Powerful Brass

[donnie]

All this talk about brass ensembles inspired me to do a demo using the Prosonus stuff. I\'m telling you guys this stuff has BALLS!!

Instruments used were:

Prosonus Brass esembles
Prosonus violin section
Prosonus Celli section

This is one of my fav. movements of ANY symphony!

I ran it straight out of Finale so it\'s not humanized at all which probably would have helped it a little.

Donnie
http://www.dssoundware.com/sounds/SHOSTAKOVICH.mp3 (\"http://www.dssoundware.com/sounds/SHOSTAKOVICH.mp3\")

[This message has been edited by donnie (edited 09-20-2001).]

[Maarten Spruijt]

Donnie,

Please take the time to make a good, expressive humanized version of this symphony midi-mockup excerpt. A finished demo.

The marcato strings sound pretty useful, but with this amount of hyper-quantizing the brass sections really sound like a tutti-register organ playing loud chords. I\'m sorry to say so. The playing style is so un-brass\'ish that it\'s just impossible to make a fair judgement of these Prosonus samples this way! Please do some non-Finale midi editing and post it again!

Maarten

[Jamieh]

I have to agree with Maarten on this one--the demo sounds like strings and pipe organ.

[Thomas_J]

Shostakovich is twisting in his grave http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif
I think this piece could benefit greatly from some proper sequencing. I\'m not sure how you work donnie, but I usually don\'t bother with samples when I\'m working in Finale. The default GM setup tend to give me a fair idea of how the orchestration sounds. I\'m sure the prosonus library you\'re working on would sound better than the average GM setup. Could you perhaps explain how it substitutes a typical GM sound palette in a notation program enviroment? Are there seperate trombones, horns and trumpet section samples? It would be interesting to hear a \"humanized\" version!

Thomas

[clueless]

Where do you get Prosonus? Is it an old Akai library?

clueless

[nicholash]

That short excerpt is great music. I must find out more about Shostakovich.

Thanks Donnie.

Best regards
Nicholas

[astrt4]

There seems to be a misconception here that Finale can\'t be used as an effective sequencer for expressive playback. While the interface may not be designed for sequencing use in the manner that a program like Cakewalk is, as far as I know Finale can record and playback all of the same types of performance data that Cakewalk can. Finale is not limited to the quantized feel of a program like Sibelius.

[nicholash]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by astrt4:
There seems to be a misconception here that Finale can\'t be used as an effective sequencer for expressive playback. While the interface may not be designed for sequencing use in the manner that a program like Cakewalk is, as far as I know Finale can record and playback all of the same types of performance data that Cakewalk can. Finale is not limited to the quantized feel of a program like Sibelius.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi Astrt4,

Please correct me if I\'m wrong, but I think Sibelius isn\'t limited to a quantised feel: It has what Sibelius refers to as the \"Espressivo\" function, that is intended to provide a way to breathe life into potentially sterile-sounding playback (i.e. for \'humanising\' the playback).

Best regards
Nicholas

[Z6]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maarten Spruijt:
Donnie,

Please take the time to make a good, expressive humanized version of this symphony midi-mockup excerpt. A finished demo.

The marcato strings sound pretty useful, but with this amount of hyper-quantizing the brass sections really sound like a tutti-register organ playing loud chords. I\'m sorry to say so. The playing style is so un-brass\'ish that it\'s just impossible to make a fair judgement of these Prosonus samples this way! Please do some non-Finale midi editing and post it again!

Maarten<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, that\'s you told(?) Thanks Donnie. It was useful to me - it did have balls. While it\'s great to hear wonderful MP3\'s that have been lovingly sculpted, it\'s also great to hear what a library can do in rough-and-ready mode.

Now, go and write 500 times \"I must take more time with my published libraries, and not rashly sling something together for the sheer hell of it, lest I offend any artists.\"

[donnie]

Z6,

thanks for the comments. That was the intention of that demo...to show the power of the brass which it does definately have. Most days I just don\'t have time to go in and \"sculpt\" every note so it\'s nice to just pump something out of Finale.

The \"sampling guestopo\" should know better than that and stick to fixing their own problems such as the three junior high school tones in that trumpet ensemble.

Ok, now go ahead and flame me for speaking my mind....I\'m ready.

Donnie

[KingIdiot]

ouch.....

yes another useless post from me http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

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Really...I am an Idiot

[Maarten Spruijt]

Just tried to be fair, Donnie...

[This message has been edited by Maarten Spruijt (edited 09-22-2001).]

[Thomas_J]

Okey let\'s just end it right here before this develops into another flaming battle.

Thomas

[Chadwick]

Post any and all demos as much as you can guys.

Rough and ready demos are sometimes more useful than the sculpted ones, as they can expose weak points. There\'s nothing worse than getting a library based on a polished demo, only to find that the actual library has lots of holes which the demo was crafty enough to avoid.

I like the marcato strings too.

[astrt4]

>>>>>\"Hi Astrt4,

Please correct me if I\'m wrong, but I think Sibelius isn\'t limited to a quantised feel: It has what Sibelius refers to as the \"Espressivo\" function, that is intended to provide a way to breathe life into potentially sterile-sounding playback (i.e. for \'humanising\' the playback).

Best regards
Nicholas\"<<<<<

Expressivo can help some to create the illusion of not being quantized. It\'s like a scaled-down version of the MIDI Tool in Finale.

But what I\'m referring to is a bit different. Sibelius does not record MIDI data in the same way that Finale does. Both programs quantize the data, but only Finale gives you the option of playing it back either with all of the performance nuances you used or with the quantized version. Sibelius will only play the performance back quantized. Sibelius also doesn\'t seem to capture many types of MIDI data, such as key velocity and sustain messages.

Best Wishes,
astrt4

[nicholash]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chadwick:
Post any and all demos as much as you can guys.

Rough and ready demos are sometimes more useful than the sculpted ones, as they can expose weak points. There\'s nothing worse than getting a library based on a polished demo, only to find that the actual library has lots of holes which the demo was crafty enough to avoid.

I like the marcato strings too.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well said Chadwick.

Best regards
Nicholas
p.s. I like the strings in the demo also.

[ursatz]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chadwick:
Post any and all demos as much as you can guys.

Rough and ready demos are sometimes more useful than the sculpted ones, as they can expose weak points. There\'s nothing worse than getting a library based on a polished demo, only to find that the actual library has lots of holes which the demo was crafty enough to avoid.

I like the marcato strings too.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I\'ll go along with that all the way. It really helps me judge a library when I can hear a demo of it \"in the raw.\" That doesn\'t happen very often.