VSL: From Truespec

[peter269]

Dear Colleagues,

Now that we\'ve officially joined the Northern Sounds ad community, I\'m announcing that Alexander University\'s Truespec Systems is an authorized dealer for VSL.

For a limited time, we\'re making available a \"write-in\" discount for Northern Sounds members of 5% plus free Airborne second day air shipping in the US (except in the greater LA area where we ship Airborne Ground which usually arrives next day).

You can either click on our banner or go to www.truespec.com. (\"http://www.truespec.com.\")

Whether in or out of LA, training is available for those who are on deadlines, along with starting templates to get you going quickly with VSL.

When ordering, please use the \"Special Comments\" section to note that you\'re a Northern Sounds user (please include your name and \"handle\"). You can also call us at the phone number below my name M-F from 9AM to 4PM Pacific Time.

[Lewis]

Your URL link has a \".\" in it - therefor it doesnt work. Amazing pricereducer you got:


Where did you get this listprice from? Seems a bit absurd since the VSL-site list it as:


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Love - Chris

[PaPa Chalk]

Lewis please email peter privately do not post prices.

[Thomas_J]

Papa Chalk, what exactly is the policy on this?

I think it needs to be cleared up as other users have had their posts removed lately in similar topics.

Thanks.

Thomas

[MartinL]

Originally posted by Lewis:
Amazing pricereducer you got:

Where did you get this listprice from? Seems a bit absurd since the VSL-site list it as:
<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">I think Lewis is right... your list price seems much higher than the list price we are used to see... I hope it is just a mistake on the website, because it wouldn\'t be fair to advertise a higher list price just to simulate a deal on your price...


Martin

[Thomas_J]

I\'ve read the rules, disclaimers and policies of this forum and I couldn\'t find a single phrase indicating that Lewis\' post was in violation of the forum policies.

I quote \"You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this bulletin board to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person\'s privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.\"

Which one of these categories did Lewis fall into?

Thomas

[peter269]

Our list price is exactly as posted on Ilio and VSL for the Cube, Performances, and package price. We have simply shown the difference in price in a more North American format when both the Cube and Performances are bought as a package.

The Northern Sounds members discount is available on either the individual or package price.

My apologies for being grammatically correct and placing a period at the end of the sentence. Try this:

www.truespec.com (\"http://www.truespec.com\")

[MartinL]

Originally posted by peter269:
Our list price is exactly as posted on Ilio and VSL for the Cube, Performances, and package price. We have simply shown the difference in price in a more North American format when both the Cube and Performances are bought as a package.<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Peter you are right. Ilio changed its web site so that the list prices are now higher than they were when they first advertised VSL. On the VSL site, the price advertised is the \"recommended retail price\", which is different from the list price I guess.

Martin

[csduke]

See above

[SOD213]

Every little bit helps. Is the discount for the entire package, or can we just get the cube or performance set and still get the discount?

[MartinL]

Originally posted by PaPa Chalk:
Hello Thomas Craig please check your email or private message box. <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Papa Chalk,

We would all be interested to know what we can discuss and what we can\'t... Thomas was right... Could you please explain to everybody what is your politic about discussing prices on this forum?

Some posts sometimes disappear, and it would be good to know why...

Thanks,
Martin

[PolarBear]

Regarding disappearing posts.

I found out that some posts are only moved and/or have renamed topics. BUT - it is hard to find them on 14 (!) different forum section without having a search function that can do a search \"cross-forum\". Take for example someone wants to ask how a EW Library ports to Kontakt. Where to search it? Kontakt forum, East West forum, Sample Libraries Discussion, Off-Topic Discussion, Software (convert)? It\'s a lot easier not having to hit the search button 5 times...

My not worth it .02 cents.

Hansi

[peter269]

Originally posted by SOD213:
Every little bit helps. Is the discount for the entire package, or can we just get the cube or performance set and still get the discount? <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">The discount applies to all three: the whole package, Cube only, or Performances only. Free US shipping as described.

[Chadwick]

disregard

[ngstime]

Peter,
How long is this discount lasting?


Aaron Dirk
NGS West

[PaPa Chalk]

Hello Thomas Craig please check your email or private message box.

[peter269]

[/qb][/QUOTE]Peter you are right. Ilio changed its web site so that the list prices are now higher than they were when they first advertised VSL. On the VSL site, the price advertised is the \"recommended retail price\", which is different from the list price I guess.

Martin [/QB][/QUOTE]

Thank you!

Actually, over here there are four basic ways of expressing the \"list price.\" These are:

List Price
Suggested List Price
MSRP (Manufacturer\'s Suggested Retail Price)
Regularly/Now Only

Recommended Retail Price must be unique to VSL. But all five phrases mean the same. BTW, the phrase \"list price\" comes from a dealer/wholesaler receiving a sheet of paper with all the prices of specific items listed. Hence the term, list price.

[peter269]

Originally posted by ngstime:
Peter,
How long is this discount lasting?


Aaron Dirk
NGS West <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">At least through March 1.

[Franky]

Wow....


Franky.

[PaPa Chalk]

Ok everyone this is exactly why we do not want prices posted. I understand why peter has posted the prices at this point if you have all noticed he avoided doing so until this point. Here are some quotes from an email we have sent out to some users earlier on in this post They all understand where we are coming from on this issue. We would like to ask that you all respect what we have to say.


It falls under advertising when you post prices, and are not a paying advertiser. We have the right to remove any posts that violates this at anytime now or later when we find a violation. Read our entire rules again. By the way, no post has been removed from the site. Post are moved to there respective categories or archived. For a post to be deleted you could be a repeat offender or in direct violation.

By the way Lewis could have easily emailed peter about this issue directly. Needless to say in recent weeks we are clamping down on the abuse of this, we have a right to do this at anytime as stated when everyone registered.
I’m not sure if everyone realizes it but there has been many people abusing our board at our and others expense. Last thing I think everyone wants is for us (northernsounds) to do is say we had enough and shut the board down and walk away. The amount of mediation we do everyday is exasperating. Between users, developers, manufactures etc. If we did everything that everyone asked or removed everything that someone was disgruntled with. There would be no posts on this site.

We do not remove every post by users, but it\'s very easy (private messaging) to let people know where to get products with out stating the exact prices on our board, which would immediately have our phones ringing because of disgruntled competitors. The way we are going about it now is the best way we can at this time.
Problem is that there are many developers, manufactures, distributors etc. That have been abusing this coming in as users (aliases) and posting about products they sell and making profits. This is at our and our advertisers expense.
Surprisingly some of these people are in this post and assume we do not know who they are forgetting that this is our server, which keeps record of every time a person enters.
We would like you all to use common sense and respect our rules. If you’re unsure about something ask us. We try to be as accommodating the best we can. Some say we are a little too nice in regards to banning or removing posts.

With all this said we are very happy and elated with what has happen with this site. At NAMM we met many, users, developer’s and manufactures. We never realized the amount of friendships, development of new products and employment opportunities that have come about because of this site. We’d like to thank all of you.

[Lewis]

Fair enough PaPa.

Love - Chris

[ed hamilton]

I am not a dealer. I do not sell anything.

List price IS $3090. Period.
I spoke to ILIO about it. They confirmed it.
I exchanged very pleasant emails with the owner of Ilio about it.

Clearly I will never buy anything from Peters company. I do in fact think that the pricing on his site WAS misleading.
$3670 is a number that reflects the price if you were to purchase each section seperately at different times.
VSL always listed the price as $3090 for the package.
Ilio always listed the price as $3090.

Neither ever posted $3670 as \"list\" price.
For a dealer to do so did in fact create confusion and I do believe to therefore be misleading. Period.
If this was a simple mistake than a simple post and correction was all that was needed.
But you had guys talking about a \"NEW\" list price for VSL and YOU DID NOT CORRECT THEM.
And dear Peter, I will exercise my right to point out these sorts of \"interesting\" pricing policies whenever I see them.
It is interesting that you did not choose to PM me to discuss it. I will be inquiring with PAPA to see if it was indeed you who slammed my user rating today.
Do you think that to be an appropriate response?

I have been a long time Ilio customer. I own way too many of their titles. They are an excellent company and they make and distribute the very best sample libraries on the planet. After Shellys very kind response to this mess I will continue to patronize Ilio.
I will not patronize your business.

[MartinL]

Thanks Ed for clarifying the whole thing.

Martin

[MartinL]

Sorry double post. Deleted.

[vaultcomplex]

Originally posted by PolarBear:
Regarding disappearing posts.

I found out that some posts are only moved and/or have renamed topics. BUT - it is hard to find them on 14 (!) different forum section without having a search function that can do a search \"cross-forum\". Take for example someone wants to ask how a EW Library ports to Kontakt. Where to search it? Kontakt forum, East West forum, Sample Libraries Discussion, Off-Topic Discussion, Software (convert)? It\'s a lot easier not having to hit the search button 5 times...

My not worth it .02 cents.

Hansi <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Well said. Yet another reason why I don\'t like this new \"gazillion\" topic format.

[ed hamilton]

Peter,
I have found you to be a valued contributor to this forum and I have personally benifited from your knowledge and input.

But I find your web site pricing to be at best innaccurate and at worst misleading.

The facts confirmed by ILIO 1 minute ago.

The list pricing HAS NOT CHANGED AT ALL.
$3090 for the complete
$1890 Cube
$1490 performance

Any \"higher\" prices come from the total as if you bought each orchestral section one at a time.
There has always been a price break (list price break) by buying the complete sets.

So basically Peter is offering a 5% discount only.
The prices in RED on his site are the SAME as the FULL LIST PRICE.

Call ILIO if you want to check any of this out.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by peter269:
[QB] Our list price is exactly as posted on Ilio and VSL for the Cube, Performances, and package price. We have simply shown the difference in price in a more North American format when both the Cube and Performances are bought as a package.

This is not accurate.
You make it appear that LIST PRICE is $3600 NOT the $3090 it truly is.
Always was and STILL is.

[peter269]

Originally posted by ed hamilton:
Peter,
I have found you to be a valued contributor to this forum and I have personally benifited from your knowledge and input.

But I find your web site pricing to be at best innaccurate and at worst misleading.

The facts confirmed by ILIO 1 minute ago.

The list pricing HAS NOT CHANGED AT ALL.
$3090 for the complete
$1890 Cube
$1490 performance

Any \"higher\" prices come from the total as if you bought each orchestral section one at a time.
There has always been a price break (list price break) by buying the complete sets.

So basically Peter is offering a 5% discount only.
The prices in RED on his site are the SAME as the FULL LIST PRICE.

Call ILIO if you want to check any of this out.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by peter269:
[QB] Our list price is exactly as posted on Ilio and VSL for the Cube, Performances, and package price. We have simply shown the difference in price in a more North American format when both the Cube and Performances are bought as a package.

This is not accurate.
You make it appear that LIST PRICE is $3600 NOT the $3090 it truly is.
Always was and STILL is. <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">ED! If you will read the copy on the ILIO web site, it specifically states:

\"First Edition $3,090 (save $580).\" Using a calculator, Ed, $3090 + $580 = $3670. Coming out of packaged goods marketing for many years, the $3670 for both would be considered the list price. Thus, $3090 is the packaged price, otherwise, why would anyone post, \"Save $580?\" What does the save mean except that the posted price isn\'t full list?

REGARDLESS!

1. $3090 is the packaged price on which there is a 5% discount for Northern Sounds members. I believe have stated that elsewhere in this thread.

2. There is also a 5% discount if you purchase each piece individually.

3. AND! NS members in the continental US get free 2nd day air shipping via Airborne Express.

However you choose to word it, NS members get a discount off the packaged price, or the individual price if bought separately.

My son Chris is web master for our site, and I\'ll have him make a change Friday morning.

Meanwhile, Ed, don\'t you EVER AGAIN infer that I\'m misleading people. I run a straight operation and I don\'t play games. If I haven\'t worded something in a way that\'s clear, all you have to do is tell me.

In short, Ed, the sky AIN\'T falling and what I posted was COMPLETELY ACCURATE. And further,Ed!

Underneath my name is my e-mail and phone number. If you have a problem or concern with Peter Alexander you can write or call ME. Capiche?

My apologies for any confusion.