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Nick Phoenix
02-25-2003, 11:18 PM
This is a rough list of the articulations. Doesn\'t tell the whole story, but it gives you an idea of what we\'ve done.

East West / Quantum Leap Symphony Orchestra - Articulations

STRINGS-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

18 Violins- expressive vibrato p, f
expressive vibrato slow p, f
straight vibrato p, mf, ff upstroke, ff downstroke
lyrical vibrato slow, fast attack
legato vibrato p, mf, f
sordino expressive mp, mf
sordino fast mp, mf
sliding sustain, slow, medium ,fast and imperceptible speeds
non-vibrato p, mf
tremolo 1 & 2
pizzicato, p, mp, mf, f
martele up and down
short martele up and down
marcato short, medium and long
effects

11 Violins- expressive vibrato dimuendo p, f
expressive vibrato p, f
lyrical vibrato p, f
straight vibrato p, mf, ff
legato vibrato p, mf, f
glissando short, long
trill half step
trill whole step
spiccato
martele up and down
short martele up and down
marcato short and long

10 Cellos- expressive vibrato, slow and fast attack
straight vibrato p, mf, ff
legato vibrato p, mf, f
sordino, slow, medium and fast attack
crescendo long
sforzando long
pizzicato, p, mp, mf, f
non vibrato
portato short and long
trill half step
trill whole step
tremolo
martele up and down mf, f
short martele up and down mf, f
effects

10 Violas- expressive vibrato p, f
expressive vibrato slow p, f
straight vibrato p, mf, ff
legato vibrato p, mf, f
martele up and down mf, f
short martele up and down mf, f
marcato short and long


9 Basses- expressive vibrato, slow and fast
straight vibrato p, mf, f, ff upstroke, ff downstroke
legato vibrato p, mf, f
crescendo long
sforzando short
pizzicato, p, mp, mf, f
martele up and down mf, f
short martele up and down mf, f
marcato short
portato
tremolo
bow slaps
effects

Solo Violin- expressive vibrato 1, 2, 3
crescendo
slide
vibrato, p, mf, f
non- vibrato legato, p, f
martele up and down
marcato

Solo Cello- expressive sustain 1, 2
sforzando
slide
vibrato legato, p, mf, f
non- vibrato legato, mf
martele up and down
marcato f

Harp- mp, mf, f
roll finger, mp
harmonics


BRASS--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

6 French Horns- sustain p, mp, mf, f, fff
staccato p, mf, f, fff
long staccato fff
portato, mf, fff
portato sfz, mf, fff
sforzando f
legato slides, short and long
legato p, mp, mf, f, fff
rips, short 1 and 2, and long
shakes
stop mutes

Solo Horn- sustain, p, mf.ff
staccato p, mf, ff
portato, mf, ff
sforzando f

4 TrumpetsNV- sustain mp, mf, ff
sustain accent mp, mf, ff
legato mp, mf, ff
staccato, mp, mf, ff
sforzando short
forte-piano
slides fast and slow

Solo Trumpet(C)- expressive vibrato 1 ,2 and 3
non-vibrato mp, mf, ff
staccato double tongue position 1 p, mf, ff
staccato double tongue position 2 p, mf, ff
sforzando
portato
slides fast and slow

4 Bass/Tenor Bones- sustain p, mf, ff
sustain accent p, mf, ff
staccato p, mf, ff
portato
sforzando
flutter tongue
crescendo short, medium and long

Solo Bass/Tenor Bone- sustain p, mf, ff
staccato p, mf, f, fff

3 Wagner Tuben- sustain mp, f
sustain accent mf
portato fff
rips

Solo Tuba- sustain mp, f
sforzando
staccato, mp, mf, ff


WOODWINDS----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

3 Flutes - vibrato p, mf ,f
non-vibrato mf
expressive vibrato
trill half-step
trill whole step
glissando, long and short
grace notes
staccato

C Flute- vibrato mp, f
non-vibrato mf
expressive vibrato 1 and 2
staccato p, mf, f
flutter
grace notes
falls

3 Oboes- vibrato mp, f
non-vibrato mf
expressive vibrato mp, mf
staccato p, mf, f
trill half step
trill whole step
grace notes

Solo Oboe- vibrato mp, f
non -vibrato mf
expressive vibrato 1 and 2
staccato p, mf, f
trill half step
trill whole step
falls
octave runs
glissando
grace notes

Alto Flute- vibrato mf
expressive vibrato 1 and 2
non-vibrato mf
staccato p, mf, f
glissando

Piccolo Flute- vibrato mp, f
expressive vibrato
staccato mp, f
glissando
trill half step
trill whole step

English Horn- vibrato mp, f
expressive vibrato 1 and 2
non-vibrato mf
staccato p, mf, f
falls
octave runs
glissando
grace notes

Bassoon- vibrato mf
non-vibrato mf
expressive vibrato 1,2 and 3
portato
staccato, p, mf, f
glissando

Contra-Bassoon- vibrato mp, f
expressive vibrato
non- vibrato mf
portato
staccato mp, f
glissando
grace notes

3 Clarinets- non-vibrato mp, f
staccato p, mf, f

Solo Clarinet- non-vibrato mf
expressive non- vibrato 1 and 2
portato
staccato p, mf, f

Bass Clarinet- non-vibrato mp, f
expressive non-vibrato
portato
staccato mp, f
glissando

PERCUSSION-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

5 Timpani with Calf Heads, 2 Bass Drums, 4 Snares, 5 Concert Toms, Funeral Drum, Tenor Drum, Field Drum, 4 Anvils, Vibes, Crotales, Glockenspiel, Xylophone, 6 Suspended Cymbals, 6 Cymbal pairs, Band Cymbal, 5 ft. Gong, 4 ft. Gong, 2 Normal Gongs, Bell Tree, Mark Tree, Orchestral Chimes, Triangle, Lots of toys

KingIdiot
02-25-2003, 11:23 PM
you know, its not like I didn\'t want to use the library before.....sheesh...

esperlad
02-26-2003, 12:13 AM
are there no pizz. samples for the solo strings?

lex
02-26-2003, 01:10 AM
Thanks Nick.

I\'m so happy to see that you have included several variations of vibratos in strings...
Very smart, and looks promissing.
Cant wait to hear it..
Is there any theatrical trailer right now where we could hear QLSO in action? images/icons/wink.gif

Alex

Nick Phoenix
02-26-2003, 01:31 AM
EWQLSO is in some Terminator spots, but I did them using the crippled Namm version of the library. So I think I\'ll wait till I have some more revealing demos. The cues sounds great but they are action and have stormdrum playing in the background, so they are not good first demos to really show off the library. Demos will come soon.

-No solo string pizz.

Leon Willett
02-26-2003, 02:21 AM
Great list!

While you are pondering about those demos, the sampling world is yet to nail one particular thing:

Four trumpets doing the double/triple tounging fan-fare thing! Like in John Williams\' \"Flag Parade\" from Espisode I. It\'s 4 trumpets in close harmony playing block major chords with the fifth in the lowest and highest voice, moving the chord up and down in paralel motion doing lots of snappy tripplet stacato stuff. (FF, of course!)

This sounds unbelievibly lame with last generation\'s samples, and VSL is yet to show what it\'s made of in this particular respect. Nail that one, Nick!! images/icons/grin.gif

Thomas_J
02-26-2003, 03:42 AM
Looks very extensive, Nick! Now of course you gotta be prepared to read all the wishes from people images/icons/smile.gif

Obviously some corners were cut, though, but in general it doesn\'t look too severe, with a few exceptions.

I\'m just wondering why there aren\'t any octave runs for piccolo and flute images/icons/grin.gif

Are all samples chromatic for all articulations?
I know that you were on tight time schedules with the orchestra

And are there FF(F)\'s for trumpets and strings, or did you choose not to record that dynamic for any particular reason?

Why no spiccato and staccato (only martele) for strings?

I\'m also surprised to see the Bassoon being left behind with only one velocity layer and not an ensemble of 2 or 3.

Having said that, though I think it is a magnificient list and I can\'t wait to hear it images/icons/smile.gif
I did some searches online for that Terminator 3 spot but I couldn\'t find any.


Thomas

lex
02-26-2003, 03:50 AM
Originally posted by Thomas_J:

I did some searches online for that Terminator 3 spot but I couldn\'t find any.


Thomas <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">go to http://www.apple.com/trailers/ (\"http://www.apple.com/trailers/\")

my favourite inspiration site...LOL!

Alex

Thomas_J
02-26-2003, 03:53 AM
Thanks Alex, but I was under the impression that Nick meant a TV spot and not the actual commercial trailer? images/icons/smile.gif

Anyway, lets not drift off topic here images/icons/smile.gif


Thomas

Simon Ravn
02-26-2003, 06:22 AM
Nick looks very cool - I especially like the different variations of vibrato on strings you did - seems very thoughtful!

One thing I dont seen on the list, which might not be THAT important, is trumpet ensemble with vibrato?

kid-surf
02-26-2003, 12:25 PM
Cool, Thanks Nick!


I for one appreciate you guys getting in hear and giving us the low-down. It\'s much better than the \'Wizard of Oz\' mentality many other music companies have. images/icons/wink.gif

timzydee
02-26-2003, 12:47 PM
I see \"slides\" listed on several instruments, so much so that I can\'t really tell what it means. The same with \"glissando\".

Nick Phoenix
02-26-2003, 01:32 PM
Also, EVERYTHING was sampled chromatically. After programming and eliminating a few samples, you will be playing 95% chromatic programs, all in surround.

Lewis
02-26-2003, 01:46 PM
Nick. Could you inform you faithfull minions on a closer date for demos. We will reward master accordingly. You know that.

Love - Chris

Ewen
02-26-2003, 01:53 PM
4 Bass/Tenor Bones- sustain p, mf, ff
sustain accent p, mf, ff
staccato p, mf, ff
portato
sforzando
flutter tongue
crescendo short, medium and long

Is there no fff bones. I have always wanted that huge crispy \"John Williams\" bones sound.

Simon Ravn
02-26-2003, 02:15 PM
The line between ff and fff can be argued about:)

Haydn
02-26-2003, 03:10 PM
No celeste?

Nick Phoenix
02-26-2003, 03:21 PM
The bones are FFF and crispy/big. No celeste, I forgot images/icons/frown.gif

Simon Ravn
02-26-2003, 03:41 PM
Nick, how can anyone forget a celesta - a triangle I could understand, but a CELESTA!

Thomas_J
02-26-2003, 03:47 PM
Hehe Nick, maybe for the best, or we\'d have the whole community doing harry potter mockups images/icons/smile.gif


Thomas

KingIdiot
02-26-2003, 07:32 PM
HA!!!


good one images/icons/smile.gif

Bruce A. Richardson
02-26-2003, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by Simon Ravn:
The line between ff and fff can be argued about:) <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">or EQ\'ed.

Nick Phoenix
02-26-2003, 11:47 PM
O.K.
I adjusted the list to be slightly more accurate. For many instruments and sections the dynamics description- p, mf, f are not entirely accurate. The dynamics we recorded were very carefully played to cover a wide dynamic range. The strings have the ability to be very big, loud and aggressive or the opposite and all in between. In a hall, dynamics are less evident than elsewhere, you\'ll be amazed how well 3 0r 4 dynamics will take you. Our focus was to also get alot of attack variation and expression, which also can be very dynamic, This is what you mostly hear in music. The trumpet description was a little off, because the top dynamic is really ff. Bassoon ensemble and other things were lower on the list of priorities. The focus of the library is to cover the essentials really well and do it in a way that is extremely musical and less constrained and robotic as what has been done before. We didn\'t really cut corners, we just went down our priority list and got as much as we could (which was alot). images/icons/grin.gif
Trumpet ensemble is with NO VIBRATO.There is spiccato. The short martele is basically staccato. The terminator stuff won\'t surface for a while. It\'s not in the first trailer. I will post it at the same time as other demos.

Thomas_J
02-26-2003, 11:56 PM
Thank you for clearing that up, Nick!

Now the list is even more interesting images/icons/smile.gif


Thomas

Robert Kral
02-27-2003, 09:20 PM
Hi Nick,

In your list, what do you mean by \"legato\" samples?

Nick Phoenix
02-27-2003, 09:36 PM
We are working on the legato samples and are trying various things with some editing techniques of extracting legato destination notes from actual legato transitions. I\'ll give a detailed report before the library is released.

Leon Willett
02-28-2003, 01:46 AM
legato samples:

if you recorded intervals, you will have the tail end reverb of the last note, which is no good unless you go the VSL route, recording ALL intervals. I presume what you did for woodwinds and brass is record the transition from a note to the same note again, but from an alternate fingering. That way, you get the sound of the key slapping down, but there is no stray reverb tail from another note. Is this what you did? just curious.

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