to crash with blue screens every time I shut my computer down. It also pretends to support exclusive keygroups, but it doesn\'t unless you upgrade to Gigastudio. Given these issues, i still don\'t consider it garbage. Everything has it strengths and weaknesses. Only time will tell if the developers of these products will overcome the weaknesses.

[This message has been edited by cobra7 (edited 10-11-2001).]

[SCARBEE]

Perhaps later today or tomorrow I will upload an free J-Slap update 2.0.
(note: This is NOT the \"J2 Expansion Pack 1\" which will come in a few weeks and is a seperate gig that can work with both J-Slap and J-Fingered - the Stanley Clarke samples...)

What I am thinking is: If a only Halion owner buy a Giga-library, how will he be able to use the updates? He won\'t - unless he already owns Gigasampler. So here is a limit too.

I am sorry to hear that some people can\'t make their Giga-setup work, cos we are many out there with perfect working systems. For a year I was running Logic Audio and GigaStudio together with no problems. Now I have a seperate PC for Giga.

Most musicians have several synths, drum-machines, guitars of different brands. With the low prize of both GigaStudio and Halion I see no reason why you shouldn\'t have both and use these for different purposes. So I don\'t think we need to have a Giga versus Halion discussion - it doesn\'t have to be a \"one or the other\" but maybe both.

Scarbee

[This message has been edited by SCARBEE (edited 10-11-2001).]

[cobra7]

Agreed, Scarbee. There really is no reason for the \"this product vs. that product\" wars that seem to happen so often on forums. Use whatever makes you happy and works best for you. To say that Giga is the only thing and everything else sucks is ridiculous. I own both Giga and HALion now and I will still try to get Giga working on my machine as I have time to work on it. Both products are great in their own respect.

It is unfortunate, however, that it does seem that for some Giga libraries, the user would need to own a copy of Gigasampler in order to prepare the .gig files for import into HALion. This is another area where the HALion Giga import needs to be made more robust so that it can handle all types of Giga libraries.

[dandean]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SCARBEE:
Hi Munsie,

You seem to overlook something:

The Scarbee Libraries are released and distributed by TASCAM. These CD\'s are TASCAM products. TASCAM now owns GigaStudio and it would be insane if they released in other formats.


<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don\'t you still own the copyrights on all of the sound samples?

DD

[RobertKooijman]

Sorry friends, but I can\'t see the logic of NOT releasing Scarbee\'s samples in a format that can be imported into Halion.

For non American markets at least I see a great potential left un-used. Does the Tascam-only deal not severely limit overall use and therefore sales?

I would be more then happy to purchase and thus pay for this library, but REFUSE to spent ANY money on for me redundant software like Gigasampler just because of politics!

By the way, I purchased several other giga libraries that work wonderful in Halion...

Greetings from India, Robert

[SCARBEE]

Hi Robert
Does the Tascam-only deal not severely limit overall use and therefore sales?

Sure. But think about this:

If Korg created a new synth with cool presets made by a mucician would they instantly make a sound-expansion to other synth-brands like Yamaha that would enable them to have exactly the same sound? They would sell many cards I bet, but would they sell any new synths?

PS. You seem to dislike Giga a lot - why do you post on this forum then? Just curious..

Scarbee


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Visit www.scarbee.com (\"http://www.scarbee.com\") and check out the demoes from The Scarbee Bass Libraries:)

[cobra7]

Scarbee:

Yes, your point with synth manufacturers not making sound cards that work with other synths is a good metaphor in regard to the situation with sample CDs (see my post above which gives a similar example of the Alesis Q-cards).

In regard to your question of why people post to this forum who are not Giga users, the answer is that this forum is the \"Giga Sample Library\" forum. Therefore, the people who post here may be users of Giga libraries but not necessarily Gigasampler/Gigastudio users. Right now the number of these types of users may be small, since I believe that HALion may be the only product capable of importing Giga libraries at this point, except for some of the sample conversion tools that might convert Giga->WAV or similar. However, as Giga library conversion increases (hopefully as the number of disk-streaming sampler products on the market increases), I imagine that the number of non-Gigasampler users on this forum will likewise increase. While some of us may not prefer Gigasampler, the Giga libraries (like J-Slap) are still second to none!

[SCARBEE]

Hi cobra7:

Thanks for your nice comments. Personally I wish that as many as possible should be able to use my libraries - it would enable me to create more stuff. But as things are I have no way to support any other format. Sorry.

I must pray that the Giga-products eventually will appeal to more. I am quite sure that TASCAM wants this too. Please remember that Mike McRoberts from TASCAM was one of key-guys behind the AKAI samplers - the most popular standard ever! He knows what it takes to create a sampler that rocks.

cheers

Thomas

[RobertKooijman]

Hi Scarbee, Cobra7,

Indeed, as this forum is called \"sample libraries discussions\", it holds value for non-Giga users as well. This even more so since it\'s frequently visited by the cream of the cream of sample library producers.

As long as Tascam doesn\'t restrict non-Giga users from participating, this forum will probably see it\'s user base increasing faster then it would otherwise.

Nemesys/Tascam has stubbornly choosen not to support the VST standard. This is for many a good reason for using Halion only, as it makes life so much easier.

By the way: what makes some here think that Nemesys/Tascam knows most about diskstreaming and or sampling? You\'re not saying that Ford understands cars best just because they arguably were the first? Even though stepping in later, a BMW not only looks more sexy, it\'s also more fun to drive;-)

Cheers, Robert

[ryounger]

I don\'t know about BMW, but a \'68 mustang convertible is pretty fun to drive.

I just couldn\'t resist.


Akai has been around for years, because of that They have thousands of sample cd\'s that have been produced and I know that Gigastudio can breathe new life into those libraries. Sample libraries cost a lot of money. The more applications that we can use them, the better.

Later
Russ