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Bardstown Audio

08-07-2001, 02:28 AM

We have several MP3 demos of the archtop guitars, tenor banjos, and accordions posted at this link.
http://www.bardstownaudio.com/mp3.html (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com/mp3.html\")

Kip
Bardstown Audio www.bardstownaudio.com (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com\")

Thomas_J

08-07-2001, 10:19 AM

hey great demos! Sounds very convincing. I\'m wondering what those Texas Swing mp3\'s are.. that style of music rocked. I want more texas swing and those HJC1&2 demos also rocked.

Thomas

Bardstown Audio

08-07-2001, 12:13 PM

Bruce A. Richardson

08-08-2001, 04:21 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bardstown Audio:

Thank you for the compliment
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I had a project fall into my lap where I needed to knock off a present-day Texas Swing sound. I just installed these libraries last night, and they\'re really good.

Just two splits and release triggers for each instrument, yet very expressive to play, and the tones are absolutely dead on. No one has done an archtop guitar at all that I\'m aware of, certainly not this good sounding. I loaded up the Tenor Banjo, played the line from \"Dueling Banjos\" and just cracked up laughing because it sounded so good. Same for the accordions, they\'re great instruments and well sampled and mapped.

These are definitely up there with the best Giga libraries in terms of realism and tone quality.

Bruce

Bardstown Audio

08-08-2001, 07:19 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bruce A. Richardson:
I had a project fall into my lap where I needed to knock off a present-day Texas Swing sound. I just installed these libraries last night, and they\'re really good.

Just two splits and release triggers for each instrument, yet very expressive to play, and the tones are absolutely dead on. No one has done an archtop guitar at all that I\'m aware of, certainly not this good sounding. I loaded up the Tenor Banjo, played the line from \"Dueling Banjos\" and just cracked up laughing because it sounded so good. Same for the accordions, they\'re great instruments and well sampled and mapped.

These are definitely up there with the best Giga libraries in terms of realism and tone quality.

Bruce

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Bruce,

Thank you for your compliments!

Kip
Bardstown Audio www.bardstownaudio.com (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com\")

Bruce A. Richardson

08-09-2001, 01:53 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bardstown Audio:

Bruce,

Thank you for your compliments!

Kip
Bardstown Audio www.bardstownaudio.com (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com\")

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Hi Kip,

You\'re welcome, Kip. Well deserved, for sure. Whatever you\'re doing, keep on doing it!

Slightly OT--Other libraries I\'ve heard lately that are great: Nick\'s \"Rare Instruments,\" Dan Dean\'s \"Solo Woodwinds,\" and the calfskinned Hinger Timps and marimba/vibes from Donny and Sean. All excellent.

donnie

08-10-2001, 02:26 AM

I need to chime in on this one also....I got these discs from Kip yesterday and I must say that they are spectacular! The recording are pristine and the playability is excellent. If you have the need for good all round guitars, accordians, or banjos this is a must have!

hey Kip....you need to put a demo of \"dueling banjos\" up!! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Donnie

Munsie

08-10-2001, 07:47 AM

Archtop Guitars - Please explain in detail what samples come with this guitar. (strums, leads, acoustic, electric, chords, etc.) Thanks!

Bardstown Audio

08-10-2001, 09:48 AM

Bardstown Audio

08-10-2001, 10:06 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Thomas_J:
hey great demos! Sounds very convincing. I\'m wondering what those Texas Swing mp3\'s are.. that style of music rocked. I want more texas swing and those HJC1&2 demos also rocked.

Thomas<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hello Thomas J,

Sorry if I did not answer your question completely the other day. When you asked what those Texas Swing MP3\'s were, I replied, \"Beaumont Rag.\" I did not think to mention what instruments were used on those MP3s, which is what you may have wanted to know.

On those particular MP3\'s of \"Beaumont Rag,\" I used the acoustic archtop guitar with a pick and the tenor banjo with a pick on both the rhythms and solos. First part was a tenor banjo pick solo with acoustic archtop guitar pick for rhythm, and the second MP3 of the Texas Swing was acoustic archtop guitar solo with tenor banjo rhythm.

On all of the MP3\'s on my web site, I used the \"Dan Dean acoustic bass\" with the archtop guitar, tenor banjo, and accordion demos.

Thank you

Kip www.bardstownaudio.com (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com\")

Thomas_J

08-10-2001, 10:20 AM

Thanks for the extended information! The more I listen to these, the more I want your library. Are you playing that rhythm with a multisample or a rhythm chord patch (with up/down strokes)? It\'s so realistic, I can\'t really tell.

Thomas

Bardstown Audio

08-10-2001, 11:22 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Munsie:
Archtop Guitars - Please explain in detail what samples come with this guitar. (strums, leads, acoustic, electric, chords, etc.) Thanks!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hello Munsie,

In the \"Vintage Guitars and Tenor Banjos\" sample library collection, there are a total of six different Giga instruments. There are acoustic archtop guitar pick, acoustic archtop guitar thumb, a floating DeArmond pickup on the same archtop guitar which has been sampled with both pick and thumb on two separate Giga instrument files, tenor banjo pick, and tenor banjo thumb.

The electric archtop jazz guitar with the DeArmond pickup is the most beautiful, sweet, sexy, and warm sounding electric jazz guitar imaginable. There are several reasons for this. First of all, with a floating pickup, the hand carved top of the archtop guitar has not been butchered and cut in order to mount Humbuckers or single coiled pickups. Because of this, you have the benefit of having the complete hand carved top of the guitar properly vibrating without being butchered, cut, and obstructed with mounted pickups. This greatly enhances the natural, raw, and electric sound of the instrument with the DeArmond floating pickup which was positioned in the neck position of the guitar. When I sample recorded this instrument with the DeArmond pickup, I plugged the pickup directly into the DI input of an Avalon M5, and from the Avalon M5 into a Millennia TCL2 compressor equipped with vintage Mullard tubes which are probably 50 years old. You will not find a sampled electric jazz guitar anywhere which sounds so sweet, warm, and sexy, and very much alive!

Every instrument in this collection was sampled with two velocity layers and release triggers. The release trigger responses are programed to operate from the mod wheel control, thus allowing the user to control the amount of release trigger effect desired. Personally, I tend to prefer a heavy release trigger response in most music applications, but there are a few situations where a lighter release trigger response is desired. This is very easily adjusted with the mod wheel control. Donnie Christian assisted me with this particular programming feature. Thank you Donnie!

There are no chord, strumming or rhythm samples in this collection, and for several good reasons. Chord, strumming, and rhythm samples are very extremely limited in use. With such samples, you are limited to whatever tempo, rhythms, and chords are provided.

Within recent times, there are excellent software programs available which generate great strums, rhythms, and chords for guitars and banjos. These programs generate chords, strums, and rhythms as well or much better in most situations than a real guitar and or banjo musician can do. I know this may seem unbelievable to many who has not worked with these new programs, but they are absolutely wonderful!

The program I used on the MP3 demos for generating strums, chords, and rhythms was PG Music\'s \"Band in the Box\" Version 10. Band in the Box version 10 has greatly enhanced features for generating guitar and banjo rhythms. You need the latest Band in the Box version 10 for these applications, not versions 7, 8, or 9. The older previous versions of Band in the box do not have the enhanced features for generating high quality strums, chords, and rhythms. You can check this out at www.pgmusic.com. (\"http://www.pgmusic.com.\")

Another great strumming, chord, and rhythm software program for guitars and banjos which I have recently purchased is the \"Rhythm n Chords\" \"Pro Gold\" midi effects plugin for Cakewalk. A lite version of this program is included with Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 and Sonar. I purchased the full version of this program from www.musiclab.com (\"http://www.musiclab.com\") a few weeks ago. It is an amazing program as well.

Style Enhancer 3.0 is another great midi effects program for Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 and Sonar, which has great chord, strumming, and rhythm features as well. A lite version of this program is also included with Cakewalk and Sonar, but the full version can be purchased from www.ntonyx.com. (\"http://www.ntonyx.com.\")

The full versions of all of these programs are very reasonably priced. They are all very quick and easy to use, and do not take hardly any time, in order to figure out how to use them.

Kip
Bardstown Audio www.bardstownaudio.com (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com\")

Bardstown Audio

08-10-2001, 11:28 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Thomas_J:
Thanks for the extended information! The more I listen to these, the more I want your library. Are you playing that rhythm with a multisample or a rhythm chord patch (with up/down strokes)? It\'s so realistic, I can\'t really tell.

Thomas<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hello Thomas,

Thank you for your interest! I just now posted a detailed explanation which will answer your question in the preceding post on this thread topic.

Kip
Bardstown Audio www.bardstownaudio.com (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com\")

Bardstown Audio

08-13-2001, 06:26 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by pmuse:
These sounds are really nice. I think what Kip has done here is a straight-forward and \"old school\" approach to modern sampling technology. What do you do to make a great record? Get the best players and instruments for the best \"tone\" possible. I think these samples would sound great recorded with a \'57, but every step of the process was given a great deal of attention. There are no insignificant details when it comes to audio engineering and production. Kip is a fussy guy when it comes to quality and you can bet these sounds are completely usable and musical. The release triggers, thanks to Donnie Christian\'s help, lend to the overall sense of an actual performance of the instruments. You won\'t find any fancy keyswitching or multiple layers here. Just good old fashioned audio capture of the warmest performances you\'ve ever heard on these instruments.

It\'s an old lesson to be learned once again that there are no shortcuts to quality. Thank you Kip for going the extra mile on these sampled instruments.

Kevin Phelan
Nemesys Music Technology<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kevin,

Thank you very much for your compliments!

There are multi velocity layers on the guitars and banjos, and one of the accordions. Accordion tones are pretty much constant at any volume level, so multi velocity layers on accordions are not critical, such as they are on guitars and tenor banjos.

All of these instruments were sample recorded with DPA B&K 130 volt 4012\'s and 4003\'s, with Avalon and Millennia mic preamps and compressors and Apogee A/D conversion.

pmuse

08-13-2001, 11:19 PM

These sounds are really nice. I think what Kip has done here is a straight-forward and \"old school\" approach to modern sampling technology. What do you do to make a great record? Get the best players and instruments for the best \"tone\" possible. I think these samples would sound great recorded with a \'57, but every step of the process was given a great deal of attention. There are no insignificant details when it comes to audio engineering and production. Kip is a fussy guy when it comes to quality and you can bet these sounds are completely usable and musical. The release triggers, thanks to Donnie Christian\'s help, lend to the overall sense of an actual performance of the instruments. You won\'t find any fancy keyswitching or multiple layers here. Just good old fashioned audio capture of the warmest performances you\'ve ever heard on these instruments.

It\'s an old lesson to be learned once again that there are no shortcuts to quality. Thank you Kip for going the extra mile on these sampled instruments.

Kevin Phelan
Nemesys Music Technology

dandean

08-14-2001, 12:06 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by donnie:
I need to chime in on this one also....I got these discs from Kip yesterday and I must say that they are spectacular! The recording are pristine and the playability is excellent. If you have the need for good all round guitars, accordians, or banjos this is a must have!

hey Kip....you need to put a demo of \"dueling banjos\" up!! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Donnie<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
As Donnie \"chimes\" in on this topic, I\'ll pick or blow in on it as well...I checked out the Banjos this afternoon from Kip\'s collection. They sound great. Clean as a whistle, lots of presence, rich fullness and body to the samples. I haven\'t had time to check everything out, but if it all sounds as good as what I just heard, (which I\'m sure it does) this is a great collection. I really enjoyed the demos as well. Having played with guys like Barney Kessel, Herb Ellis and Howard Roberts, I know what an archtop guitar sounds like and this is exactly what it sounds like. Great job, Kip!

DD

Bardstown Audio

08-14-2001, 03:11 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by dandean:

Originally posted by donnie:
I need to chime in on this one also....I got these discs from Kip yesterday and I must say that they are spectacular! The recording are pristine and the playability is excellent. If you have the need for good all round guitars, accordians, or banjos this is a must have!

hey Kip....you need to put a demo of \"dueling banjos\" up!! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Donnie<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
As Donnie \"chimes\" in on this topic, I\'ll pick or blow in on it as well...I checked out the Banjos this afternoon from Kip\'s collection. They sound great. Clean as a whistle, lots of presence, rich fullness and body to the samples. I haven\'t had time to check everything out, but if it all sounds as good as what I just heard, (which I\'m sure it does) this is a great collection. I really enjoyed the demos as well. Having played with guys like Barney Kessel, Herb Ellis and Howard Roberts, I know what an archtop guitar sounds like and this is exactly what it sounds like. Great job, Kip!

DD

Dan, thank you very much for your wonderful compliments! And Donnie, I thank you again as well!

When I developed these sampled instrument libraries, I wanted acoustic and electric archtop guitars, tenor banjos, and accordions that I could use in my own production work, and to have high quality samples of these instruments that would fool even myself into thinking that they were real musicians playing these instruments. I have very much accomplished this with these instruments.

Acoustic and electric archtop guitars have always by far been my guitars of choice for all music applications. There is a sound, richness, and character that an acoustic flat top guitar or other electric guitars cannot begin to compare with, in terms of rich warm character, while being able to project presence and definition in a mix. Furthermore, you do not need to EQ and/or compress these sampled archtop guitars in a mix in order to bring them out.

Four string tenor banjos have a very special resonating character, which is most pleasing as well, and are extremely useful in many various styles of music, whereas five string banjos are pretty much limited to bluegrass and country music applications.

As for the accordions, useful applications are unlimited. Very often, people hear great music with accordions and do not realize what instrument they are listening to, and are pleasantly surprised when they discover it is an accordion. Accordions are far more useful instruments in many other styles of music, than just for polkas or \"Lady of Spain\" type of tunes, which they are so often stereotyped with.

Check out the MP3 demos of the accordions on our web site and see first hand just how versatile accordions really are. And also be sure and check out the acoustic and electric archtop guitars and tenor banjo MP3\'s as well. I firmly guarantee you will be delighted, and will see that these instruments are a must have in your instrument sample library collections!

Kip
Bardstown Audio www.bardstownaudio.com (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com\")

Bardstown Audio

08-23-2001, 04:46 PM

There are several older accordion sounds on the two CD collection of \"Classic Accordions\" from Bardstown Audio.

I do not have any MP3 demos of these older accordions on our web site. In the next few days, I will create some MP3 Demos of these older sounding accordions and get them up on our web site. www.bardstownaudio.com. (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com.\")

Thanks,

Kip
Bardstown Audio www.bardstownaudio.com (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com\")

Bardstown Audio

08-24-2001, 01:06 PM

I would like to say a few things about the MP3 demos of the archtop guitars, tenor banjos, and accordions.

These MP3\'s were processed at 128 kb, which is a lower grade of audio quality. I did this for several reasons... Quicker loading time for people who are using dial-up internet connections, less space taken up on our web site, and some people may not have the necessary codec on their computer to listen to above 128 kb MP3\'s.

If several of you feel as though it is necessary to hear higher quality MP3\'s at 256 kb, either post your opinions on this forum or email me your thoughts, and I will consider processing these MP3\'s at 256 kb.

Thanks,

Kip
Bardstown Audio www.bardstownaudio.com (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com\")

nicholash

08-24-2001, 04:04 PM

Hi Kip,

I thought the mp3 demos sounded fine at 128 kbps.

I use a dial-up internet connection, which is still much more common in the UK than broadband.

If you have enough web space, you may want to put both 128 kbps and 256 kbps versions on your site, so people can decide which to download themselves.

Best regards
Nicholas

Dr. Hook

08-24-2001, 06:30 PM

Everyone, these guys (Richardson, Dean, et al) are right on. I\'ve heard a lot of good, also a lot of so-so samples, and I have to say, these are absolutely the best yet.

My internet computer is hooked up to dinky little speakers, so when I heard the real samples played on a real system, it was \"Sweet Mama!\"

The guitars and banjos blew me away, you\'d swear they were the real thing, believe it, they\'re some of the very few out there that are good enough for solos. They\'re exciting, they\'re precise, versatile and suitable for all sorts of music, not just jazz.

PS
If my Better Half is reading this, the accordions samples would make the perfect birthday gift.

Bardstown Audio

08-24-2001, 08:00 PM

Nicholash, thank you for your input. I will give some thought as to whether to do either 128 kb MP3\'s, which are currently up on our site, or substituting them with 256 kb MP3\'s.

I do not really have space to do both, considering I will be starting to put up MP3 demos of the \"Classic Grand Pianos\" in a few weeks, in addition to the guitars, banjos, and accordions. There are three different Concert Grand Pianos which will be completed in the next month or so. I will be doing several MP3 demos of each of these pianos... Steinway Model D, Bosendorfer Imperial, and Baldwin SD10.

In addition to the MP3\'s of the \"Classic Grand Pianos,\" I will be putting up some more accordion demos in the next few days.

Several people are interested in older sounding accordions, which are on the \"Classic Accordions\" double CD collection as well. I did not initially put up any demos of these older sounding accordions, considering all of the work involved in producing demos, of not only accordions, but archtop guitars and tenor banjos as well. There are several other accordions in the \"Classic Accordions\" collection which are not yet featured on the demo page of our web site.

Thanks,

Kip
Bardstown Audio www.bardstownaudio.com (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com\")

Bardstown Audio

08-24-2001, 08:03 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Dr. Hook:
Everyone, these guys (Richardson, Dean, et al) are right on. I\'ve heard a lot of good, also a lot of so-so samples, and I have to say, these are absolutely the best yet.

My internet computer is hooked up to dinky little speakers, so when I heard the real samples played on a real system, it was \"Sweet Mama!\"

The guitars and banjos blew me away, you\'d swear they were the real thing, believe it, they\'re some of the very few out there that are good enough for solos. They\'re exciting, they\'re precise, versatile and suitable for all sorts of music, not just jazz.

PS
If my Better Half is reading this, the accordions samples would make the perfect birthday gift.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dr. Hook,

Thank you for your kind words and compliments!

Kip
Bardstown Audio www.bardstownaudio.com (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com\")

Neal Keane

08-24-2001, 10:21 PM

Kip, the banjos and archtop sound terrific! Any chance for a mandolin in the future?

It may be how it\'s being played, but the accordion sounds pretty static...I miss the bellow movement. Possibly it requires multi velocity layers...the tone needs to get buzzier the harder the air blows through the reeds.

[This message has been edited by Neal Keane (edited 08-24-2001).]

Bardstown Audio

08-25-2001, 12:48 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Neal Keane:
Kip, the banjos and archtop sound terrific! Any chance for a mandolin in the future?

It may be how it\'s being played, but the accordion sounds pretty static...I miss the bellow movement. Possibly it requires multi velocity layers...the tone needs to get buzzier the harder the air blows through the reeds.

[This message has been edited by Neal Keane (edited 08-24-2001).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi Neal,

Thank you for your compliments! Yes, it is possible that I may produce some sampled mandolins in the future. I would love to do some of the \"pre Lloyd Loar\" Gibson mandolins, such as the vintage A4 and F4 models before the 1920\'s.

Concerning the accordions, I will mention that I have been a professional accordion musician for close to thirty years. You say you miss hearing the bellow movement. When an accordion is played properly by a skilled professional accordion musician, you should NEVER hear the movement of the bellows, no more than you should ever hear rough bowing movement on a violin, such as you do with beginners and non-professionals.

Accordion bellow control is very comparable to bowing control on a violin. When properly played, bellow movement should always be smooth, and never rough. You never change direction of the bellow movement in the middle of a sustained note or phrase, no more than you would change the direction of the bow on a violin in the middle of a sustained note or phrase. Dynamics, phrasing, and volume are also controlled with the bellows as well, just as they are with the bow on a violin.

Most people I hear in many public places playing an accordion are non-professional, and I do hear rough, jagged bellow control. The accordion is a very beautiful instrument in the hands of a professional, but it can be an absolutely horrible and hellacious sound in the hands of an amateur. For this reason, this is why accordions have been the source or jokes and ridicule over the years.

You also say the tone needs to get \"buzzier\" the harder the air blows through the reeds. \"Cheap\", \"low grade\" accordions do sound buzzy and screechy when more air is forced through the reeds. On the other hand, \"top of the line\" professional accordions such as the ones I have sampled for the \"Classic Accordions\" giga CD\'s, do not get \"buzzier\" when more air is forced through the reed blocks. The tone stays pretty much the same, regardless of volume and air flow through the reed blocks.

The accordions that I have sample recorded on the \"Classic Accordions\" giga CD\'s are all \"top of the line\" professional vintage instruments from the 1950\'s and early 60\'s, when accordion production was at its highest quality, in terms of materials used and \"hand made\" construction by skilled craftsmen. All of these accordions on the \"Classic Accordions\" giga CD\'s are valued in excess of $10,000 each. Most accordions, which people are playing in various music groups that I have observed over the years, are \"beginner\" and \"student grade\" accordions.

The giga \"Classic Accordions\" two CD set very accurately captures the true sound of these high quality vintage accordions.

Thank you,

Kip
Bardstown Audio www.bardstownaudio.com (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com\")

Neal Keane

08-25-2001, 12:33 PM

Understood, Kip. Your points are well taken. However, I still would like to hear more ebb and flow in the dynamics of the demo (I don\'t mean rough bellow movements...although those sounds could be useful as well).

As far as the tone/volume changes...I guess its time to upgrade my DaVinci...better yet, I\'ll order your \"Classic Accordions\" set http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif.

Neal

Bardstown Audio

08-25-2001, 03:21 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Neal Keane:
Understood, Kip. Your points are well taken. However, I still would like to hear more ebb and flow in the dynamics of the demo (I don\'t mean rough bellow movements...although those sounds could be useful as well).

As far as the tone/volume changes...I guess its time to upgrade my DaVinci...better yet, I\'ll order your \"Classic Accordions\" set http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif.

Neal <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Neal, the sampled accordions on the demo tunes work and sound perfect for those music styles. As I have already said in my previous posting, I am a professional accordion musician, and have been for close to thirty years. I am regarded by many as being one of the better accordion musicians in this country. Therefore, I do know what I am talking about.

To my ears and to the ears of other professional accordion musicians, the \"ebb and flow\" of the sampled accordions on the demos are identical to real accordions.

If I were to record these same demo tunes with real accordions, they would sound the same, and also in your terminology, \"ebb and flow\" as well.

Since you have made these statements, I will elaborate a bit further... There is a small minority of people who play accordions in a very aggressive manner, and literally \"attack\" the accordion in a barbaric way. I have known a few of these sorts over the years. They do not act, nor do they play the accordion like a normal musician. I have never seen other musicians who play other musical instruments, sax, guitar, trumpet, bass, piano, etc., who act and play this way, unless they are on drugs.

These type of people who play accordions in this manner have an attitude. They want to \"show off\" and \"get right up in your face\" with the accordion. They like to be constantly moving around while they are playing, as though they have spiders crawling in their pants. The message they project is as though they are saying and thinking, \"Hey, look at me,\" \"look at how great I am,\" \"look at how great I play this accordion!\"

Personally, I am not at all impressed with this sort of person. The type of sound they produce in their playing is very obnoxious. They come across being more like a clown, than a musician. These types of people have been very instrumental in making accordions the source of jokes and ridicule over the years.

When played properly and with dignity, the accordion is a very beautiful instrument.

Kip
Bardstown Audio www.bardstownaudio.com (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com\")

[This message has been edited by Bardstown Audio (edited 08-25-2001).]

Nick Phoenix

08-26-2001, 01:54 PM

Here here!

Neal Keane

08-26-2001, 11:21 PM

Kip posted:
Personally, I am not at all impressed with this sort of person. The type of sound they produce in their playing is very obnoxious. They come across being more like a clown, than a musician.

Yeah...but, Kip, how do you really feel? http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif J/K

I certainly don\'t doubt your expertise and do appreciate your passion. Although I am not a professional accordionist, I am a professional pianist and have played accordion for 20 years. Even though you would like to see it stamped out, I\'m only suggesting that since the \"ants in your pants\" style exists then, at some point, there\'s gonna be a need to present it (in the Hollywood context). Of course, your position is clear on this, so, hopefully some other developer can accommodate the style.

Thanks for expounding on the style differences!

BTW, what do you call a drummer who can\'t play?....

[This message has been edited by Neal Keane (edited 08-27-2001).]

Bardstown Audio

08-27-2001, 01:04 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Neal Keane:

Yeah...but, Kip, how do you really feel? http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif J/K

I certainly don\'t doubt your expertise and do appreciate your passion. Although I am not a professional accordionist, I am a professional pianist and have played accordion for 20 years. Even though you would like to see it stamped out, I\'m only suggesting that since the \"ants in your pants\" style exists then, at some point, there\'s gonna be a need to present it (in the Hollywood context). Of course, your position is clear on this, so, hopefully some other developer can accommodate the style.

Thanks for expounding on the style differences!

BTW, what do you call a drummer who can\'t play?....

[This message has been edited by Neal Keane (edited 08-27-2001).][/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well... Neal, since you asked how I really feel, here goes...

There are a lot of things that have been done musically with accordions, and also other musical instruments in the past and present that I do not personally care for... But for the sake of not having to write a whole book on this forum, I will keep it brief.

There are all sorts of novelty things which can be done on any musical instrument. Just like you, I am also a professional pianist, in addition to vibraphonist, marimbist, accordionist, and to a certain extent, guitarist as well.

You can put thumb tacks on the hammers of a piano if you like a \"clinky\" sounding piano. At the same time you can also stick a kazoo in your mouth and fasten cymbals to your knees and play all three of these instruments at the same time, including the piano with the thumb tack hammers. I am sure there would have to be some people somewhere who would really enjoy this sound and performance. No doubt, this has been done in the past, and most likely it has been done on the \"Ted Mac Amateur Show\" in the 1950\'s, and probably on the same \"Ted Mac Amateur Show,\" which also featured some aspiring accordionist doing \"bellow shakes\" on \"Lady of Spain.\"

In one of your previous postings, you said the accordion samples need to have a buzzier sound when more air is forced through the bellows, and I indicated to you that \"cheap,\" low grade accordions do sound buzzy when you force a lot of air through the bellows. However, there is one thing that I failed to mention... there are Cajun people who play \"button box\" accordions, and they butcher these accordions with some sort of mechanical devices installed on the reed blocks in order to get a buzzing sound along with the sound of the reeds. If you are ever in southern Louisiana, you may want to check this out. By the way, if you do decide to make this trip to southern Louisiana in order to seek out those buzzing Cajun \"button box\" accordions, don\'t forget to take plenty of mosquito repellant, and watch out for the alligators....

If you want sampled sounds of cheap low quality buzzing accordions, do not buy the two CD set of \"Classic Accordions.\" But on the other hand, if you do want sampled sounds of high quality accordions, this is the accordion sample library to buy.

Neal, don\'t forget to send me a post card from southern Louisiana while you are there on your trip. My P.O. Box address is on my web site.

Thank you,

Kip
Bardstown Audio www.bardstownaudio.com (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com\")

[This message has been edited by Bardstown Audio (edited 08-27-2001).]

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Bardstown Audio

08-27-2001, 08:20 PM

Previous Quote from me.....

<<<<<<\"there are Cajun people who play \"button box\" accordions, and they butcher these accordions with some sort of mechanical devices installed on the reed blocks in order to get a buzzing sound along with the sound of the reeds. If you are ever in southern Louisiana, you may want to check this out. By the way, if you do decide to make this trip to southern Louisiana in order to seek out those buzzing Cajun \"button box\" accordions, don\'t forget to take plenty of mosquito repellant, and watch out for the alligators\">>>>>>>>
....End of quote....

I got to thinking about this quote in my previous posting. I hope I did not offend anyone from southern Louisiana. I certainly did not mean to do that. If I have offended anyone from southern Louisiana, please accept my apology.

My very best friend is from southern Louisiana, and there are many other very nice people from there as well. I was merely trying to make a point in the last post when I made reference to southern Louisiana, but perhaps it was not a very good example.

I did make a sale to a gentleman from that part of the country a couple of weeks ago, and he says the \"Classic Accordions\" giga CD\'s are \"right on\" for Cajun music. For Cajun music, he especially likes the full \"master\" accordion sounds with all four sets of reeds open and playing. At the moment, I do not have any of these particular accordion sounds on our MP3\'s demo page. I will be doing some demos of these particular accordions in the next few days and getting them up on our MP3\'s page of www.bardstownaudio.com (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com\")

Thank you,

Kip
Bardstown Audio www.bardstownaudio.com (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com\")

Rap Master C

09-02-2001, 09:07 AM

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We have several MP3 demos of the archtop guitars, tenor banjos, and accordions posted at this link.
http://www.bardstownaudio.com/mp3.html (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com/mp3.html\")

Kip
Bardstown Audio www.bardstownaudio.com (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com\")

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These samples are awesome!
I have been to Kip\'s studio and he is an absolute perfectionist. He has the very finest in recording equipment. His microphones, pre amps, computers, software are the best that money can buy. It\'s easy to understand why this collection sounds so real!
Thank you Kip for creating such a hit.

Bardstown Audio

09-02-2001, 01:42 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Rap Master C:

These samples are awesome!
I have been to Kip\'s studio and he is an absolute perfectionist. He has the very finest in recording equipment. His microphones, pre amps, computers, software are the best that money can buy. It\'s easy to understand why this collection sounds so real!
Thank you Kip for creating such a hit.

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Rap Master C,

Thank you for your compliments!

Kip
Bardstown Audio www.bardstownaudio.com (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com\")