Pirate site...

[SCARBEE]

Another Pirate place...
http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/frown.gif



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[nicholash]

Hi Scarbee,

Personally, I always buy proper licenses for the samples I use. I think that I have now spent well over $10,000 on sample CDs/CD-ROMs. This has included buying some on the basis of very carefully crafted demos that show the samples in the best possible light, and finding out, after I purchased them, that the samples and/or programming are basically crap! I can assure you that this is annoying as well, especially since I cannot get a refund. One day, I may choose to expose those sample CD producers if I get angry enough.

I don\'t approve of piracy at all, but it is a fact of life. I\'m sure that you realised this before you embarked on developing your sampled libraries. If not, then don\'t you think you may be somewhat naive?

You say: \"What right do they have to give away hours of my life? I have spend months doing these libraries - time I could have spend with my wife and kids. I am so upset.\"

This dosen\'t excuse them, but I think you should remember it was your own decision to spend months doing the libraries and not spend that time with you wife and kids. Take responsibility for your own decisions/actions, which were made before anyone pirated your work.

I have spoken to several \'software\' producers and some have acknowledged that significant piracy has actually helped the success of their business! Do you think, for example, that Cubase would be as successful now if so many people hadn\'t used pirate copies on their Atari computers?

You say: \"This kind of stuff makes me wanna quit doing more libraries - it ain\'t worth it\".

That has to be your own decision, but I expect that you got tremendous satisfaction out of producing such marvellous and well respected sample libraries. You have been given some tremendously positive feedback on your work. Does this not mean anything to you, or are you just interested in money!

Piracy is certainly annoying, but consider that many of those who use pirated copies of your sampled libraries would probably have never bought them in the first place.

Think about it.

Best regards
Nicholas

[Munsie]

Whoah...big mistake posting the site here on this forum. Lot\'s of newbies who might not realize these kind of sites exist. Now they have a link...edit the message and get rid of that link right away!!!!

Now I must add... ARE YOU THAT NAIVE??? Welcome to the software industry!!!! Yes, what you are doing is making \"software\" which opens you up to the same kind of problems the software industry has had since users first pirated their C64,Apple,Atari, etc. floppy disks. And if you think this is the only site with samples on it you\'re wrong. I also write software for a living, it takes me 6 months to a year to write a good piece of software. The same day I release it, it gets posted to all of the pirate networks. There is simply nothing you can do about it. You could rack your brain, get upset, try to prosecute them, shut them down, etc. But you would probably make more money by spending your time making more products. I\'ve been in the software industry for over 20 years now, please keep this in mind, pirates do not buy software or samples, regardless of the price. If somebody wants to rip you off, they will have no problem finding a way to get your samples. That\'s why so many software developers fear the whole broadband thing. It will just make it too easy for the \"average joe\" to pirate large files.

p.s. Now forget you ever saw the site, and get back to making the best bass libraries you can. (Where\'s that damn fingered bass anyway!!) http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

[SCARBEE]

Hi Nicholash:

I\'m sure that you realised this before you embarked on developing your sampled libraries. If not, then don\'t you think you may be somewhat naive?

Off course I knew about piracy (I had my first Atari/Cubase in 1988), but it is a different experience to see your OWN material giving away for free.

I have spoken to several \'software\' producers and some have acknowledged that significant piracy has actually helped the success of their business!

Well, it doesn\'t help me...

You have been given some tremendously positive feedback on your work. Does this not mean anything to you, or are you just interested in money!

Do you honestly believe that? As things are going now it will take me years to get even, so right now I have only spent money. And I have to consider whether it is worth doing, since I have to do it in my spare time (instead of being with my family, you see?). I work as a full time composer and make a living this way and have rejected film jobs for may thousand dollars just to do these libraries - because i am an idealist and like you to have some great libraries.

Piracy is certainly annoying, but consider that many of those who use pirated copies of your sampled libraries would probably have never bought them in the first place.

This is not true. Many - even professional composers use pirated software, which they use for years and never pay for. Just ask the other developers, they know this as a fact too.

Scarbee

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[nicholash]

Hi Scarbee,

Sorry for sounding a bit harsh earlier, and I probably shouldn\'t have responded whilst in a state of shock.

Unfortunately, I took a financial risk myself recently (my own decision, of course), but it hasn\'t helped my mood that I just found out today that I\'ve lost most of my investment (over $500,000) and that I may now have to start claiming social security benefits or similar to survive financially.

Best regards
Nicholas

[SCARBEE]

Hi Nicolash,

I am very sorry to hear that! what a bad day for you. http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/shocked.gif

Hope you are doing alright?

You have my sympathy

Scarbee

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[Munsie]

\"but it is a different experience to see your OWN material giving away for free.\"

What did you feel about piracy before you realized your samples were being pirated?

Yep, the average joe dosn\'t realize how much piracy hurts. But to be honest Scarbee, it probably hasn\'t affected your income too much. Also, I\'m having a hard time swallowing the pill that commercial producers/composers would actually use pirated samples in their work. I\'m just a novice with a glimmer of hope, of making a few bucks from the online music industry, and I would never dream of using stolen samples in a public offering. And I can\'t imagine someone with a large budget doing commercials,jingles, sound tracks, etc. with pirated samples!!!! Now THAT would indeed suck big time!!! And those are the kind of people to target for the lawsuits, they have money to pay!! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

[nicholash]

Thanks Scarbee,

I\'m considering making the sampled Bechstein upright a commercial product. I expect it will also be pirated if I do so. I don\'t know if I can do anything to reduce the likelyhood of piracy. If I keep the price fairly low, maybe more people will consider buying it rather than using a pirate copy.

Having had experience myself of the significant effort required to produce a good sampled instrument, I much prefer to buy licenses from sample CD-ROM developers. It is also a way of saying thanks to the developer, and I feel better because my conscience is clear.

From what I read, people love your sampled bass libraries. This should be very satisfying to know.

Best regards
Nicholas
p.s. The shock of losing all that money is starting to hurt more at the moment, but I must try not to let it ruin my life or become bitter about it. I gave up my stressful computing career over one and a half years ago. Despite increasing financial hardship, I don\'t regret leaving my job at all. Only trouble is now I just can\'t face working in the IT industry again. In fact, I dread the thought of working for any boss who seems to relish the power they have over their employees.

[SCARBEE]

Hi Munsie,

What did you feel about piracy before you realized your samples were being pirated?

I have always hated Piracy. I don\'t allow my kids to get pirated computer games either - and it is hard to explain sometimes as all of their friends do it!

And I can\'t imagine someone with a large budget doing commercials,jingles, sound tracks, etc. with pirated samples!!!!

Believe me, they do...

Scarbee

[Gav]

SCARBEE, I know you\'re angry. That would infuriate the hell out of me, I know it. But I REEEEEALLY wish you hadn\'t actually posted the link. I guarantee you there are forum users here who never would have known how to find that stuff who will now join in the piracy at yours and other developers/programmers expense. If there is a moderator here with the presence of mind to get rid of that link, please do it.
Take a breath SCARBEE, for your own sake. I can\'t say I know how it feels to see your own name on the piracy roster but I don\'t imagine it\'s a warm fuzzy feeling. But I guess it happens, no matter what you do.

Gav

[KingIdiot]

Scarbee-

PLease edit your post and delete the link http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

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Really...I am an Idiot

[paynterr]

Yes - get rid of the link PLEASE!
It\'s rather like saying \"Someone\'s stolen a bit of paper with my bank pin number on it... isn\'t it bad?... oh - by the way everyone - this is what the number was!\" http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif
By the way - had a look (and incidentally, I wouldn;t have found this had it not been posted (luckily I buy my libraries)) and Dan Dean\'s stuff is on there too... along with just about everything else to do with music you can mention...

[franz]

Hmm,
I went there and I couldn\'t figure out how to download anything?
I just got links to legitimate sites?

We (several sound developers) already shut down several pirates in the last 2 years by informing the FBI and/or simply complaining to Geocities.

Scarbee, please let me know how to get the stuff for free, so we can do something about it.
email me privately: franz@vrsound.com

best,
franZ

[Munsie]

\"Scarbee, please let me know how to get the stuff for free..\"

I\'m sorry, that just sounds so funny after reading all of the other posts on this topic. LOL http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

[franz]

Well, before I call the FBI or take action I want to make sure these guys are pirating my stuff (and Scarbees).

You are right it does sound funny http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

One more reason to only sell to customers directly. I am also using a renaming software which renames all samples within a GS file. Thus creating a unique cd rom everytime. It\'s not fool proof but at least I have a record of which sample goes to whom.

franZ

[SCARBEE]

Hi Franz,

If you read the notes you will see that it is all pirated stuff (credits to the hackers, install notes, etc.) The files are win-rar or other exe. files. You have to register to get the download links, but there is an email address to the guy there..

Please let FBI nail these people! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/grin.gif

Scarbee

[SCARBEE]

Please disregard

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[Hans Adamson]

Scarbee,

Maybe it is best to take out the e-mail address as well.

Hans

[sgarsson]

Off topic response to Nicolash:

If you feel like writing me off-line please do so. I have great compassion for your frustrations/hardships with the IT sector.

sgarsson@tanning.com

[SCARBEE]

Please disregard

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[SOD213]

Take out the name of the groups in that post too Scarbee. I was able to find the site you were referring to based on the supplier/trader group name. (G... and D...)

Ahh, fun stuff. And here I am thinking about making a sample library, and what I get to look forward to. :P

[OH]

Pirating things this way is unethical and frustrating for all you library producers. No doubt. And you have my sympathy and I am against it also. But please allow me to ask: Do you honestly believe that those who download those free copies would have bought the libraries if not having access to free versions? I am sure they would have NOT. You might think differently, but I am sure that they are in NO WAY your usual potential buyers. (well. some might be, but not too many to worry about) Those who are your potential buyers will buy the libraries legally. I am sure about it!

regards

PS: NO. I am NOT a naive optimist.



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O.H.

[SCARBEE]

Hi,

I have deleted any pasted material from the pirate place, so no one can be \"tempted\".

I apologize for my carelessnes, but I am not used to this kind of stuff...

I have informed Nemesys/TASCAM and they will take action.

Scarbee

[MidiDimwit]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SCARBEE:
Hi Franz,

If you read the notes you will see that it is all pirated stuff (credits to the hackers, install notes, etc.) The files are win-rar or other exe. files. You have to register to get the download links, but there is an email address to the guy there..

Please let FBI nail these people! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/grin.gif

Scarbee<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don\'t know, since I didn\'t catch the link before it was deleted(thanks for nothing guys!) but most of those Warez and l33t dewd haqr sites are newbie traps. Register and we\'ll send you the links by e-mail most likely. Yeah, you\'ll get something by e-mail, but it will most likely be a mountain of solicited(since you gave it to em) spam. Didn\'t your momma ever tell you not to give your e-mail out to strangers?

Scarbee, why not create a temp Yahoo account, register with the dude, and see what happens?

[MidiDimwit]

Ok, here\'s the preliminary footwork:

I managed to find the site(there are actually many mirrors of this site out there), and yes, mostly it is about links to the product web pages and .nfo files on how to install the bogus program. But I managed to get to the registration area that was mentioned above.

On that reg page a Windows script attempts to run that wants to rewrite an area of your Windows registry. It may be benign, but on those types of websites nothing is benign IMHO. You notified Nemesys/Tascam. Now don\'t sweat it. I can\'t think of a punk- server(s) that would want to hold all of that stuff, let alone a service provider that would allow the massive bandwidth needed even just to dole out the Scarbee Bass library to the masses. Who knows.

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[SCARBEE]

Hi MidiDimwit:

Thanks. So you believe it is bogus? Hopefully you are right. Please check your PC for virus now - especialy a Trojan horse like \"hymer.scanner\" which will run from start. (run msconfig.exe to see if there is something new there)

[MidiDimwit]

More footwork:

Newbie trap exposed! The registration page has a trojan horse in the .htm file. It is a JS.EXCEPTION.EXPLOIT that fools your computer into thinking that an activeX control marked unsafe is really safe to use. The web page can either activate an activeX control you already have, or if these don\'t do what they want, your computer will accept one of theirs and run it, hence me seeing that the page wanted to change my registry.

For all those that visited this page, do this: hit start, run, type in command, enter, then type jview, enter, then look at the top for Java Version 5.00.xxxx. If xxxx is 3317 or earlier, get yo\' here:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/b ulletin/ms00-075.asp (\"http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/ms00-075.asp\")

Hope this helps http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

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[Joris de Man]

Hey Scarbee,

Heard the demos of your basslibrary, and I was VERY impressed! It reminded me somewhat of some Level 42 Mark King stuff, which in my opinion is never a bad thing http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif
I will definately be getting that sometime soon. Does it take a lot of (midi)programming to get the bass to sound like it does in your demos, or is it relatively easy to do? I assume you\'re a bassplayer yourself?
Great stuff,

Regards,

Joris de Man

[MidiDimwit]

Glad to help. Now, can I get your bass library at a discount? http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

[SOD213]

For fun, I emailed the address of one of the trading groups from that site... They replied:

>From: \"Steve\" <myemailaddress@hotmail.com>
>To: piratesite@hotmail.com
>Subject: Akai/Giga
>Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 16:46:46
>
>Hey, how can I get some sample CD\'s from >you?
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Steve

From : \"Sucka Mycock\" <piratesite@hotmail.com>
To : myemailaddress@hotmail.com
Subject : Re: Akai/Giga
Date : Mon, 10 Sep 2001 03:21:29 +0000


you can\'t.


(Friendly bunch, huh? http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif )

[SCARBEE]

Hi MidiDimwit:

Good work. You should work for FBI... http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif

I have just send a warning to the people at Nemesys/TASCAM.

Fortunately my Java version is 5.00.3802 as I always take the security updates from Microsoft seriously. I hope no one has caugt up some nasty stuff.\'

Scarbee

[SCARBEE]

Hi Joris de Man:

Thanks. I am a bass player myself. I believe it is easier than you might think to make bass lines on the Scarbee Bass libraries(Much easier than spending years, practising bass playing in a cellar...) http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif
When you have learned the basics of the programming. I have tried to make it easy to remember the \"rules\".
Remember that you decide when to \"stop\" the programming of the bass line - when you think it sounds good, that\'s it! But you can go all the way if you want and insert special samples, slides, fretnoise, etc. It is quite fun to do the last bit.
I will make an update for J-Slap this week - so be prepared for e new demo soon, a Combi-demo (Fingered/Slap)

cheers

Thomas