GigaStudio unstable?

[Simon Ravn]

I started working with GigaStudio now and immediate resonse was \'wow\'. However I can rarely get above 90 voices without note-stealing and clicks. I have a P3-700 and use two HD\'s for samples to help GStudio on the way: a 40GB Maxtor 7200 RPM IDE (fastest IDE HD today), running ATA-66, and an UW SCSI IBM. I\'ve tried optimizing here and there without any real improvement.
However the thing that bothers me the most is that GSampler was rock-stable, Gstudio doesn\'t seem to be. It has crashed on me about 3 times in 2 hours now with the same MSG32 (or something) message each time.
Am I the only one experiencing instability from GStudio and does Nemesys know about any bugs that could cause this? I am suspecting a combination of old converted samples that can cause instability and maybe when you begin maxing out GStudio\'s performance. I didn\'t experience any crashes until I did some heavy arrangements with some 140 voices probably running along.

Regards,
Simon

[Snowflake]

Hi Simon,

No, your not the only one with the same feeling... GigaSampler is much more stable than GigaStudio ( for sure on my system config... ).

I was running GigaSampler with Emagic Logic Audio with no problem at all. After installing GigaStudio, nothing work at all. The new Nemesys midi drivers seems not to work with Logic anymore http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/images/icons/blush.gif(..

I think I\'ll go back to GigaSampler \'till Nemesys fix their bugs...



<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Simon Ravn:
I started working with GigaStudio now and immediate resonse was \'wow\'. However I can rarely get above 90 voices without note-stealing and clicks. I have a P3-700 and use two HD\'s for samples to help GStudio on the way: a 40GB Maxtor 7200 RPM IDE (fastest IDE HD today), running ATA-66, and an UW SCSI IBM. I\'ve tried optimizing here and there without any real improvement.
However the thing that bothers me the most is that GSampler was rock-stable, Gstudio doesn\'t seem to be. It has crashed on me about 3 times in 2 hours now with the same MSG32 (or something) message each time.
Am I the only one experiencing instability from GStudio and does Nemesys know about any bugs that could cause this? I am suspecting a combination of old converted samples that can cause instability and maybe when you begin maxing out GStudio\'s performance. I didn\'t experience any crashes until I did some heavy arrangements with some 140 voices probably running along.

Regards,
Simon<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Ben Chase]

I too get those pops and klicks, well before my voices max out however. With my PII400 and baracuder this still happens.Especially with my Gigapiano.

So disappointed

Nemesys must fix this.

[Terry]

If the problem is solely Nemesys\', why am I not experiencing the same problems. I have a Dell Pentium II 450 with 256 meg ram. I have 2 Maxtor hard drives - a 13 meg 5400 and a 30 meg 7200. I even have them hooked up backwards. I am using the 30 meg for my programs and the 13 meg for gigs. I run Norton antivirus and too many other programs in the background. I use Finale 2000 and Cakewalk 9.03. I have an EMU-APS card which is not GSIF. I get 158 voices, no pops and clicks, and I rarely crash.

My point is if the software is full of bugs, why wouldn\'t everybody be having the same problems? I did have dropout problems with Cakewalk until I read on this forum to archive my audio files that I wasn\'t using instead of just muting them. Now, I rarely get a dropout.

Terry

[abi]

With my new Maxtor 40 gig 7200, I was happily playing Trachtman\'s Steinway C 2 gig with 90 voices without any pops and clicks. Today however, I\'d be very lucky to even have gigastudio started. If I get gigastudio started, I could only play 40 or less voice, otherwise I\'ll get pops and clicks. Nothing at all was changed. What\'s going on here? I\'m thinking of going back to gigasampler until they have fixes up.

[Lougheed]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Terry:
I did have dropout problems with Cakewalk until I read on this forum to archive my audio files that I wasn\'t using instead of just muting them. Now, I rarely get a dropout.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Huh? I wonder if the same thing will work with Cubase. I\'ll have to experiment.

Lawrence

[Simon Ravn]

The fact that everybody aren\'t experiencing a lot of crashes doesn\'t mean the program can\'t be buggy. A lot of things could casue those crashes, but still be caused by bugs in Gigastudio. E.g. if some instruments converted with Gigasampler\'s S-Convert (which seemed a lot better than GStudios....) gives GStudio trouble. I know of a couple of instruments that simply causes GStudio to crash which worked fine with GSampler - so why not some samples which causes GStudio to crash SOMETIMES when hitting a specific sample/specific controller change on that sample or WHATEVER. My point is that GStudio probably has some internal \'problemsolver\' that catches most of the problems that could cause crashes, but it just doesn\'t seem to catch enough.
The polyphony thing... I can get 100 voices with the Steinway piano alone. But if I start using 32 midichannels with different samples allover I can\'t get above 80 or something and things start sounding really strange. And I have fast harddrives. I\'ll probably buy another UW SCSI drive at some time and I certainly hope that\'ll cure the problem, because I was trying to get away from Gigasampler because I couldn\'t really hear what I was composing due to the 64 voice limit, only to find the limit almost the same on GigaStudio. A reinstall of Windows might be on the way too. I\'ll have to try a few things. I just don\'t like to reinstall all my software, setup all configurations againg etc. It\'s hell and shouldn\'t be necessary for getting a piece of software working.

Simon

[Terry]

Simon,

I don\'t have any converted files, and maybe that is why so many people are experiencing crashes. I use AO and Ultimate Orchestral Percussion and others I got from Worra\'s site. I also only use 16 channels of midi. But, I am able to hear a full orchestra and you are right - it is nice to be able to hear all parts at once.

Terry

[Deep White]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Simon Ravn:
A reinstall of Windows might be on the way too.

Don\'t. I\'ve tried. Twice. Didn\'t help at all.

[peribrown]

I knew this was going to happen to everyone
That\'s why I didn\'t upgrade to Giga Studio
Listen to the general theme
People with 500 to 700 ghz and massive hard drives and ample memory
good sound cards
etc etc
And why are we talking to each other about this delima?
Because who else can we easily contact?

[SpIkE]

I have had just about every problem going with GSt - I uninstalled it - My god when I used RegCrawler to examine the registry what a mess was left behind. Surely Nemesys can write a proper uninstall !!
Anyway, I re-installed, everytime I went near the Reverb it crashed. Every time I went out of the program it crashed the machine.
So I went a bought an extra 128MB ram to take the total to 256MB. The program is now stable !!!!??? (PIII 600 )
I still had the problem with my performance file from the old install (the reverb prob) when I deleted it and re-created it using the same instruments it is now OK.
I also set the vcache to 0
I did a few of the tuning things in the FAQ except I kept the swap file.
SpIkE

[esencia]

I have a terrible problem after installing Gigastudio. My system crash with any kind of funtions like double click, starting any program...
Same as another user in this topic: http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/Forum2/HTML/001158.html (\"http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/Forum2/HTML/001158.html\")
And in this topic I´ve written all the stuff I have a how it was happening everything:http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/Forum2/HTML/001168.html

Could anyone give a solution please?

[Synth2k]

While I don\'t seem to have the exact same problems as many of you report, I too have encountered a few stability issues with GigaStudio. I rarely get pops or clicks except with the most demanding sequences and samples, although several times I\'ve had GigaStudio either blue screen my system out of the blue (no pun intended) or reboot my system randomly (a rare event, but it has happened about twice). I don\'t think that this is an issue with another conflict in my system (my Gigastudio computer is a completely clean machine - nothing else is installed on it except Gigastudio) and I have used it with several sound cards. Overall I still think it\'s a really great software package (it just has a few kinks in it), I recommend it to a lot of people if they\'re comfortable in working with the Windows platform and PCs in general but I am cautious not to throw away hardware for it\'s sheer stability and reliability for the time being. I\'m not fond of some of the stock NFX, but I\'m a stickler when it comes to those types of things.

Ryan.


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[seclusion]

I too have had stability problems...
gigastudio96..
I was trying to run it with logic audio 4.5 gold..Motu 2408
Something at first caused my P3 700 256 3 drives(One scsi)Win me to actually reboot the system with a simple click..
the blue screen..
So I\'ve totally Re formatted my C:/ drive..
Loaded my logic and eveything but giga..
Rock solid as it always was..
Gonna get another system and run Giga by itself..
If I was in a session and giga crashed by itself I reaaly wouldn\'t die..
But it was Crashing my whole Project.
I just hope dumping $3000 on a good system/soundcard solves this headache..
I really want to hear that piano again...
Brian

[Doug Marshall]

I realize there can be many causes, but a relatively common theme here appears to be instability at high load. I posted a thread about crashes at high polyphony and one writer suggested it might be a CPU usage issue. This seems to make some sense. Gigasampler with its 64-voice limit and lack of reverb, etc. obviously doesn\'t demand the CPU resources that GigaStudio can gobble up--and could thus appear to be a more stable program. I remember Nemesys\' own demo machine at NAMM 2000 was a carefully optimized Athlon 800--and they indicated that this was about the minimum configuration for full polyphony. Many of us, myself included, have less powerful machines than this, so we may be expecting more than we should. Nevertheless, it would be great if we could get some guidance to help minimize the crashes.