GigaStudio 160 / Cubase VST/24 3.7r2 Problems

[Lougheed]

I have used GigaSampler 1.6 with Cubase VST/24 3.7r2 extensively, with no problems, however I have run into two problems with GigaStudio and Cubase. I don\'t think they are related, but you never know.

First.
MIDI sequences now playback incorrectly. (Cubase, running from within GStudio, playing .GIG sounds). The playback pauses, stutters, slows down, seems to get worse as the playback proceeds, and definitely gets worse as you add tracks.

These are the exact same sequences and sounds that played back just fine with GigaSampler, and nothing else has changed, except that now I\'m using GStudio 160. I\'m assuming that SOMETHING needs to be adjusted, either in Cubase or GStudio. The question is what?

It seems like GStudio requires more horsepower than GSampler, but I\'m only talking MIDI here - no NFX, no audio etc.

I LOVE the improvements made in GStudio, and DON\'T want to go back to GigaSampler, but I\'ve got a project to complete, and the current state of affairs means that I\'ve got to find a solution quickly, or I\'m sunk!

Second problem.
When I first run Cubase (from within GStudio 160) and attempt to task switch back to GStudio, it takes 1min and 13 sec! (I timed it!)

Cubase goes dull, like it is not selected, and then - eventually - GStudio appears After that, task switching is instantaneous, as it should be.

ANY help or suggestions would be gretaly appreciated.

Lawrence Lougheed
lawrence.lougheed@sympatico.ca (\"lawrence.lougheed@sympatico.ca\")

[PaPa Chalk]

Have you tried converting all your files to 2.0 Lawrence . I have the same sequencer. The only thing diffrent now in my system setup is I have 550MHZ coppermine and 256 megs ram. If your speed and ram is lower, you could be correct about the horse power. I\'ve tried this system o/c at 7333mhz also and it works great.
Only thing I wish right now is for the effects to be assigned to midi channels rather than on the output channels. I could be missing something though.
:-)
PaPa Chalk

[Lougheed]

PaPa Chalk,

Yes, I have converted all files to V2.0. I am running a PIII-500 with 256MB, Cubase on one HDD, GIG\'s on the second HDD. Remember, I\'m just talking about MIDI here, no audio.

Are you getting the same problem with task switching (the first time, in each session) between Cubase and GStudio? If not, then there is something wrong with my setup.

Lawrence



[This message has been edited by Lougheed (edited 06-04-2000).]

[PaPa Chalk]

Try this page lawrence it might just help I\'m not getting the same result as you. So far so good.
http://www.studio201.com/cwu/support/vst/win95.html (\"http://www.studio201.com/cwu/support/vst/win95.html\")

Are there any audio tracks along with your sequences. It sounds like you may have to optimize your settings in cubase.
http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif
PaPa Chalk


[This message has been edited by PaPa Chalk (edited 06-04-2000).]

[Lougheed]

I\'ve already implemented most of the recommendations at www.studio201.com/cwu/support/vst/win95.html (\"http://www.studio201.com/cwu/support/vst/win95.html\")



Any and all audio tracks are MUTED. I have also tried turning off VST effects. I normally convert GigaSampler MIDI tracks to audio by using \"capture to wave\" and then apply FX to the audio tracks. When I capture, everything is muted, except for the SINGLE MIDI track being played.

This approach always worked with GigaSampler.

Lawrence

[This message has been edited by Lougheed (edited 06-04-2000).]

[PaPa Chalk]

What sound card and midi device do you have. my cubase loads/unloads almost instantaneous. Try deleting the audio tracks and effects, then save the song as a new file and see if there is any difference.
If there is a difference I would check the audio setting under system in cubase. If you can tell me what your settings are in cubase system setup i may be able to help
http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif
PaPa Chalk

[Lougheed]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>What sound card and midi device do you have.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

MIDI inteface = MOTU Midi Time Piece II
GStudio Audio Card = Ensoniq Audio (PCI)

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>my cubase loads/unloads almost instantaneous.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My Cubase loads/unloads normally. The problem is with task switching. These are the steps that I take:
1) run GigaStudio
2) run Cubase (by clicking on the \"Launch Sequencer\" icon in GStudio)
3) after Cubase has been launched, task switch (using Alt-Tab or clicking on the GStudio icon on the Win98 task bar). This is the point that I have to wait (for 1min 13sec). This only happens the first time (per session) - after that task switching back and forth is normal.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Try deleting the audio tracks and effects, then save the song as a new file and see if there is any difference.
If there is a difference I would check the audio setting under system in cubase.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I get the same problem with no file loaded (only the def.all). This is a MIDI problem, not audio! (IMHO)

Thanks for any further advice!

Lawrence



[This message has been edited by Lougheed (edited 06-05-2000).]

[PaPa Chalk]

Oh I see. The sound card maybe the problem. http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif I had the Ensoniq soundcard. In the past it worked well. When I upgraded to gigasampler 1.6 I had the same problems you are having with gigastudio. For some reason Other users were able to get it to work with GigaSampler 1.6 but I wasn\'t so lucky. I think what happened is I upgraded the card with a driver from creative and it never worked properly with cubase after that. by chance one day I booted into safe mode and looked at the drivers in device manager. There were at least five drivers for the same card coming up. After much frustration trying to erase the incorrect drivers I packed it in and switched to the sb live value. No problems since.

Try booting into safe mode and see if there are any extra drivers loaded for the ensoniq. What ever you do not load the new pci drivers from creative, stick to the original drivers that came with the ensoniq card.

Very intresting Lawrence I see what you mean with the task switching. http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/shocked.gif I seem to get the same problem only it changes a litle sooner more like 20sec still it\'s longer than you would expect. It only happens when you first open cubase after that it seems to work fine. I wonder if anyone else is getting the same result. If you do get the same result like myself and Lawrence please post here and let us know.
http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif
PaPa Chalk

[Lougheed]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Oh I see. The sound card maybe the problem.

Try booting into safe mode and see if there are any extra drivers loaded for the ensoniq. What ever you do not load the new pci drivers from creative, stick to the original drivers that came with the ensoniq card.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As far as I know, I\'m using the original drivers. How do you force Windows to boot into Safe Mode?


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Very intresting Lawrence I see what you mean with the task switching. http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/shocked.gif I seem to get the same problem only it changes a litle sooner more like 20sec still it\'s longer than you would expect.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wonder if changes sooner on your system, since you have a faster processor?

As soon as you advise about how to access safe mode, I\'ll check those drivers.

Thanks,
Lawrence

[Boydbob]

Lawrence
to access Safe-Mode hit the F8 key as the system is booting up.
(When you see \"Starting Window,\" but on a fast machine it goes by pretty quick, so I usually just tap the key while it\'s booting. You\'ll get a menu where you can select safe mode.

When you get there R-click My Computer, select properties. If you see any duplicte devices listed, you should delete them both.
If it\'s a system device, Windows will reinstall the one it needs when you reboot. For your sound card, you may have to reinstall it using your install disk.

It\'s pretty common to find extra drivers for things after any kind of upgrade and removing just one usually doesn\'t work.

Hope this short novel helps though.

Boyd

[Lougheed]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>First Problem.
MIDI sequences now playback incorrectly. (Cubase, running from within GStudio, playing .GIG sounds). The playback pauses, stutters, slows down, seems to get worse as the playback proceeds, and definitely gets worse as you add tracks.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Solved. When I checked the drivers in safe mode, there were double entries of the three drivers that install for the card:

1. ENSONIQ Audio PCI
2. ENSONIQ Audio PCI Legacy Device
3. Gamesport Joystick

When I removed all drivers, and reinstalled, the problem still existed. After disabling the ENSONIQ Audio PCI Legacy Device and Gamesport Joystick drivers, the problem was solved.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Second problem.
When I first run Cubase (from within GStudio 160) and attempt to task switch back to GStudio, it takes 1min and 13 sec!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No solution for this problem. Tech support sent me the following, so at least they are aware of the problem:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Second problem. I\'ll log this and we can research it. Task switching can take a small while if the sequencer is running but it should be instant when it is stopped. No answer on this at this time. We\'ll look into it though.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ANY other Cubase users having the slow task switching problems? We need to talk! Thanks.

Lawrence

[alex kharlamov]

Yes, same thing here - it takes my GStudio about 30 seconds to switch from VST the first time after I start VST from within Gigastudio. I\'m used to it by now, but it\'s like getting used to a sore on your body. My PC is pretty strong for things like this to happen normally, and considering that you all have the same problem, it seems like a Gigastudio-related problem. I hope it\'ll be fixed in the future. Let\'s wait to see if anyone from Nemesys will tell us anything good about this here... Maybe it would be a good idea to post a message on the Wishlist part of this forum.

[Lougheed]

Alex,

I only wish it was 30sec! In my case more than double that. It is like a sore that is being constantly picked at!

The other day I was using PG Music\'s New Age Pianist, playing some piano samples from GigaStudio, and the task switching was instant (the first time) as it should be. So it would seem that it is definitely a Cubase-GigaStudio problem.

I have contacted NemeSys about this, and they have \"logged\" it, whatever that means.

Lawrence

[TheBear]

Hi all,

Try this:

1. After bootup, first open GigaStudio.
2. Close GigaStudio.
3. Open Cubase.
4. Open GigaStudio.
5. Open other audio/midi utility programs.

This sequence of loading solved all my problems...

Let me know if this helps.

Good luck http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/smile.gif

[toby]

task switching problem also here. Only when Cubase is in play mode when switching. The dumb thing is that you can\'t stop Cubase while Windows is being busy switching the task. My time is approx. 30s

[alex kharlamov]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheBear:
Hi all,

1. After bootup, first open GigaStudio.
2. Close GigaStudio.
3. Open Cubase.
4. Open GigaStudio.
5. Open other audio/midi utility programs.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh... I just want to write my music, that\'s all! Why such torture?!! :-)

Anyway, I tried this before, and VST sometimes (at random times) will give me a few ASIO errors at its startup (driver not found, not loaded, etc) and then freeze up the whole PC./ I\'m using the latest Darla24 ASIO driver. So for me, starting GS and then VST works better so far, even though the switching delay is still there. Anyone else tried TheBear\'s suggestion?

[Lougheed]

It\'s pretty clear that the sequencer is supposed to be run from within GigaStudio, and I\'m not comfortable using the above approach for this reason.

A workaround should not be required. This is a bug that needs to be fixed.

At least some other Cubase users are having the same problem, which increases the chances of it being fixed. However, is this ALL Cubase users, or are some not experiencing the task switching problem?

Lawrence

[TheBear]

Hi again,

First, I\'m not here to make any bug fixing for Nemesys - just trying to give some help...

After spending some time with 5 different computers running win98SE, CubaseVST 3.65 TO 3.7rX and GigaStudio my list of bugs becomes bigger, BUT all those computers are working fine now (with minor problems...)

The real BIG problems I\'ve got :
1. After bootup trying to load cubase first got the BSOD (Blue Screen Of Death) error.

-This was solved by opening GStudio after bootup AND CLOSING IT. Now when opening Cubase everything is O.K.

2. Opening Cubase from GStudio and trying to go back to GStudio screen took 2 minutes for GStudio screen to draw.

-This was solved by (after first step) loading Cubase first and than GStudio.

On all computers I\'m using the Aardvark cards (24 and Pro)
and all of them are running and making music...

The problems are GStudio Bugs and are not related to any hardware driver, BUT since I\'m using Aardvark cards on all computer I\'ve tested, it might be that this \"solutions\" I\'ve found (till Nemesys will work it out...) are good only for me.

Last, GigaStudio IS the best thing happened to me and my customers. Hope that bugs will be fixed ASAP.

Hope that my \"solutions\" helps.

[alex kharlamov]

My solution (seriously, without trying to be a smartass). Start Gigastudio, start Cubase, load or save the song. After pressing Alt-Tab to switch to Gigastudio for the first time, I get up and go make a cup of tea to bring back. After 2-3 minutes (using a microwave), I come back with the tea, load my performance, etc, etc. Totally stress-free.

[Lougheed]

Alex,

I call that a work-around, not a solution!

I\'m following the same plan, switch, and then wait, since everything seems to work after that. At least we only have to wait the first time.

Lawrence