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sporter

07-24-2003, 08:00 PM

Make a lovely couple, I think.. images/icons/grin.gif

Check out my tune \"Shades of Blue\" using my two favorite gigs..The Bardstown Bosendorfer and Bigga Gigga\'s Tenor Sax.

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(no jokes about Kenny G... images/icons/smile.gif )

Alan Russell

07-25-2003, 05:59 AM

Sporter,

Man that Borsendorfer rings out like heaven.
Super job and quite feelingful. A match made in heaven - I agree!

Alan Russell

carlmsmith

07-25-2003, 06:15 AM

Fine song, fine performance, great-sounding libraries. Did I say I like it?
Carl

sporter

07-25-2003, 06:41 AM

Thanks guys. I do very little composing...I\'m usually making tracks for someone else\'s stuff..but I came up with this melody \'specially for the Bards and the Bigga Giggas sax.

Listening to it, the snare sounds a little harsh. I might ease up a bit on the reverb, and bring it back a bit in the mix. What do you guys think?

Alan Russell

07-25-2003, 06:52 AM

Sporter,

I actually like the volume of the snare here.
The BOSE sounds perfect here.
You might want to play around with the mix.
What sequencing software are you using?

Alan Russell

sporter

07-25-2003, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by Alan Russell:
Sporter,

I actually like the volume of the snare here.
The BOSE sounds perfect here.
You might want to play around with the mix.
What sequencing software are you using?

Alan Russell Alan, I use Cubase SX. What do you suggest on playing around with the mix. Something too loud...not loud enough...too much/too little dynamics?

Thanks, I really value your opinion!

Alan Russell

07-25-2003, 10:58 AM

Sporter,

Have you ever tried Samplitude Professional v7.2
A good friend of our says it is great!

Alan Russell

Bardstown Audio

07-26-2003, 12:07 AM

Sporter, the Bigga Giggas Sax does sound very good! Nice arrangement!

Kip McGinnis
Bardstown Audio
www.bardstownaudio.com (\"http://www.bardstownaudio.com\")

Isabella Rowlins

07-26-2003, 04:33 AM

Disregard, sorry.

Ben H

07-26-2003, 05:01 AM

I have both the Bigga Giggas Tenor + Alto Saxes myself and absolutely love them.

The Tenor sounds great in your piece.

;-)

Jazzhole

07-26-2003, 05:26 AM

Dude the tenor sax is among the most realistic ive heard in a sampled tune. Of course its not the real thing. And I do like the sound of the piano as well, think I might have to check out kips bosendorfer.

Cheers

Worra

07-26-2003, 05:54 AM

Originally posted by Ben H:
I have both the Bigga Giggas Tenor + Alto Saxes myself and absolutely love them.

The Tenor sounds great in your piece.

;-) Hi Ben.
Glad you like the saxes! And, yes.... the Alto is now released:

Bigga Giggas Alto Sax (\"http://www.biggagiggas.com/About%20Alto%20Sax.htm\")

sporter

07-26-2003, 06:08 AM

Originally posted by Jazzhole:
Dude the tenor sax is among the most realistic ive heard in a sampled tune. Of course its not the real thing. And I do like the sound of the piano as well, think I might have to check out kips bosendorfer.

Cheers Thanks, man. I really love both these samples. The Bardstown Bosendorfer is extremely versitile. It\'s such a sweet sound..it seems to fit anywhere.

sporter

07-26-2003, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by Worra:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ben H:
I have both the Bigga Giggas Tenor + Alto Saxes myself and absolutely love them.

The Tenor sounds great in your piece.

;-) Hi Ben.
Glad you like the saxes! And, yes.... the Alto is now released:

Bigga Giggas Alto Sax (\"http://www.biggagiggas.com/About%20Alto%20Sax.htm\") <hr /></blockquote>Hey Worra, I forgot to mention (don\'t shoot me)..the bridge is the trumpet and trombone from Bigga Gigga\'s Orchestral Brass.

sirbellog

07-26-2003, 02:18 PM

Hi Earthling,
are you sure you are from this planet ?
Here on Earth, it\'s true that sax sampling is quite a challenge....
But here on Earth, in this challenge, the BiggaGiga\'s Tenor is a very good contender, as far as sampled saxes are involved.
I own a k2500, and do know and like Kurzie\'s sounds... But saxes are just a joke on that synth. And I doubt K2600\'s ones are a revolution.
Don\'t know about the Motif, but the M1... LOL !!!
If I was suspicious, I could think you are a troll.

Ben H

07-26-2003, 07:17 PM

Indeed there are 2 camps, those that love their saxes processed and those that love them raw.

What you are reacting to is the effects on the sax, however all samples on the BG volumes are raw.

I fall into the latter catagory who like his saxes dry, so I have dried mine out a bit.

I am a sax player myself so I know how saxes sound and the variety of tones available.

However having played both for nearly a month, comparing with many other tone generators, including the XV saxes, Yammy Motif (which does have some nice sax patches), and others I find that these are far superior in terms of waveform quality, amount of articulations and playability.

Alan Russell

07-26-2003, 07:29 PM

Ben H,

I concur with what you have said about Yammy\'s Saxes. The only one I capitalize on is the Alto Sax (vib) out of the Motif 8 internal sounds.
If I can only find a Giga library sax so versitile that it can handle bebop tempos as well as ballads and has a quality that can make it stand out in front of 18 pieces when soloing, this is the reed for me. I am still waiting for this to materialize. I know what my sax should sound like. (Alto, Tenor, Bari Soprano etc..)
Maybe Yellowtools.com may have something brewing

Alan Russell

Ben H

07-26-2003, 07:42 PM

Cue: Enter the competition.

Yep, Yellow tools have just announced their 9GB, 2 DVD sax series covering soprano, alto, tenor, baritone and bass saxes (no sopranino) ;-)

Price: 399,- EUR
Shipping: 3rd quarter 2003

Read more about it at www.yellowtools.com (\"http://www.yellowtools.com\") website.

No demos available yet, should be interesting though.

I still stand by my BG saxes recommendation. The first 2 volumes are sheer quality e.g. NO naff waves, bad tuning, clicking loops etc.

sporter

07-26-2003, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by Earthling:
I don\'t know what you guys are listening to, but that has got to be the most artificial sounding solo tenor sax samples I\'ve ever listened to. The stock solo tenor sax in the Roland XV5080, and even the Motif sound more realistic then that IMHO...even the one in the Kurz K2600 is better.I have an old beat up Korg M1...that tenor sample even sounds more realistic. LOL, there never seems to be a consensus on sax samples, does there. But the M1? Man, you gotta be kidding...?!?! images/icons/shocked.gif

I do think the Motif has a great sax, and Alan Russell can make it sound sweet..but I\'ll take the BiggaGigga\'s anyday. And of course, everything in the K2600 sounds good...but still....

Thanks for the listen. images/icons/cool.gif

Worra

07-27-2003, 03:17 AM

Originally posted by Earthling:
I don\'t know what you guys are listening to, but that has got to be the most artificial sounding solo tenor sax samples I\'ve ever listened to. The stock solo tenor sax in the Roland XV5080, and even the Motif sound more realistic then that IMHO...even the one in the Kurz K2600 is better.I have an old beat up Korg M1...that tenor sample even sounds more realistic. Well, good for you! Then you don\'t need to spend money on this one.... images/icons/smile.gif
You can\'t argue with personal taste!

Alan Russell

07-27-2003, 07:00 AM

Worra,

I\'d make a side bet that if Dan Dean found a few great sax players (from Alto to Bari) having a superb source sound, he\'d be the one IMHO to create superb sax samples.

JMHO, others may differ.

Alan Russell

Alan Russell

07-27-2003, 07:01 AM

Worra

07-27-2003, 09:48 AM

Franky

07-27-2003, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by Alan Russell:
Worra,

I\'d make a side bet that if Dan Dean found a few great sax players (from Alto to Bari) having a superb source sound, he\'d be the one IMHO to create superb sax samples.

JMHO, others may differ.

Alan Russell Wow, the posts keep getting nicer and nicer around here....
That\'s one of the rudest things I think you could\'ve said to him, I\'d be damn insulted by a comment like that one if it would\'ve been directed at me , but then again that\'s just my humble opinion, others may differ......

Franky.

falcon1

07-27-2003, 04:34 PM

Alan Russell, that was a unfair punch!

Worra, develops great libs. and they have always a fair price tag. His BoB lib. is great one, it\'s not VSL or EWQLSO sound though. After all he didn\'t have tens of thousands bucks to develop his lib.

Now on-topic - I found the piece very good, a nice song and a nice arrangement. However, I think it would be possible to enhance the sound of the sax by some midi tweaking.

Ben H

07-27-2003, 08:18 PM

I am less and less impressed with bigger (not bigga) sample libraries these days.

It doesn\'t matter how big the samples are if they are bad source material, out of tune, badly looped, sure you may have a large library, but it\'s a large library of crap.

Worra & co deserves full credit for creating excellent sounding, well edited, playable instruments at an affordable price.

All the BG instruments just feel right to play

sporter

07-27-2003, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by Ben H:
Indeed there are 2 camps, those that love their saxes processed and those that love them raw.

What you are reacting to is the effects on the sax, however all samples on the BG volumes are raw.

I fall into the latter catagory who like his saxes dry, so I have dried mine out a bit.

I am a sax player myself so I know how saxes sound and the variety of tones available.

However having played both for nearly a month, comparing with many other tone generators, including the XV saxes, Yammy Motif (which does have some nice sax patches), and others I find that these are far superior in terms of waveform quality, amount of articulations and playability. Ben, I ran mine through UAD\'s Pultec Plug In. Real sax players probably have a better reference than me...I just turn knobs till I hear something I like. I might have used too much reverb...I don\'t know...it was a distant, lonely type sound I was after.

As far as the Motif goes, it sounds too thin to me...and again we\'re back to personal preferences. Most artificial saxes I\'ve heard...the Motif included...have a squeeky sound. To me Bigga Giggas has a richer sound, plus on long notes the tone seems to actually change over time, like a real sax. I think the vibrato is very unique on the BG, and adds a lot to what I consider a good sax sound.

Thanlks for your comments..