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Bruce A. Richardson
09-25-2001, 01:30 PM
In response to a thread started by Michiel Post, I would like to contribute a list of libraries I have recent experience using, and offer some quick feedback. This may be very helpful to a number of users. I have also published several in-depth reviews of libraries at ProRec.COM, and have a new series coming there which focuses on how to approach commercial projects with some of the great new libraries available. These are listed in no particular order:

BIGGA GIGGAS: Look to any of these libraries for GOOD price to performance value. Don\'t overlook titles like the DX-11, Prophet V, etc. While it may seem redundant in a day of amazing soft-synths, you can\'t usually run soft synths while running Giga on the same machine. Also, the \"synth\" libraries are amazingly useful to bolster sampled strings, etc. More than you\'d think--way more than you\'d think. They have extreme dynamic range, you can sneak them up under the sampled sections, and \"push\" the expression forward. Michiel Post has some nice libraries on this label, the Post Organ Toolkit is a favorite of mine. Danny Lux\'s Acoustic Essentials and Harmonica Essentials are PRIMO for commercial music producers. The Sunes L-100 is a nice Hammond, again, with B4 it seems redundant at first glance, but you won\'t have very good luck running B4 and Giga on the same machine. The L-100 is very warmly recorded and it has a fantastic \"backwall\" imaging--in this way, it is actually the superior choice to B4 for some settings. You can definitely read the location of the Leslies on the soundstage, while B4 tends to push up in front of the speakers.

VRSound GIGA MODULE--This is a little bit of everything for sampled rhythm section. FUNKY FUNKY FUNKY, and a good deal. Excellent Rhodes samples off a suitcase amp...classic. Good drums, good basses, some good synth sounds, overall, just a nice tight collection of very useful stuff which serves well against just about anything. Even the pianos, which are very small and limited sample sets, are excellent in many settings. Kudos that you can load the same piano from player, singer, or room perspective.

METAMORPHOSIS--This is a tremendous value library. Three different ways of accessing the same loop/groove data exist, bearing three different kinds of fruit.

RARE INSTRUMENTS--Killer. Must Have. Everything is sampled in a highly playable and usable way, with loads of articulations and licks that are easy to integrate in realtime. Great for evoking moods, mystical sounds. Killer hurdy-gurdy, that evokes green haired clowns grinding children into sausages. The Taiko Earthquake makes a great high-impact orchestral instrument. Nick--I\'ll have you know that I was banging away on those Taiko drums and one of my JBL 4412s shook itself off the wall and crashed to the studio floor. Amazingly, only a couple of dents and the speaker survived. Does this give people a picture of the amount of bass and power these things have??

GARRITAN ORCHESTRAL STRINGS--Ditto, Killer, Must Have. I am only now coming to grips. The Legato/Maestro Tools implementation is the best solution to date, no more slurpy lines. This should be standard practice, orchestral developers pay attention!! There is no doubt that this is the definitive section strings library, and one which will serve as a benchmark for orchestral libraries to come. A perfect example of exploiting all the tools Giga has to offer, and inventing a few that Nemesys has been a little slow to provide. I love the recording quality. You can make things happen with this one. I have, no kidding, seen a client of mine cry when she heard what this library did for a piece of hers. Her arms had goose-bumps.

DAN DEAN WOODWINDS, BRASS, SOLO STRINGS, BASS--All First Rate. All must-have. All highly malleable, well mic\'ed and produced, and all played well by musicians of national and international renown...including Mr. Dean himself, whose musical collaborators list like a who\'s who. I don\'t want to repeat myself too much, just know these are standard bearers all the way around. You don\'t have to \"play to\" these samples, they\'ll play to you. VERY important.

DONNIE & SEAN\'S CALFSKIN TIMPS, MARIMBA, VIBES--Wonderfully expressive, best of class as always from these guys. The Vibes and Marimba cross over to jazz and commercial beautifully. Amazing bass on the Marimba, great in your face dynamics. The calfskin-headed Hinger timps are warm at piano, and full bodied at fortissimo with the unique blend of warmth and edge that calfskin heads provide. Lots of power here, and lots of choices from intimate to back of hall, depending on how you mix and EQ them.

BARDSTOWN AUDIO CLASSIC ACCORDIONS, VINTAGE ARCHTOP GUITAR and TENOR BANJO--Both of these collections are gorgeous. The Accordions are recorded to perfection, and are absolutely first rate instruments. The archtop guitar and tenor banjo collection are dead-on. Great stuff. The release triggers on the guitar/banjo samples put the perfect amount of funk between notes for realism. These instruments also map very well to different performance situations. Mapping breath control to attenuation on the accordions, for instance, or some pitch bend to the \"pickup\" version of the guitars for excellent whammy bar emulation.

MATT RAGAN STEEL STRING GUITAR--Great sampling of classic Martin. Excellent layers, excellent variation and many fine approaches to the guitar. FUN to play, with great performance-oriented articulations that put a lot of different stuff at your fingertips. It is a first rate job of recording and mapping. As with the Bardstown guitar, the release samples really give the sound some life and intention. Somebody needs to do a really nice nylon instrument with this much detail.

MALMSJO PIANO--Gorgeous, mellow tone...sweet, haunting. It is a great choice for so many things. Perhaps the most pleasing \"vibe\" of any piano library out. The imaging of this instrument is wonderfully intimate, yet you don\'t get the \"inside the lid\" perspective that absolutely plagues some other libraries. It\'s a smaller, older instrument, so you won\'t get the typical edge or boom of a huge concert Steinway. In many cases, though, huge pianos don\'t work, and it\'s nice to see such a wonderful job done on a more compact instrument.

TRACHTMAN-C--Take a look at the amazing detail of this mapping, and how these samples all work together so cohesively. This piano is a first choice on many different kinds of material, and is one of the best price to performance ratios you\'ll find. Clear tone, player perspective, GREAT feel on the keys. Maybe the best layer transitions of any sampled piano to date. Warren\'s attention to detail is evident to anyone who opens this one in the editor--this baby is TWEAKED. Download the release samples for the full-ride. They add an abundance of personality.

TOTAL PIANO--Buy this one for the EXCELLENT prepared piano and piano effects instruments. We\'re talking spinning wire brushes attacking strings, screws between strings, tack pianos, etc. GOOD stuff...most of it is mapped tonally so you can do melody-esque approaches. Strums, squeaks, shrieks, you name it, you\'ll find it.

HOLLYWOOD EDGE SOUND EFFECTS--the best I have ever used, period, bar none. The recording quality is amazing, and the potential for musical uses of these sounds is beyond imagination. Don\'t discount the value of \"musique concrete\" as a valid compositional tool...you\'d be amazed at the number of melodic ideas that can be hatched from the \"sounds of our world.\" These are WAVE files, but made for Giga. I wrote about this in Keyboard Magazine, so I won\'t repeat it here. You can search for key words, and the files just pop up on the screen.

VOCAL PLANET, SYMPHONY OF VOICES--If you can\'t make LOTS OF CASH using these libraries, you\'d better consider holding on to that day job. There are vocals here for every imaginable purpose, and the amount of material is simply staggering. I cannot begin to list all of it, but there are vocal effects like full choirs moaning or whispering, people laughing, applause, chatter, hundreds of individual blues licks, classical runs, clusters, pop stacks, doo-wop. Even if you use all of it \"straight\" there is enough here for a lifetime of use. If you \"break rules\" with it, the uses are limitless.

JIM CORRIGAN\'S NASHVILLE HIGH-STRUNG GUITARS--If you don\'t know what a High-Strung guitar is, you have likely heard it thousands of times. These are dual tracked guitars, played with altered tunings, strummed. Much like Acoustic Essentials in that you play alternating strums between octaves and change chord classes with your key-switches. These are the driving force behind the \"Nashville\" rhythm-section sound, and these samples are AMAZING for any sort of pop-use. A little-known, but VERY useful library.

PURRRFECT DRUMS--Should I even have to say anything? Imagine the best drums you can find, recorded in the best room you can find, with the best mics you can find. Now imagine them sampled in such detail you will likely need to buy a new hard drive just to load them. Now imagine spending less for them than you would spend buying a nice meal for four in a good restaurant. The snares are nowhere near as bad as rumored. They may not be the snare you want, snares are like pianos. Everybody knows what they like, no two people agree on what that is. Frankly, I do not hear evidence that people are mapping this drum library to multi-zone drum controllers and using it as designed. You can play this on a keyboard, but really, you are missing the true value if you do. Map these samples to a high-end pad set/controller, and you\'ll be properly amazed, I guarantee it.

SCARBEE J-SLAP--If you want to do the Marcus Miller routine, here is your monkey. Thump, Slap, Snap, all that stuff. The Mod Wheel mapping takes a little practice to nail, but once you\'ve found the sweet spots, you can have some good fun. I have had a good time with this, using my KX-5 controller to get \"in the mood.\" Worth a serious look if you\'re doing the \"smooth jazz\" thing (whatever that means).

Hopefully, other people can post some personal appraisals of library materials they\'ve used in their work. While these are only my opinions, certain things are facts. Most important: Each and every library I have listed here is a money-maker. If I cannot quickly play and construct commercial broadcast-quality music using a given library, it is of no use to me whatsoever. Every library I\'ve listed here passes the test. You can make your money back and profit. Obviously, the talent and ability to get composing gigs are up to the end user, but all of these libraries will make music (and money) for any level of commercial job.



[This message has been edited by Bruce A. Richardson (edited 09-25-2001).]

Z6
09-25-2001, 01:37 PM
Fantastic post Bruce. I\'m researching right now and your post is a great help.

Many thanks.

SCARBEE
09-25-2001, 01:53 PM
Very nice idea Bruce - and thanks for the comment about J-Slap http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

The Giga Rhodes from Biggas Giggas is very cool. Also I love Liquid Drums.

Scarbee

LHong
09-25-2001, 02:31 PM
Wow, great works! Bruce. I just wonder that how much you have spent for those libraries?

BTW, I\'m also interested in best Saxophone libraries for jazz and pop songs, so, you or/and someone have any comments or recommendations?
Best regards,
LHong



[This message has been edited by LHong (edited 09-25-2001).]

Bardstown Audio
09-25-2001, 04:01 PM
Bruce,

Thank you very kindly for all of your compliments on all of these wonderful instrument libraries, produced by many different producers.

Kip
Bardstown Audio www.bardstownaudio.com (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com\")

clueless
09-25-2001, 07:59 PM
Very informative posting. I am curious about \"world\" instruments. I have a piece to compose that is supposed to parade instruments and styles of many countries more or less synchronized with images. Do you have any recommendations?

clueless

dandean
09-25-2001, 08:15 PM
Hi Bruce,

From the entire staff at Dan Dean Productions, our sincere thanks!

Dan Dean
D. P. Dean
Mr. Dean
Danny

Magpel
09-26-2001, 07:14 AM
Bruce, curse you for inspiring a surge of \"gear acquisition lust.\" It was your columns at Prorec that got me into this Giga-business to begin with, and now this. A couple grand worth of must-haves. Great.

Seriously, the libraries you mention are generally the ones I\'ve been jonesing for anyway. This kind of post helps me prioritize and plan a rationale and viable approach to upgrading. Thanks.

Bruce A. Richardson
09-26-2001, 07:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by clueless:
Very informative posting. I am curious about \"world\" instruments. I have a piece to compose that is supposed to parade instruments and styles of many countries more or less synchronized with images. Do you have any recommendations?

clueless<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nick Phoenix\'s Rare Instruments mentioned above. Bagpipes, Hurdy-gurdy, Irish flute, wind and bowed middle eastern instruments, Taiko drums, a fine Tabla with a very nice mapping. They\'re all well recorded and mapped. The bagpipes are extremely playable thanks to the recordings of typical melodic ornamentations, same with many of the instruments. LOTS of key switching.

There may be others, but this is the one which I have experience using, and it is a lovely library, well produced and nicely packaged with descriptions, photos, etc.

Bruce

Bruce A. Richardson
09-26-2001, 07:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LHong:
I\'m also interested in best Saxophone libraries for jazz and pop songs, so, you or/and someone have any comments or recommendations?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nick Phoenix\'s Quantum Leap Brass has a number of saxophone samples, even though it\'s not a sax library per se. I do not have experience with others...we are lousy with great sax players here in Dallas, so that has never been a priority for me. I particularly like the Ben Webster-esque Tenor...it has the softly blown Webster/Getz/Dex non-vibrato airy sound.

SteveHanlon
09-26-2001, 06:10 PM
Bruce,

A bit off the topic but...

You mentioned using purfect drums with a drum pad controller?
KAT makes one with \'mickey mouse ears\" config which seemed good to get.

I would like a drum pad contrller that responds to hand and finger drumming (not sticks).

Which model do you own?

clueless
09-26-2001, 06:36 PM
Thank you Bruce. I will check out the rare instruments right away.

What do yoiu know about East-West Ethno-World?

clueless

SOD213
09-27-2001, 12:14 PM
>You mentioned using purfect drums with a >drum pad controller?
>KAT makes one with \'mickey mouse ears\" >config which seemed good to get.

>I would like a drum pad contrller that >responds to hand and finger drumming (not >sticks).

>Which model do you own?

Check out the Roland SPD-6. There\'s a switch for sensitivity between sticks/hands. I\'ve not tried out the onboard sounds, but as a 6 pad midi controller, it works. You can probably find it for under $250 online.

Bruce A. Richardson
09-28-2001, 01:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Marty:
Bruce,

A bit off the topic but...

You mentioned using purfect drums with a drum pad controller?
KAT makes one with \'mickey mouse ears\" config which seemed good to get.

I would like a drum pad contrller that responds to hand and finger drumming (not sticks).

Which model do you own?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have two drum pad controllers. One is an ultra-cheap \"PAD-5\" from Roland, discontinued I think. It\'s a simple unit with five single-zone pads.

That\'s not the kind of controller I\'m talking about. I\'m referring to a drumset controller with multi-zone pads like V-Drums or TD-7 based units. This allows you to model sticking behavior. In its simplest form this allows you to program \"head\" hits and \"rimshot\" hits on a single snare pad.

When it comes to the hi-hat, you can map two sets of articulations per \"stomp\" position, for a total of five different articulations--a total of eighty different hi-hat samples with Purrfect Drums which are instantly accessible using the same techniques you\'d use to play a real hi-hat.

That\'s the magic of Purrrfect Drums--that all of these articulations exist and are mappable to a controller which can model that many stickings.

On several occasions I have mentioned that people don\'t really \"get\" Purrrfect Drums, and that\'s the gist of it. Yes, you can play it from a keyboard or from single-zone controllers, but to actually emulate and model the real instruments much depends on the controller you use. In particular, this is why people have trouble understanding the snare drums. You don\'t really get the full picture until you\'ve done the mapping.

With something like a DrumKat, you could map the different articulations to different pads, but you lose the instrument modeling aspect of tying a particular sticking\'s samples to the physical modeling of that sticking played on the pad.

Clear as mud?

Bruce A. Richardson
09-28-2001, 01:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by clueless:
Thank you Bruce. I will check out the rare instruments right away.

What do yoiu know about East-West Ethno-World?

clueless<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I\'m not familiar with it at all. Maybe someone else can jump in and provide the info

KingIdiot
09-28-2001, 09:59 PM
I have Ethno World.

.....

its not the best sample library ever produced, and I have a feeling QL: RI, is more instricate and has better over all instrument programming.

Ethno World seems to be designed for older samplers and smaller Memeroy limitations. The programming isn\'t pushing any boundaries and the amount of velocity layers is pretty small.

There is...somewhat...of a variety of instruments, but I\'m hard pressed to really USE them

i think Id use most of the multisamples in music that I WASNT tryign to emulate a real instrument.....there really isn\'t any expressiveness in the instruments except in the phrase loops...which isn\'t really whta I bought the ibrary for.

The woodwinds are nice for layering with some of my JV-World Expansion sounds (the portamento helps alot).

The percussion is great for adding moods to otehr percusion libraries or jsut tracks in general. I personally like the Military/japanese picillo snare alot.

the stringed instruments.....leave alot to be desired in the realm of expression. the thing with Ethnic stringed instrumetns is that the nuances of how they are played are part of the \"sound\". Some of the instruments have \"shord\" samples but the lack of variety makes them very limiting (possibly an aspect of the original instruments as well)

All in all its not THAT BAD for the price.....considering that there is.....soemwhat....of a variety of instruments http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

...the \"somewhat\" comes from the fact that I wonder how many of them I\'ll actually use....



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clueless
09-28-2001, 11:41 PM
Thank you Bruce and KingIdiot for your comments. I just ordered Rare Instruments -- pricey. I will let you know how its works for my job.

clueless

Gav
09-29-2001, 12:47 PM
Hey guys,
I\'m looking for something with a lot of jungly-african-big-thunderous-drumming-type sounds. Sounds like you\'d find on the \"Amistad\" soundtrack or the theme for \"Survivor\". (did I actually use those 2 in the same sentence?) Any clues?
I was getting ready to get Ethno World but it sounds as though I might be disappointed. Rare Instruments is so dang expensive and I wasn\'t really sure it actually had what I\'m looking for though it\'s obviously full of all kinds of other great stuff.
Who has thoughts on this?
I\'m in sort of a hurry to get this stuff so if you\'re reading this, (and obviously, you are) PLEASE chime in! Thanks!

Gav

Gav
09-29-2001, 01:20 PM
Does anyone know about Spectrasonic\'s Heart of Africa Vol 1 & 2? It looks like they only have AUDIO format available but couldn\'t I just get that and import it all into the GS Editor?
I don\'t have much experience messing about with the Editor and making my own .gig files but I think it should be feasible.
The demo of Heart of Africa sounded like what I\'m looking for but obviously I would like to know how much of a headache I\'m looking at if I have to convert it all into gig files.
Somebody please help!!

Gav

KingIdiot
09-29-2001, 01:50 PM
Gav,

You might also want to check out Percussive adventures at . I believe its mostly loops but was a possible buy when I needed world percussion. Sounded great, but in the end I had enough for what I needed with my JV World expansion, ethno world and heart of asia.

Ethno world has some good percusion, and lot of samples of each percussive instrument so you can make some good performances, but you REALLY need to set the EG MOD setting in the editor to release/decay control. It gets REALLY muddy with all the low frequencies pplaying through, and it EATS UP POLY real quick.

Haven\'t heard enough about Heart of Africa to mae any comments, but if its like Heart of Asia at all then programming might be more of a pain than you want to go through. I\'d buy the Akai and convert that one, instead of trying to program the Audio CD by yourself.



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Gav
09-29-2001, 02:23 PM
Sorry but I know next to nothing about programming .gig files...

If I get the AKAI version, am I going to be sitting for weeks programming and mapping and trying to figure out how to get those samples working in GS? Like I mentioned, I\'m in a bit of a nasty hurry with this and need a good African / Tribal / Percussion-type library NOW!!! Better yet, YESTERDAY!!!

Really didn\'t expect to have so much difficulty finding this type of sound library for GS. Hmph.

Speedy help appreciated!!!

Gav

Thomas_J
09-29-2001, 03:05 PM
Gav, programming is made easy in Gigastudio\'s instrument editor. The large graphical interface makes the programming stage painless compared to the days of hardware samplers with tiny lcd displays. It took me about 5 minutes to learn the basics, and in 1 hour I had a complete .gig file that played very well in Gigastudio. Try it, read the manual, and you\'ll see that it\'s pretty simple, actually. If there\'s something you can\'t work out, this forum is, as you probably know, full of competent sample library developers who I\'m sure would be happy to help you out.

Good luck,
Thomas

KingIdiot
09-29-2001, 03:13 PM
arrgh I wrote a big reply and the password didn\'t take so when I hit \"back\" it diappeaed. I HATE THIS

buy the Akai version...it can be converted...


Audio CD has to be programmed.

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Gav
09-29-2001, 03:21 PM
http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/grin.gif I hate that too!!!

Thanks guys...think I\'ll probably go for the AKAI version of Hearts of Africa unless someone speaks up with a better suggestion for the \"African Tribal Drumming\" thing.

Cheers

Gav

Robert Kral
09-29-2001, 08:29 PM
GAV: I\'d say go for the \"Heart pf Africa\". I don\'t have it myself but the \"Heart of\" series is good quality. I would not recommend Percussive Adventures (which I do have). Sure the demo is awesome, but the loops are so constricting and you\'ll get tired of the library (just my opinion) in about 10 minutes. There\'s not enough varation in the material within each loop style. There\'s not enough \"construction\" elements to roll your own versions, even though some of the stuff sounds cool.

Thoms_J: you have a manual?!!!!

I seriously wish Gigastudio came with a printed, comprehensive manual. This is the best, most powerful sampler in the world, and there\'s really no manual. I don\'t enjoy the help file and I don\'t seem to be able to find everything I need in it, even some basic things.

I\'d love to see a new thread or topic start up on this forum about \"how to\" edit, create instruments from scratch, import wav files to create complete set-ups etc etc.

Tascam: can we get a proper manual?!