Two new libraries coming soon!

[donnie]

DS Soundware is proud to announce two new titles in our percussion collection!

Release date is Mid Summer

Sean and I having been working very hard developing what we feel is a major step forward realism for sampled instruments. I think I can speak for Sean when I say it\'s days like today when all the hard work pays off and you really feel like you\'ve done something special. I can not beging to tell you how excited we are about these two libraries.

The first is a Orchestral Accessories library. This library will run the full scope of standard orchestral acces. instruments such as: tambourines, triangles, castanets, etc.

With all instruments you will have a choice of the following:

Close mic\'ed flat
Close mic\'ed proccessed
Distant mic\'ed flat
Distant mic\'ed proccessed

After much deliberation and getting feedback for our users ALL files will be mono. After all in a real world setting you would mic these instruments with one mic anyway. The proccessed files will have the addition of our excellent outboard gear\'s eq and sometimes compression depending on the instrument.

SAMPLE BLOAT people!! Here\'s the good news!! Beta files have shown even with the following articulations that these instruments are extremely small. For example:

Bronze tambourine 20.1mb (total)

R,L skin head hits 16vel\'s
R.L wood hoop hits (tamb upside down) 16 vel.
Thumb Rolls, three durations, 4 vel
Shake Rolls, 4 vel
Single hand hits 32 vel\'s
Cres Rolls 4 durations
Decres Rolls 4 durations
Cres/Decres Swells 3 durations
and the cool one:
Fist/Knee hits 4vel\'s (this simulates the playing of the tamb with the fist and knee. This is the technique used in pieces like the Nutcracker, and Berlioz\'s Roman Carnival).

So all that is only 20.1 megs...not bad hugh

I have posted two demo\'s of the \"beta\" Bronze and Silver Tambourine\'s. I call this \"Tambourine Duet #1\". I have made two demo\'s one without reverb and one with reverb so you can hear how it sounds with digital reverb.

FYI...the fast loud playing at the end is the fist/knee technique.

With Reverb http://www.dssoundware.com/sounds/Tambwithreverb.mp3 (\"http://www.dssoundware.com/sounds/Tambwithreverb.mp3\")

Without Reverb http://www.dssoundware.com/sounds/Tambwithoutreverb.mp3 (\"http://www.dssoundware.com/sounds/Tambwithoutreverb.mp3\")

As always if anyone has input we are always glad to hear it!

Donnie



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[Simon Ravn]

Sounds very interesting Donnie. Damn I need more money I am getting behind on those libraries. I want your timp library, your marching lib, this one, Dan Dean Solo Woodwinds etc etc.... sigh... http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif But.. you mention two libraries in the topic - didn\'t you only talk about one here?

[meltingmars]

What\'s the 2nd library?

[donnie]

Oops sorry...I got so into describing the accesories that I forgot to mention the second one...

It is a snare drum library consisting of numerous high end drums of varying sizes with massive amounts of articulations. For example here is an incomplete list of the articulations:

R,L hands 32 vel\'s
R,L rim hits 32 vel\'s
Rolls (slow/med base and fast base) 8 vel\'s
Cres Rolls 4 durations
Decres Rolls 4 durations
Rim shots (stick on stick and stick across rim) 8 variations
Cres/Decres swells 4 durations
Rim clicks 8 vel\'s
Closed ruffs 16vel\'s
Open ruffs 16 vel\'s
3 stroke ruffs 16 vel\'s
and anything else we can think of...

Both of these libraries will be one disc and be very competitively priced.


Donnie

[tomhartman]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by donnie:
[B]
After much deliberation and getting feedback for our users ALL files will be mono. After all in a real world setting you would mic these instruments with one mic anyway. \"

With all due respect, that\'s like saying black and white TV represents the real world.

I\'m sorry to hear you\'ve decided not to go with stereo samples. The bottom line should not be how some engineers choose to mike an instrument, but how the instrument sounds to the human ear when heard in person. In the real world, we don\'t hear in mono (nor are orchestras miked in mono).

I use only stereo samples in my work. It has made all the difference in the world to how my music sounds. I\'d much rather have stereo samples, and no choice of \"processed or unprocessed.\" (and reverb is one of the most personal choices you can make) .

We can all process our samples...we can\'t however, turn them into stereo from mono. I hope you\'ll reconsider.




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[Nick Phoenix]

I prefer stereo too. Mono samples make mixing easier and more logical, but a mix using stereo samples, mixed properly, will usually sound better, or at least bigger. There are some exceptions to this.

[donnie]

Tom,

I must admit this is a very hard issue to settle on. I don\'t know if you know this or not but our first two libraries are all in stereo. Since then we have gotten a lot of feedback from users saying that they would much rather use mono files for percussion than stereo. Granted this is not everyone\'s opinion but it seems to be the majority.

As far as the processed versions are concerned maybe I wasn\'t clear enough. These particular files will have eq and sometimes compression (depending on the instrument) but NO reverb. The reason for this is that a lot of \"power\" users and users with little time or lack of experience in eq\'ing these instrumens will have quick access to pre processed instruments. Also there is a big difference between the outboard gear we are using and NFX eq or even \"Waves\" eq. This is a huge benifit to the consumer.

Believe me if enough people say that they would rather have stereo then we will reconsider. I think if you look at our track record we give our customers exactly what they ask for. Thanks for your input.


Donnie

[meltingmars]

Mono Mono Mono

What recording studio tracks a snare in stereo? Give me a break.

mars

[dandean]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by meltingmars:
Mono Mono Mono

What recording studio tracks a snare in stereo? Give me a break.

mars<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly. Sometimes there\'s a top and bottom head mic, but when have I ever seen a snare tracked in stereo? The 2 mics are mixed to mono. Also, with regard to percussion, like tambourine and triangle, I\'ve never seen anything BUT mono. With percussion in mono, you can more easily build an interesting pan with the instruments. Double a tambourine part and pan the 2 separate parts left and right, double a triangle part and split it hard left and right. I\'ve mixed a lot of tracks from all over the place over the years and the only stereo percussion things I\'ve ever run across are Congas, Bongos, Timbales and other instruments in pairs. Who wants to waste a track on a stereo triangle? Now a stereo vocal...there\'s an idea!

DD

[tomhartman]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by meltingmars:
Mono Mono Mono

What recording studio tracks a snare in stereo? Give me a break.

mars<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I and many other engineers I know have tracked snares in stereo for years. If you\'ll check around, you\'ll find that most of the top sampling libraries for drums are in stereo too....

Tell ya what. You record a tune with all mono drums. Then record it with stereo samples, and tell me which one sounds better. This is a real no brainer. All you need is ears.

[tomhartman]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by donnie:
[B]Tom,

I must admit this is a very hard issue to settle on. I don\'t know if you know this or not but our first two libraries are all in stereo. Since then we have gotten a lot of feedback from users saying that they would much rather use mono files for percussion than stereo. Granted this is not everyone\'s opinion but it seems to be the majority. \"

So let \'em mono the stereo sample out if they like mono. Again, we can\'t make a stereo sample out of a mono one.

To me it\'s a no brainer. If you check out most of the good drum CDs out there, they are in stereo, with mono versions for those who don\'t have the tracks, memory or whatever, also provided. Listen to a Bob Clearmountain ride or crash cymbal in mono, or a even his hi hats, then listen to the stereo version of the same sample. It\'s not even close.

I would just ask that you consider the fact that you can get to mono from stereo, but not the reverse. I guarantee anyone out there that if you record a whole kit of drum samples in mono for a given tune, then record that same tune, with the same samples in stereo, you would be hard pressed to find anyone that didn\'t find the stereo version more realistic....because that\'s how we hear....JMHO.

I\'ve heard great things about your library. I believe you guys are the ones coming out with the AKAI Percussion disk or am I confusing you with someone else? At any rate, this is no slight at your company. I am anxious to check out your other disks....the ones that are in stereo http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif

[tomhartman]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dandean:
[b] Exactly. Sometimes there\'s a top and bottom head mic, but when have I ever seen a snare tracked in stereo? The 2 mics are mixed to mono. \"

I\'m sorry you haven\'t seen it, but it goes on everyday. I\'ve done it for years, as have many other guys I\'ve known. Sometimes it does get down to how many tracks there are available, but when that isn\'t a problem, it\'s a great option to have. Try listening to a stereo snare sample, then listen to it mono. Put both samples in your track and AB them. I feel confident you\'ll hear t he difference, and it isn\'t small.

\"Also, with regard to percussion, like tambourine and triangle, I\'ve never seen anything BUT mono. With percussion in mono, you can more easily build an interesting pan with the instruments. Double a tambourine part and pan the 2 separate parts left and right, double a triangle part and split it hard left and right. I\'ve mixed a lot of tracks from all over the place over the years and the only stereo percussion things I\'ve ever run across are Congas, Bongos, Timbales and other instruments in pairs. Who wants to waste a track on a stereo triangle? Now a stereo vocal...there\'s an idea!\"


Where have you been?

Stereo vocals are done all the time...Michael Jackson came to a studio I worked out of in Florida and insisted all his vocals be tracked in stereo.

Tracks of groups with layered harmonies are awesome in stereo, as well. Have the singers split harmonies, record it in stereo, then double it. It\'s huge, and you can double and pan it all day in mono and never get that sound.

Re the percussion, again, wasting an extra track hasn\'t been a problem for me. If it is for you, I understand, and sure, for the most part, stuff like tambs and the like will sound fine. The idea of doubling a triangle and panning it hard left and right, verses recording one good triangle hit in stereo, is a question of whether you\'re looking for realism or something else. I\'d prefer to hear the one triangle. For you, the doubled one works better. Who cares? No one is right or wrong here if we are given a choice. But if MONO is the only option, then realism gets the short end of the stick. The end result with stereo samples is a mix with a much greater sense of space that the panned mono stuff cannot duplicate.

I do not quite understand why DS can\'t supply mono and stereo versions, which most other sampling CDs have done for years....that way, the mono fans can do what they want....and the stereo guys are happy too.

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[donnie]

Tom,

Just so theres no confusion let me say again. We have always been and always will be open to our customers suggestions. Thats why we have planned to do these accessories in mono only AND give the option of close/distant mic\'ing as well as close/distant processed files.

However, if we see that there are indeed lots of people who want stereo then thats what we\'ll do.

Heck, if you want to start a poll of your own and see what people have to say http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Donnie

[KingIdiot]

ahem...

I\'d like Mono personally, just because its a bit easier to place \"within\" effects and a mix later.....BUT...You might want to consider a \"second mic\" option for stereo guys.... tho I\'m not sure that triggering two samples panned hard l/r would result in a phase locked/sample accurate stereo sound.....

I MOSTLY record close mic\'d snare in MONO (one top one bottom, but center panned) Summed stereo will never sound the same as single close mic (and picking channels and reprogramming is a hassle)

now if you guys were doing room ambience,..then of course stereo http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif ... but you knew that already look at your other libraries)

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Really...I am an Idiot

[tomhartman]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by donnie:
Tom,

Just so theres no confusion let me say again. We have always been and always will be open to our customers suggestions. Thats why we have planned to do these accessories in mono only AND give the option of close/distant mic\'ing as well as close/distant processed files.

Donnie<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks Donnie for your feedback. It\'s great when companies stay this in touch with their customers.

Obviously the whole mono thing is rooted in the days when no one had the luxury of more t han one t rack for a given instrument, not in a quest for reality. You notice that some of the replies up here speak of a mono track being easier to place within effects, and that may be so, but I\'m not certain how many effects I\'d want on a tambourine, for instance http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif

Re the survey, I think that no matter what final tally you got up here, it would be a small representation overall, which is why most companies offer their samples in stereo. Again, for anyone interested, pick up Bob Clearmountain Drum samples--he also a percussion disk-- and check out the sounds. The disks offer both mono and stereo versions. Close miked, farther away, and farther yet. With overheads, without overheads, with overheads compressed, without overheads compressed etc. It\'s a good reference point, and the difference between using one of the stereo snares, vs. the monos, is large.

[tomhartman]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KingIdiot:
ahem...

I\'d like Mono personally, just because its a bit easier to place \"within\" effects and a mix later.....BUT...You might want to consider a \"second mic\" option for stereo guys.... tho I\'m not sure that triggering two samples panned hard l/r would result in a phase locked/sample accurate stereo sound.....

I MOSTLY record close mic\'d snare in MONO (one top one bottom, but center panned) Summed stereo will never sound the same as single close mic (and picking channels and reprogramming is a hassle)

now if you guys were doing room ambience,..then of course stereo http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif ... but you knew that already look at your other libraries)

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I understand your position, although \"placing\" a snare in a mix is a matter of volume, not panning, unless you\'re suggesting you do a lot of mixes with snares somewhere other than center in the mix http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif

When you mention room ambience, this is anotther poiint....many t imes when a kit is otherwise miked in mono, those overheads, in stereo, are brought up fairlly high in the mix, giving a quasi stereo vibe to the whole kit. Constructing a mix from separate drum samples all in mono will not give you this, either.

That is the funniest sig line I\'ve read in awhile.... http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/wink.gif

[KingIdiot]

Tom,

I agree Volume is more key to placement than stereo/mono, but I actually like that real \"narrow\" close mic\'d sound http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif and still even, I sometimes put a MONO reverb placed behind/on top of it to give it that \"distant\" sound but not taking up the whole stereo spectrum.

Anyhow, Donnie was stating that the instruments would be Close Mic\'d, which *I* would like in Mono (and we all know that only I count http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif). While stereo would sound great for solo Tambourine I just wouldn\'t want it ALWAYS in stereo, not to mention the added hassle of poly (yeah I know its only one more note on a solo percussion sound...but after layering more and more .. well .. you know http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif)

Still depending on how its programmed/space/micing techniues/blah blah. I\'m sure The guys at DS..er.. Christian/Lane er... uhm.. I\'m sure Donnie and Sean will figure it out and give us a purty damned good percussion library. I still have to get my hands on Ult Orch Perc...and man I want the MArching lib...and now the Snare lib..that is gonna be fun making ensembles out of those patches...well if they are in Mono MWAHAHAHAHAHA

PS. thx for the sig compliment I love it as well

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Really...I am an Idiot

[donnie]

One thing I learned real fast in this industry is that the key to success is taking away anything you think the customer might complain about. The only hard part to this, of course, is guessing what that is going to be http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

In this case however I think it\'s evident and we would be crazy not to listen. Although in this forum it appears to be a minority on the stereo samples there is still a minority which translates into people that want stereo! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

So I\'ll make sure there is both in the library. However we will probably have to cut either close/distant or non processed/processed. I think I know what the answer is going to be but I\'ll throw it up anyway.

Thanks for the input,

Donnie

PS. King, There\'s a long funny story behind the \"Christian/Lane\" name thing but just so you know it wasn\'t our idea....too long of a story http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

[donnie]

Oh, and Tom, I\'ll go ahead and take your pre-order now for the first copy! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Donnie

[Haydn]

Is the snare library for orchestral work? I like the idea of mono samples for some of the percussion instruments as I\'m constantly running out of polyphony.

Any idea on price range of these new libraries? I\'m still trying to save up money for the Timpani library.

[donnie]

Haydn,

It will mainly be for orchestral work however we will have some extra snares on there too such as field drums, piccolo snares, marching snare, etc. As far as price is concerned we have settled on anything but I am guessing around the $149 range.

Donnie

[SCARBEE]

\"I was also surprised to hear that Hans Zimmer blew off the Giga sampler and went back to his wall of Rolands.\"

Where have you read that?

Thomas

[tomhartman]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SCARBEE:
\"I was also surprised to hear that Hans Zimmer blew off the Giga sampler and went back to his wall of Rolands.\"

Where have you read that?

Thomas <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is a site for the Roland 5080:
http://www.lakewoodsoftware.com/XV-5080/ (\"http://www.lakewoodsoftware.com/XV-5080/\")

and there was thread up there about it recently...do a search. I was surprised...although to be fair, Zimmer has about 800 Roland 760s and some 5080s, so he may just be used to working a certain way...

[tomhartman]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by donnie:
Oh, and Tom, I\'ll go ahead and take your pre-order now for the first copy! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Donnie<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I think it\'s absolutely amazing that you would take this attitude, I\'m very impressed that you are this open minded to all of us. And all this without ever having heard any of your samples!

I will definitely be interested in the CD. At this point I\'m using a Roland 5080 for sample playback, and it necessitates me getting the AKAI version, which the Roland reads. I am strongly considering making the leap to the Giga sampler in the next few weeks, so I haven\'t bought anything until the decision is firmed up on what format to go with. I\'ve been somewhat scared of the Giga, being a Mac guy, but others using Macs up here have been fine with it. I was also surprised to hear that Hans Zimmer blew off the Giga sampler and went back to his wall of Rolands. But in the end, I believe it will be a great answer for me.

I will definitely buy your CD...in one of the formats, and again, it\'s great that you listen to feedback from users. You\'ll have no problems with sales with this kind of close contact and response to the folks who buy your products!

[SCARBEE]

I have not been able to find anything about the Hans Zimmer leaving Giga - it might be a \"duck\". Since he is NemeSys biggest \"power-user\" they would probably be very keen on finding out about this...

Anyway - Giga is still very cool.

Thomas

[dandean]

I went to the site listed and looked for information on Hans Zimmer leaving Gigastudio in favor of the new Roland 5080. I can\'t find anything. Where is it? If he indeed is leaving the Giga platform, I\'d like to know about it.

Later,
DD

[Nick Phoenix]

I thought the snare library was orchestral. In that case I would have prefered stereo. Rock snares are usually mic\'ed in mono, BUT what about the overheads? Tough question really.
I would be very suprised if Hans Z. would ditch his gigastudios for Roland 5080s. I have a 5080 and it is cool but a hassle to use. Doesn\'t crash when you overload the polyphony, though. HINT HINT NEMESYS! IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE? http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/rolleyes.gif

[donnie]

Ok, back to the subject of sampling....

Anyway I just found out today that I am going to have access to just about every vintage orchestral snare imaginable. I am jumping up and down that I am going to have access to these drums. Recording starts tommorrow!!!!!

oh, in mono AND stereo http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Donnie

[meltingmars]

What happened to the rock snares you had mentioned a while back?

That\'s what I was waiting for.

cheers,
mars

[donnie]

Mars,

Thats in the drumset library....also coming soon (end of summer)

Donnie

[tomhartman]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dandean:
I went to the site listed and looked for information on Hans Zimmer leaving Gigastudio in favor of the new Roland 5080. I can\'t find anything. Where is it? If he indeed is leaving the Giga platform, I\'d like to know about it.

Later,
DD<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That\'s definitely where I read it...it was in a thread...let\'s see...perhaps about the AKAI...let me go do some checking. The guy who contributed to the thread sounded very informed...almost like he knew the situation out there well. Who knows, could be a rumor. But I do know that Hans has used Roland a long time...I believe this poster also mentioned that he had a couple of EMUs. Face it, when you\'re that successful, you have a couple of everything. Let me see what I can go find....

[tomhartman]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nick Phoenix:
I thought the snare library was orchestral. In that case I would have prefered stereo. Rock snares are usually mic\'ed in mono, BUT what about the overheads? Tough question really.
I would be very suprised if Hans Z. would ditch his gigastudios for Roland 5080s. I have a 5080 and it is cool but a hassle to use. Doesn\'t crash when you overload the polyphony, though. HINT HINT NEMESYS! IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE? http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


The thread didn\'t say he ditched in favor of a 5080. It said something like \"has gone back to his Rolands.\" Hans has a wall full of Roland 760s that he used and spoke about during his scoring of \"Lion King.\" I\'m going to go try and find the thread and will post it here if I am successful...

[tomhartman]

OK, part of what I read is in a thread on the 5080 Forum called \"5080 For Sale...Ugh\"...you have to go to the archives, not the current messages.

They talk about Zimmer there a little bit. There was another post that was very specific, and that one I haven\'t been able to find.

The guys at Soundchaser tell me Zimmer has a number of Giga systems, and that he uses them regularly. Who knows. In fact, most of the time Zimmer is replacing the samples with real orchestra anyway, so I suppose it\'s all a bit moot....

[Simon Ravn]

Who gives a feck about Hans Zimmer - he\'s some hack anyway. 1% of his stuff is good though....

To return to the thread a bit.... 32 layers of velocity Donnie, is that some typo? http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif I thought there was a max of 8 or so in GigaStudio? 32 sounds uhm.. amazing!! and something I would not envy anyone having to program and match up samples for http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif)

[donnie]

Simon,

Nope it\'s no misprint...Here is the list of the snare stuff that got recorded today....

R,L hands 32 vel\'s
R,L Ultra staccato (more on this later)
Rolls (slow/med base) 4 vel\'s
Rolls (fast base) 4 vels
Stick on rim rimshots 8 vel\'s
Stick on stick rimshots 8 vels\'
Cres. 4 durations
Decres 4 durations
Cres/Decres Swell (to mf) 3 durations
Cres/Decres Swell (to ff) 3 durations
R,L rim hits 16 vel\'s
Closed Ruffs 8 vel\'s
Open Ruffs 8 vel\'s
3 stroke Ruffs 8 vel\'s
Fp Roll
Fp Long Cres
Fp Med. Cres
Fp Short Cres.

That should just about take care of everybody! http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

Donnie

PS...I\'ll have a detailed .mp3 demo (hopefully tonight) with playing of the samples and explinations of everything.

[SCARBEE]

Of course Hans Zimmer is using his Gigastudio\'s!
The Roland user who wrote the stuff about this, also regrets on this next mail and says:
\"forget all that I have wrote about the Giga story\"

It kind of says it all...

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[ondrej]

Tom,
with all the respect, when reading your posts I couldn\'t get rid of the feeling you do not work with GigaStudio. And then in one of the later posts it turned out to be true.

Because unless you owe the latest, fastest computer or work with more GigaStudio systems like Hans Zimmer does and unless you\'ve got a wall of outboard equipment, you will be happy that you can use mono samples. This is especially true if you do orchestral arrangements (and the library discussed here is orchestral after all) and when you run both the GigaStudio and a sequencer on the same system. If you for instance try to do bit of Mozart you can easily use-up some 80 voices of polyphony even with majority of samples being mono (but I admit this counting includes crossfading). And with my system (not the newest and not the fastest) the 80 note polyphony is about as far as I can go before my system crashes (out of overworking).

That is not to say the mono samples are better than the stereo ones. It is just that they are, at least for me, far more practical. But I too like the idea to be able to choose. Usually mono but sometimes stereo, for some small arrangemet....

Ondrej

[SCARBEE]

Yeah, back to topic!

Donnie - can\'t wait to hear the Drumset library!

Thomas

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[tomhartman]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ondrej:
Tom,
with all the respect, when reading your posts I couldn\'t get rid of the feeling you do not work with GigaStudio. And then in one of the later posts it turned out to be true.

Because unless you owe the latest, fastest computer or work with more GigaStudio systems like Hans Zimmer does and unless you\'ve got a wall of outboard equipment, you will be happy that you can use mono samples. T
That is not to say the mono samples are better than the stereo ones. It is just that they are, at least for me, far more practical. \"
Ondrej<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, here\'s how I feel about that.
It doesn\'t matter what platform you use. I\'ve been using Roland sample playback for years, and it\'s far more limited than the Gigasampler. I try, within deadlines and reality, not to produce my music based on how easy it is. I cannot load everything I want to load at once. So I load what I can, record it, dump that from memory, and load more. When I get the Gigasampler, I will have to do the same thing, just less of it.
All of it is in stereo, save for the occasional odd track like a kick drum in pop stuff. Virtually all orchestral stuff, and I do a lot of it, is made up of stereo samples. For me, it just sounds more realistic and gives a larger sense of soundstage to the final result, even in pop stuff. It does limit your panning ability, but many of the samples are sampled in such a way that they are already panned, i.e., a stereo hi-hat that is sampled with the hat to the listener\'s right, for instance, which is where I would have placed it anyway.

I will be using Gigasampler as a sample playback device in the room. All sequencing and recording is done in Pro Tools, on a Mac. So hopefully that will take some heat off the system, and I will try to buy the fastest PC I can get, probably going to Soundchaser and taking their advice.

I\'m not saying there is no use for mono samples, of course there is. That\'s why the best solution is to follow what other CD companies have been doing all along, providing both, which Donnie indicated they may end up doing. Then we are all happy....thanks for your input.

[This message has been edited by tomhartman (edited 06-16-2001).]

[This message has been edited by tomhartman (edited 06-16-2001).]