Off Topic : 57 octaves below middle C.

[Isabella Rowlins]

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/SciTech/reuters20030909_394.html (\"http://abcnews.go.com/wire/SciTech/reuters20030909_394.html\")

Isabella Rowlins

[Nick Batzdorf]

I read that in Saturday\'s paper, and I don\'t understand it. Sound by definition is a bunchof oscillations that make waves (unless you get really far out there and start talking about sones, which are wave particles just like light).

So they\'ve found an oscillation that moves really slowly. Middle C moves at 262 times a second (262 Hertz). Divide that in half 57 times and you get this new note that\'s just above 0 Hz.

Without doing the maths, I should be able to flap my arms once every ten years and create an oscillation lower than 57 octaves below middle C.

Someone explain what I\'m missing, please!

[MusicalCharities]

Wow, very interesting. Maybe not so inapporpriate a post if you want to try obtaining a sound recording of the Black Hole, and then placing it into a sample library and then using a pitch shifting plugin, so that humans can listen to it =)

[MusicalCharities]

Nick, I don\'t think you\'re nearly massive enough to cause such an ossilation. The \"sound\" oscillation produced by the black hole is mainly a function of its mass, which allows for extremely expansive, but ultimately low cycling waves

Such a low frequency would be all-but-impossible to form without that type of mass.

[Daedalus]

Sound also requires a medium to travel through. When learning about black holes, since we cannot see them directly, we must observe their effect on their surroundings. I have no idea how they found this but I\'m sure that it involves some major physics.

As to the frequency being so low, this is not significant for a human (our lifetimes being less than 100 years) but consider that the black hole has been around for Earth\'s lifetime many times over.

If this frequency is constant, then, in my eyes, this is significant. Two important questions arise:

1. What kind of speakers are they using in those black holes to get that kind of bass?

2. Where can I get some?

[guybrush threepwood]

Originally posted by Daedalus:
Sound also requires a medium to travel through. When learning about black holes, since we cannot see them directly, we must observe their effect on their surroundings. I have no idea how they found this but I\'m sure that it involves some major physics.<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">That\'s it. It\'s impossible to hear anything in empty space. I guess the scientits found some kind of oscillation or something and the good ol\' press boys turned it into an absurd but funny and sellin\' title, because the press agencys have been spreading the new all over the world (i saw it in the TV news here in spain)

[SonicVI]

Originally posted by Nick Batzdorf:


Without doing the maths, I should be able to flap my arms once every ten years and create an oscillation lower than 57 octaves below middle C.

Someone explain what I\'m missing, please! <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Make that once ever 16 Million years. There are similar threads about this over at the KVR and SOund on Sound forums, with some calculations.


Dnaiel

[mschiff]

If a black hole makes a sound at 57 octaves below middle C and nobody can hear that low, does a tree falling in the forest make a sound?

-- Martin

[Rich Pell]

i heard it was a B flat.Maynard Ferguson could a hit that note...Rich

[Gary M. Thomas]

QUICK.... Somebody sample that!!!! images/icons/grin.gif

[tonylombardi]

Originally posted by Rich Pell:
i heard it was a B flat.Maynard Ferguson could a hit that note...Rich <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">No, he would hit 57 octaves ABOVE, not below.

By the way, I got two out of print CDs of his: High Voltage and Best Of Maynard Ferguson. Aren\'t I lucky?

Anthony Lombardi
www.mp3.com/alombardi (\"http://www.mp3.com/alombardi\")

[nontacky]

I see .. Too much Terry Pratchett in here images/icons/smile.gif

[Nick Batzdorf]

Make that once ever 16 Million years. <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">All right, so my figures are off a little...


Nick, I don\'t think you\'re nearly massive enough to cause such an ossilation. <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Am too! Am too!

(Actually, you\'re talking about the amplitude of the oscillation. The frequency is a different question.)

[jon2u]

The military will use it as a weapon.
The pharmaceuticals, as a laxative.

[Rob Elliott]

Hi Isabella,

Could you please send me an email so I can ask for some arranging advice (offline). I saw that you took your \'send private email\' off of your profile (I can\'t say that I blame you at all.) I have something I am working on that I would like to get your expert advice on. Many thanks in advance.

(or you can eamil me at rob@robelliottmusic.com)


Rob

[Hudson]

No problem...we\'ll just get Ruben from American Idol to flap his arms.
-Hudson

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MusicalCharities:
[QB] Nick, I don\'t think you\'re nearly massive enough to cause such an ossilation. The \"sound\" oscillation produced by the black hole is mainly a function of its mass, which allows for extremely expansive, but ultimately low cycling waves

Such a low frequency would be all-but-impossible to form without that type of mass.

[Hudson]

Oh Rob...you\'re so transparent I can see the wall behind you through your abdomen. Lemmee guess, that \"expert advice\" \"offline\" probably involves a nice bottle of Merlot at a beachside restaurant, no? And what\'s that \"something\" you\'re working on, hmmmm? A new bride and a family of four perhaps?

When you will people learn?? In the spirit of Daffy Duck, she is mine, Mine, MINE, ALL MINE!! Pistols at Dawn, sir, but you\'re gonna have to get in line...Fairhurst wussed out of the last one and I\'m about to challenge Haggerty to a duel, too. Let me know what works for you and we\'ll pencil it in.
-Hudson


Originally posted by Rob Elliott:
Hi Isabella,

Could you please send me an email so I can ask for some arranging advice (offline). I saw that you took your \'send private email\' off of your profile (I can\'t say that I blame you at all.) I have something I am working on that I would like to get your expert advice on. Many thanks in advance.

(or you can eamil me at rob@robelliottmusic.com)


Rob <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">

[Rob Elliott]

Man, Hudson - you are smitten my friend!!

Seriously, I have a unique project where I am to capture just the right sound and it has given me fits. My original inspiration was the birth of our first granddaughter, Kenadi.

I didn\'t want to \'wear out my welcome\' posting music for the general NS board (although I can\'t tell you how much I have learned from your comments and suggestions.)

Well, the cats out of the bag...so here it goes.

This short film (20 min) - the Director wanted something from the \'child\'s perspective\' in the film. He has wanted me to capture the emotions of discovery, birth, and the dreams to the future. He wanted me to support this child learning new things and being enlightened by the newness of discovery.

Sorry to \'hitch a ride\' on your thread Isabella, but Hudson started it ; ) I would still be interested into yours (or now anyone else\'s insight / suggestions on this piece.)

www.robelliottmusic.com (\"http://www.robelliottmusic.com\")

music/americana/Kenadi\'s Theme


Thanks in advance.


Rob

[Hudson]

Hmmmmm...I don\'t have breasts though I wish i did, but my two cents on some of the intro section up to 1:34 and again at 1:59 is that the arrangement sounds a little on the heavy side for something that\'s supposed to be from a child\'s perspective. I\'m getting the \"learning\" feeling for sure, but it sounds like someone is learning how to overcome a hardship or a disability or something rather than just going through the natural childhood process which is supposed to be full of more amazement and wonderment. It\'s just got a little bit of a darker feel to it that suggests some sort of difficulty or obstacle to the process. Maybe the abundance of minor chords, maybe the choice of clarinet and mid ranged strigs over something a little lighter, i\'m not sure. I just think of kids in a lighter fluffier way. The upper range is a little absent of that which gives this a darker feel to it. Maybe some alto flute instead or in addition to the clarinet? Take some of those little short strings and up them an octave for a little levity?
I think the light fluffy stuff that Izzy does is what attracted you to her piece...its very playful and upbeat which is what I would associate a child\'s learning curve.
The other sections in your piece do a wonderful job of that feeling, though, ie 2:43 to the end, so it\'s really just those particular sections which striked me as a bit off.
-Hudson

[Rob Elliott]

Hey thanks Hudson,

I should have told you that this film is (a sort of \'moral to the story\') about a little boy\'s first real test of honesty - thus the tad bit of minor chordal angst. Of course, he overcomes the temptation and all is well (2:30 to the end). Hopefully that explains it better. This will be a series of \'modern day Aesop\'s type fables\'.

Thanks again for the time listening and your comments.

Rob

[Hudson]

Ahhhh! Well, in that case great job...the appropriate feeling was conveyed. That darker sense of \"overcoming something\" I described would translate just as easily to a lying little bastard crossing over to the dark side and sealing his fate as a future defense attorney. They\'ll prolly add the latter part in a sequel. Oh wait...he doesn\'t lie?? Jeesh...where\'s the fun in that??
-Hudson

[Rob Elliott]

Thanks Hudson,

Have you ever considered work as a satirist?? I don\'t know how much you are making writing music, but there has to be loads for someone with your talents. Good stuff.

Rob

[Hudson]

Hee hee hee...anything more than nothing would be something more than I\'m making now, but thanks for the compliment. If anyone sees any \"Help Wanted: Satirist Needed\" posts, let me know. I\'d pimp myself in a hearbeat.
-Hudson


Originally posted by Rob Elliott:
Thanks Hudson,

Have you ever considered work as a satirist?? I don\'t know how much you are making writing music, but there has to be loads for someone with your talents. Good stuff.

Rob <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">