Gigastudio and Cakewalk Pro Audio 9

[uwv]

Hi there!
I am new to this forum and I am going to buy
Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 and Gigastudio but
I just wonder if someone here are using it?
I am blind and using braille to access the
screen. Can Gigastudio use
keycommands (shortcuts)?
Best regards,
Christian

[aspenleaf]

Hello Christian and welcome to the forum,
I\'m using Cakewalk Pro Audio 9.03 with Gigastudio 160, and it\'s a great combination. There are some operations that can be performed with key commands, but others I\'m not sure about. You may want to send an email to Nemesys and explain your circumstances and ask their advice. I\'ve found them quite helpful. If you want full functionality from Gigastudio, they are recommending an 800Mhz CPU and at least 256 MB RAM and as fast a hard drive as you can get. I just upgraded to a Pentium III with 128 MB RAM and it works great with the Steinway B and Gigapiano, but it\'s not enough memory to load an entire orchestra. What kind of music will you be making?

[John Matrix]

Hello uwv!

For your information, I have pasted a quote at the bottom from another message in this forum ( May 26 2000, Author: KIA, link: http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/Forum2/HTML/000434.html (\"http://www.northernsounds.com/ubb/NonCGI/Forum2/HTML/000434.html\") ) The subject is \"Jaws\", which is an alternative interface for visually impaired people:

\"The program is called \"Jaws\" and is a windows screen reader. Originally it only worked with Cake V6 but there are scripts that allow people to use Cake P/A V9.

The project was set up in a small studio in London. Jackie Clifton (the organiser) asked me to do some clinics for her clients. It was an overview of Cake using Jaws and also using the Yamaha SW1K soundcard with a \"Phat Boy\". The \"Phat Boy\" is a stand alone box that controls some preset sysex controller info such as cutoff and resonance, reverb and ADSR that control most GM/GS and XG hardware (including the SW1K). Because it has preset knobs on it, that makes it a great tactile surface for editing sounds etc.

Jaws itself speaks to you as you go from menu to menu. At first its a little strange having this robot voice tell you where you are in a program but its very easy to get up to speed. Doing basic midi entry and recording of audio is quite possible using Cake. Logic and Phewbase are too graphic so the screen reader cannot interpret what is physically on screen.

There is also a program called dancing dots by a guy called Bill McCann which Brailles notation music for near sighted and blind people to play sheet music.

Jaws is distributed by Hentor Joyce in the states (I may have spelt that wrong)

Phat Boy is sold in the states by a company called Keyfax

I am not sure about Dancing Dots but if its of interest to you I will get more info for you.\"

[uwv]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by aspenleaf:
Hello Christian and welcome to the forum,
I\'m using Cakewalk Pro Audio 9.03 with Gigastudio 160, and it\'s a great combination. There are some operations that can be performed with key commands, but others I\'m not sure about. You may want to send an email to Nemesys and explain your circumstances and ask their advice. I\'ve found them quite helpful. If you want full functionality from Gigastudio, they are recommending an 800Mhz CPU and at least 256 MB RAM and as fast a hard drive as you can get. I just upgraded to a Pentium III with 128 MB RAM and it works great with the Steinway B and Gigapiano, but it\'s not enough memory to load an entire orchestra. What kind of music will you be making?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hello Aspenleaf!
Thanks for your reply!
I don\'t know yet what I will produce but
I want to get it work first.
Can I use Gigastudio or Gigasampler
as an synthmodule? On MIDichannel 1
I have a piano and on channel 10 I have
drums etc?
Best regards,
Christian

[aspenleaf]

Yes, you can use it that way. You can even buy a General Midi set for it. I haven\'t heard it, but I\'m sure others on the forum have. Perhaps a search would bring up some of those discussion threads. Gigastudio allows you to have up to four ports, each with 16 channels, so you can load a total of 64 different midi channels (if you have enough RAM). Gigasampler has 16 channels. Each sample you load will use some of your RAM, even though the actual sound is streaming from the hard drive. The Gigapiano, which comes with the full version of Gigasampler or Gigastudio requires at least 64 MB RAM. The EastWest Steinway B requires 128MB RAM. If you are using smaller instruments, like bass or drums, they will use less RAM and you can load more of them at the same time. Before I upgraded to a fast computer, I would compose one track at a time in Cakewalk, then use the capture to disk function in Gigasampler to make it into a wav file, then insert it into Cakewalk and move on to the next instrument. If you have enough RAM and a fast CPU, you could keep everything in midi and it makes the editing so much easier and quicker.

[uwv]

Hi again Aspenleaf!
That sounds interesting.
The steimingway piano does it sounds good?
Do you want to talk with me on email?
You can watch profile and find my mail-adress
Best regards,
Christian

[aspenleaf]

The Steinway B is my favorite of the commonly available pianos for Gigastudio. I also like the Gigapiano very much. It\'s a Yamaha concert grand. There\'s a very good review of these pianos at www.prorec.com (\"http://www.prorec.com\") Look for the article under Bruce Richardson in the index of authors. I believe the title is simply \"Pianos, pianos, pianos\". There have also been many discussion threads about these pianos in the sample libraries forum. A search there will bring them up.
I\'d be glad to correspond with you through email, but I checked your profile and it doesn\'t list an email address.

[uwv]

Hi again Aspenleaf!
I looked at prorec.com but I didn\'t find it.
My e-mailadress is:
hao@algonet.se
Do you know if it is any mp3demos of the
Steimingway Piano?
Best regards,
Christian

[elle]

type gigasmapler in search
it is a febr2000 article

[dafrica]

Aspenleaf, Thanks for some info.

I wish for you to E-mail me. My e-mail is musieklief@hotmail.com

I am using Gigasatudio and Cakewalk 9.01. I am also using Aardvark Pro 24/96.

I am new to this and have everything working, I even select my Gigastudio sounds through Cakewalk. I am new to Audio and need help or steps on how to do the following:
1.) I have recorded Gigapiano as midi in Cakewalk cause thats what it recognises it as. I want to edit and then send my 1 Midi track to record it as Audio(Wave)through Cakewalk. What is the best way to record to audio and how is this done from Midi to Audio??

2.)I know that Gigastudio has Capture to wave. How do I route my cakewalk Midi and record that midi file to capture to wave?

3.)Finally, when you are in Cakewalk and you record Audio.example(You sing through a mike and record into Cakewalk.) Before you start recording to audio you need to set your audio levels as close to 0 decibels as possible to get the strongest signal but not higher otherwise distortion will occur. How do you do this with Gigastudio? because you are recording as Midi and not Audio. Is there a way that you can set your Audio levels (Audition)closest to 0 decibels before capture to wave?

How do you record to Audio in your set up?

Please let me know.

Thanks
Dafrica

[aspenleaf]

The best way to record the midi to audio is to use the capture to wav feature in Gigastudio. When you press the record button on the capture to wav dialog box, you will be asked where you would like the file to be saved. I save mine in my data file folder that I have Cakewalk set to. (Look in your audio settings menu in Cakewalk). The level can be set from with the midi mixer in Gigastudio. Configure cakwalk to send a midi start message to Gigastudio, and press the button on the cap to wav toolbar to wait for a midi start message before recording. Start playback in Cakewalk, and the file will be captured to the directory you designated. Then you must set up a new track in Cakewalk, insert the captured wav file, and align it with the rest of your tracks. If you started at the beginning, and were able to sync the start time between Cakewalk and Gigastudio, you should be able to simply set the song position cursor to the begining of the song (do this before you click on Insert File) and it should be aligned. Alternately, you can simply set up an audio track in Cakewalk, and record the output from your soundcard as the midi track plays.

[dafrica]

Thanks I will try this. I really appreciate your help.

[dafrica]

Dear Aspenleaf,

I tried it and it worked to a point. I captured to wave and selected the wavedata file. I then played my midi in Cakewalk and it seemed to have captured to wave. When I inserted the wave file into a new track in Cakewalk it did not show an actual wavedata in my clips pane in Cakewalk. Instead of a wave it showed 2 parralell lines. I thought maybe it did not capture to wave but when I pressed play in Cakewalk the sound was there as a wave but does not show waves just 2 parallel lines.. How does this work? When I took a piece of the riff funk demo in Cakewalk and Inserted that wave file in a new track it indeed shows waves when playing, but capturing my midi through gigasampler does not show it as a waveform. Do you know why?

Also how do you set up your midi start and stop in Cakewalk to make it work with Gigasampler?in the correct timing sequence??


Thanks once again.

[LHong]

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I have recorded Gigapiano as midi in Cakewalk cause thats what it recognises it as. I want to edit and then send my 1 Midi track to record it as Audio(Wave)through Cakewalk. What is the best way to record to audio and how is this done from Midi to Audio??
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dafrica,
first you need upgrade cakewalk to V9.03
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Well, I\'d like to show how to record the Seq-MIDI to the audio streaming in the cakewalk ( without the Giga-capturing). Just another way that you might find which one would does best for you.

It is simpler than that what you thought. If you\'re familar with the cakewalk then you could manage the entired-projects inside the cakewalk easily.
To record the MIDI-2-WAVE is exactly how to record vocal (MIC) without the GigaStudio. Please see the following, I will desribe it in detail:

Recording FlowChart:
Cakewalk-MIDI->GigaStudio->Cakewalk-Audio

1> Recording MIDI-2-WAVE: From cakewalk to open new wave-rec1~x/wave1~x which are MIDI channel that you mapped to outputs then click REC/Play button.
Assume you have 8-outputs from Giga, configuration, output: CH1->1,2;CH2->3,4; so on. Let\'s say you want to record MIDI-CH1 and MIDI-CH2, just simply record wave-rec1 and wave-rec2 from cakewalk. Same idea you can record up to 16 MIDI channels at same time if your soundcard and PC can handle it (GSIF with 32-outputs). Of course you can repeat the process as many time you want. Make sure cakewalk set sync clock to AUDIO and check \"Simultaneous REC/Play\" option. The gigaStudio is just acting like your soft-sound-modules in this recording process. Even Master Volume level,Panning, Velocity, etc, it could be done in the cakewalk mixer or automated-event too (Check the record LED level).

2> Recording Vocal: After you have all waves streaming in the cakewalk, then I see no reason why you want to use GigaStudio for the Vocal recording. Asume you don\'t have the Giga, how to record the vocal? of course if you want more MIDI2WAVE tracks just simply follow step 1.

3> Audio Mixdown: Now you start to mixdown your wave data streams including Vocal within the cakewalk project. The cakewalk and Aardvark Pro 24/96 provide more than enough of all kind of realtime effect-processing (Cakewalk Fx1~3, or Aardvark-FX effects). this is the huge advantage to use the Cakewalk with Aardvark, do you think the Giga could be done better job than this? Don\'t take my words, you should compare the audio quality results to determine the best way for you then maybe you would share with us.

Honestly, the steps above are based-on the sofware and the hardware what you have now, it is not exactly what I have done. My setup might be two steps advancer than this because I have the PCI-DSP and real Tascam digital mixer but basically the concept still use the same individual waves at the finnal mixdown. If you are interest, I\'m more than happy to share with you. I\'m not really a profestional, but I found the soft-effect proceesing even today technology is still limited and it depends on what kind of the music you try to produce. I\'ve seen some user very happy even only have the soundblaster-Live without any other tools, and I\'ve seen someone even had two PC but still having troubles. At this point, hard for me to tell, which way is the best for you...rather than you will find out what is the need for you!
Hope this helps
LHong

[aspenleaf]

I have the same result with the waveform as you are showing. It\'s because the output of Gigastudio isn\'t a high enough level to show up without magnification. If you open the audio view and magnify them waveform, you\'ll see that it is there. You can normalize the track if you wish, which would make it more visible. I usually leave it the way it is, because I find the normalization seems to make it harsher sounding, and by the time I mix all the tracks together the combined signal is pretty hot. It does make it easier to edit if you can see the waveform, though.

[dafrica]

LHONG

Thanks you for the information. I will let you know how this turns out.



[This message has been edited by dafrica (edited 12-09-2001).]

[dafrica]

Dear Aspenleaf

Thanks for confirming that, I thought that I was doing something wrong that I could not see the actual waveform when Capturing to Wave from Cakewalk.

How do you set your midi start and stop in Cakewalk to work with capture to wave??

LHong made some good comments on the quality and editing through Cakewalk itself.

Have you compared quality in terms of Capturing to Wave(gigastudio) vs.2> Recording from Midi to wave in Cakewalk??.

Also if you used method 2> Recording Midi to Audio within Cakewalk (not using Capture to wave, do you think we will be more likely to see the wavedata more clearly?

What method would give the best quality??
Which method produces the better results?

LHONG you are welcome to give more input too.
****Also whats the difference between Version 9.01 and V9.03 of Cakewalk?

Thanks
dafrica.

[LHong]

****Also whats the difference between Version 9.01 and V9.03 of Cakewalk?
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About 100 bugs fixed. see this path:

ftp://ftp.cakewalk.com/pub/Patches/Cakewalk/

You will need the 9.02 and 9.03
Regards,
LHong

[aspenleaf]

To sync Cakewalk to Giga cap to wav, in Cakewalk go to Options>Project>Midi Out check the boxes for Transmit Midi Start/etc and Use Start,Never Continue then make sure the Midi Ouput Port is set to the channel you are using in Giga. On the Giga cap to wav dialog box, make sure you press the button that makes Giga wait for a start signal from the sequencer.
As far as cap to wav vs. recording the output, in my case I\'m using a SB Live! and I wanted to bypass the D>A A>D process as much as possible. It\'s cleaner and keeps it all in the digital realm. Your soundcard may have better convertors. Yes, the waveform problem would be solved, because you can set a higher level when recording the signal.

[dafrica]

Thanks for all the info.
Now that I have v9.03 it automatically downloaded as a patch in Cakewalk. Does it automatically update Cakewalk v 9.01 or do I have to open the file patch to make it change and update Cakewalk.

Also where does it automatically download to because when I open Cakewalk I do not see a folder called patchv9.03??

Let me know.

DAFRICA

[LHong]

Like what I said earlier, in order to upgrade the 9.01 to 9.03 you also need the 9.02 path. Of course you need to upgrade the 9.02 first, restart windows, then the 9.03 and restart the windows.
The upgrading is simple, just double click on the path.exe, then follow the instruction on windows. Again see these sites:
ftp://ftp.cakewalk.com/pub/Patches/Cakewalk/9.02/Pro_Audio/
(902Patch_for_901CD.exe) or (902Patch_for_901Web.exe)

ftp://ftp.cakewalk.com/pub/Patches/Cakewalk/9.03/Pro_Audio/
(Pa902_903Patch.exe)

Good lucks
LHong

[dafrica]

Thanks for the tips, I got 9.03 it works great.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LHong:

Like what I said earlier, in order to upgrade the 9.01 to 9.03 you also need the 9.02 path. Of course you need to upgrade the 9.02 first, restart windows, then the 9.03 and restart the windows.
The upgrading is simple, just double click on the path.exe, then follow the instruction on windows. Again see these sites:
ftp://ftp.cakewalk.com/pub/Patches/Cakewalk/9.02/Pro_Audio/
(902Patch_for_901CD.exe) or (902Patch_for_901Web.exe)

ftp://ftp.cakewalk.com/pub/Patches/Cakewalk/9.03/Pro_Audio/
(Pa902_903Patch.exe)

Good lucks
LHong

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[nous]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by uwv:
Hi again Aspenleaf!
I looked at prorec.com but I didn\'t find it.
My e-mailadress is:
hao@algonet.se
Do you know if it is any mp3demos of the
Steimingway Piano?
Best regards,
Christian<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi Christian,

Here\'s an mp3 demo of Steinway B http://www..com:81/sophtml/details.phtml?sku=EW-103 (\"http://www..com:81/sophtml/details.phtml?sku=EW-103\")

and...also an mp3 of a Bosendorfer. http://www..com:81/sophtml/details.phtml?sku=EW-104 (\"http://www..com:81/sophtml/details.phtml?sku=EW-104\")

Regards,
Steve

[nous]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LHong:

Like what I said earlier, in order to upgrade the 9.01 to 9.03 you also need the 9.02 path. Of course you need to upgrade the 9.02 first, restart windows, then the 9.03 and restart the windows.
The upgrading is simple, just double click on the path.exe, then follow the instruction on windows. Again see these sites:
ftp://ftp.cakewalk.com/pub/Patches/Cakewalk/9.02/Pro_Audio/
(902Patch_for_901CD.exe) or (902Patch_for_901Web.exe)

ftp://ftp.cakewalk.com/pub/Patches/Cakewalk/9.03/Pro_Audio/
(Pa902_903Patch.exe)

Good lucks
LHong

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you!
Good info. and much appreciated.
Regards,
Steve

[mole]

My sound card: Terratec EWS88 MT 8 Audio in/out.
Sequencer: Cakewalk 9.03 Pro Audio
GigaStudio 96 (Vers. 2.0)
When GS is installed, 2 GS output midi drivers become visible. I gues I have to use one of them as output from Cakewalk to make GS say something.
When I make one of these GS-midi-drivers active in CW, CW will not play its audio. I get a very loud helicopter-like noise!!??
If I want to hear both Cakewalk and GigaStudio\'s audio output, how do I connect CW to GS? Is the audio signal from GS supposed to be ruted to CW or what.
Do I have to start CW thru the button in GS or does this not work! Could anyone please give an example of a working setup.
Regards
Mogens Lenz
E-Mail: lenzdata@mobilixnet.dk
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by aspenleaf:
Hello Christian and welcome to the forum,
I\'m using Cakewalk Pro Audio 9.03 with Gigastudio 160, and it\'s a great combination. There are some operations that can be performed with key commands, but others I\'m not sure about. You may want to send an email to Nemesys and explain your circumstances and ask their advice. I\'ve found them quite helpful. If you want full functionality from Gigastudio, they are recommending an 800Mhz CPU and at least 256 MB RAM and as fast a hard drive as you can get. I just upgraded to a Pentium III with 128 MB RAM and it works great with the Steinway B and Gigapiano, but it\'s not enough memory to load an entire orchestra. What kind of music will you be making?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>