Trilogy Demos :)

[tob]

http://spectrasonics.net/instruments/trilogy/demos.html (\"http://spectrasonics.net/instruments/trilogy/demos.html\")

[tob]

Congrats Eric, it sounds awesome. That \'True Staccato\' thingie seems to have made the instrument more realistic! Do i have to say i want it... images/icons/smile.gif

/Tobias

[Munsie]

Here\'s some direct links to the electric demos some of us have been waiting for:

http://spectrasonics.net/mp3/Trilogy-Electric-Being_There.mp3 (\"http://spectrasonics.net/mp3/Trilogy-Electric-Being_There.mp3\")

http://spectrasonics.net/mp3/Trilogy-Electric-Block_Rock.mp3 (\"http://spectrasonics.net/mp3/Trilogy-Electric-Block_Rock.mp3\")

http://spectrasonics.net/mp3/Trilogy-Electric-Dr_Funkenstein.mp3 (\"http://spectrasonics.net/mp3/Trilogy-Electric-Dr_Funkenstein.mp3\")

http://spectrasonics.net/mp3/Trilogy-Electric-Reggae_Heaven.mp3 (\"http://spectrasonics.net/mp3/Trilogy-Electric-Reggae_Heaven.mp3\")

http://spectrasonics.net/mp3/Trilogy-Electric-Rockoko.mp3 (\"http://spectrasonics.net/mp3/Trilogy-Electric-Rockoko.mp3\")

Nice but, (imho) the quest for a kick rock bass goes on.... images/icons/frown.gif

[tob]

Munsie, maybe \'hardcore bass\' will be THE rock bass library.

QLHBNI (\"QLHBNI\")

[Tokyo Joe]

Originally posted by tob:
Munsie, maybe \'hardcore bass\' will be THE rock bass library.

QLHBNI (\"QLHBNI\") <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Hey Munsie - it even goes up to 11!

[Munsie]

Hey Tob,

\"Munsie, maybe \'hardcore bass\' will be THE rock bass library.\"

I\'ve got a bass player on stand buy ready to sample if Hardcore Bass doesn\'t deliver the goods. images/icons/smile.gif

Don\'t get me wrong about Trilogy though. I could probably replace several existing bass libraries with Trilogy. And for someone who doesn\'t already have a good bass library, Trilogy obviously is going to be great for them!!

[kid-surf]

munsie-

No offense, but I doubt if anything is gonna sound like hardcore (real hardcore... that\'s my other world..... shhhh it\'s a secret images/icons/wink.gif ). Seriously If I were you I\'d just buy a bass and a guitar and either play it or make your own lib. On the other hand hardcore has a very distinct sound that is virtually impossible to capture with (only) sampled instruments. Building a realistic lib for that genera (in my opinion) would be \'almost\' as complex as VSL/QLSO......


One thing for sure----> buy a guitar, bass is easier to fake. images/icons/wink.gif


BTW. I have trilogy, but I would never use it to do hardcore. Usually the bass guitar in hardcore doesn\'t sound all that great when soloed, but thumps in the mix. Libs sound too \'round\'...


my opinion anyway....

[lex]

Wow...Eric..the house is shaking!! images/icons/smile.gif

I love this sound...

Alex

[KingIdiot]

trilogy sounds awesome eric!

screw you for making me want everything spectrasonics puts out. Great variety of sounds in one unit.

With enough of these soft synths coming out, I\'m gonna need so many computers I could set up a MMORPG server.

Munz, I have some faith in Hardcore bass for the sound you\'re after. I didn\'t get to really sit with it, but the sounds were awesome.

BTW I still think Scarbee has the best sounding bass demos.

[Munsie]

\"...or make your own lib.\"

Hey Kid,

That\'s the next step if Hardcore Bass doesn\'t deliver the goods. images/icons/smile.gif

Hey King,

My fingers are crossed about Hardcore. I also agree Scarbee\'s bass demos are superior to anything out there. (Ok, I see Nick replied to my question in the EW section about HCB, quick exit..) images/icons/smile.gif

[SCARBEE]

Thanks King Idiot and Munsie,

I\'m sure people will be happy with Trilogy - just for the synth basses I will get it myself. And it is easy to work with - and many bass sounds - i really like the slapped sound.

For those who don\'t know my bass libraries there are many demoes (also soloed bass tracks)at www.scarbee.com (\"http://www.scarbee.com\")

To make demoes like these you need to spend a day or so - but hey - most bass players spend years training for that! images/icons/wink.gif

here is a little slap:
www.scarbee.com/j_slap_demoes_mp3/jslap_demosong_4.mp3 (\"http://www.scarbee.com/j_slap_demoes_mp3/jslap_demosong_4.mp3\")

soloed: www.scarbee.com/j_slap_demoes_mp3/jslap_demo4_solo_js2.mp3 (\"http://www.scarbee.com/j_slap_demoes_mp3/jslap_demo4_solo_js2.mp3\")

and here is a little fingered:
www.scarbee.com/j_fingered_demoes_mp3/j_fingered_demosong_1.mp3 (\"http://www.scarbee.com/j_fingered_demoes_mp3/j_fingered_demosong_1.mp3\")

soloed:

www.scarbee.com/j_fingered_demoes_mp3/j_fingered_demo1_solo_jf1.mp3 (\"http://www.scarbee.com/j_fingered_demoes_mp3/j_fingered_demo1_solo_jf1.mp3\")

regards

[Ned Bouhalassa]

Thomas, the playing on those demos is outstanding. I\'m curious, did the player use a midi bass? I just can\'t see someone playing like that on a keyboard controller... images/icons/shocked.gif

[SCARBEE]

Hi Ned Bouhalassa:

Well - I\'m the bass player images/icons/wink.gif . I did not use a midi-bass - frankly I don\'t think I touched the keyboard much! Just used the mouse and playing around - inserting triggers and so. But I was sitting with a bass in my hands most of the time and checked out what I wanted to play - then I just inserted the notes.

Other users play more on the keyboard and then just edit a bit afterwards. But I always suggest that you have a bass or a guitar around to check playing positions and natural playing.

I think it is fun to do these things and I will debut later this yearon an album as a \"virual bass player\" - together with keyboard player Minoru Mukaiya (from japanese fusion band CASIOPEA) and fabulous guitar wizard from Venezuela Carlos Eduardo Arellano. http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/lordstern/music/guitartribe.mp3 (\"http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/lordstern/music/guitartribe.mp3\")

But it is hard to predict when the album will be finished since the situation in Venezuela is terrible...

Good thing for my useres are that the Fretless will be done this year - cos I need that on the recordings! images/icons/grin.gif

[sjduck]

Eric

Just wanted to say - that acoustic bass is nothing short of outstanding. I\'ve been waiting for something like this for years.

Thanks!

[dwdonehoo]

\"Nice but, (imho) the quest for a kick rock bass goes on....\"
Unbelievable. images/icons/wink.gif But good thing I read down because I cannot see how anybody could complain when things like Trilogy and SCARBEE\'s bass are available: this from someone who played bass for many years (Rickenbacker-SVT-Peavy head, obnoxiously aggressive style if you must know. I still have a Steinberg and Peavy preamp for direct, as well as Tarus Moog. But it is a last resort if I cannot midi something up).
In particular, I think SCARBEE\'s stuff is great sounding.

[KingIdiot]

I\'ve just spent some more time listening to the trilogy demos and READING what is actually from trilogy. Crap... I want it more now.

[Ned Bouhalassa]

Originally posted by SCARBEE:
Well - I\'m the bass player images/icons/wink.gif . I did not use a midi-bass - frankly I don\'t think I touched the keyboard much! Just used the mouse and playing around - inserting triggers and so. <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">You mean you step-entered all those notes? Wow! Very impressive. images/icons/cool.gif

[spectrum]

Whew.....we hadn\'t even finished getting those demos on the page when last night someone discovered that we were posting them and suddenly I woke up this morning and the link was all over the Internet! (Nice to know that so many are interested!)

Now we have more demos on the page and the descriptions of how they were created. Please visit this link instead of loading the direct links posted earlier here....that\'s only a couple of the demos. Here\'s the main page with everything so far.

http://spectrasonics.net/instruments/trilogy/demos.html (\"http://spectrasonics.net/instruments/trilogy/demos.html\")

Thomas, from you that\'s high praise indeed....thanks! I agree that you are the king of Bass demos.

(BTW...Did you check the Philippe Saisse demo? I have a feeling you will really dig that one!)

Regarding the creation of the demos...one very big difference in the concept of these Trilogy demos, compared to other \"Giga-style\" demos, is that most of the Trilogy ones were played in real-time. Our whole approach is coming from a real-time, live playing \"instrument\" perspective. You also can also \"assemble\" if you like but the sounds in Trilogy are really expresiive and very realistic without spending a lot of time in tweaking them. (I have a feeling that Thomas could assemble a stunning Trilogy demo with his mouse clicks method...but that would probably be asking a bit much from another developer....huh? ;-), The real-time aspect of Trilogy is one of the main conceptual differences from any other Bass products (including our own) to date.

Many of these Trilogy demos were spontaneously improvised, with most of the effort going into the final mix...getting a realistic performance is very fast and easy.

More demos are on the way too! Trilogy is very vast, and if you have particular styles you\'d like to hear...let us know!

Best,

spectrum
(EP)

[Munsie]

\"Unbelievable. But good thing I read down because I cannot see how anybody could complain when things like Trilogy and SCARBEE\'s bass are available:\"

Doyle,

What\'s so \"unbelievable\" about my comment? No developer has released a \"versatile\" heavy picked rock bass. Who\'s complaining? I\'m just on a quest for a certain \"sound\" that is not available yet. No more \"unbelievable\" than the vast debates on brass and strings that appear on this forum. images/icons/wink.gif

[spectrum]

Hey Munsie.....more demos are on the way too. The picked stuff is really good in Trilogy, because you have the upstroke and downstroke of the picking that you can alternate easily. I\'ll be doing a tutorial style demo of this soon with just the Bass itself. These picked Basses will take very well to additional processing with plug-ins like Amplitube.

The demos that are on the site so far are just the beginning. If you have specific things you\'d like to hear, let us know.

best,

spectrum

[dwdonehoo]

\"I\'m just on a quest for a certain \"sound\" that is not available yet.\"
Avast ye scourge! With Speculum\'s perchance for including gigabytes of samples, perhaps it is in there! AAaarrrgh.
I know the sound I want. There was a guy in this area calle Torries or something that did custom guitar work. He took a \'57 Fender Jazz bass, rewound the pickups, improved the electronics, put in a brass bridge and nut, did other voo-doo and spells and it sounded so sweet that it could make a grown man cry. Like an idiot I did not buy it, but I would like THAT sound. Hey, maybe Spectrum or Scarbee has it. I have not heard all that they have. KnowwhatImean?

[spectrum]

One thing that is true is to not make an absolute judgement on what any product might not have soley based on initial mp3 demos. That\'s one of the things that makes doing these demo pages really tricky for us....everyone wants to hear stuff right away, and we have a zillion different people wanting an equally wide type of demos. Then people make up their mind very quickly if they don\'t hear the exact thing they are looking for (which is quite difiicult to ever achieve on an initial offering).

The nature of each of our instruments is that they are very capable of working in many, many styles of music. The versatility is what they are all about.

Requests are always welcome!

All the best,

spectrum

[SCARBEE]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by spectrum:
Thomas, from you that\'s high praise indeed....thanks! I agree that you are the king of Bass demos.

Thanks Eric!

(BTW...Did you check the Philippe Saisse demo? I have a feeling you will really dig that one!)

Yeah -it\'s a beauty - it sounds like Marcus bass (which bass did you use for this bass?) and the song could be his images/icons/cool.gif Very nice. Funny, I just wrote to Phillipe about the Rhodes the other day... he is a great player!

There are so many love basses on Trilogy (both synths and electric, axoustic). I really like to use synth bass too - sometimes together with electric bass.

It\'s all about making music and good songs. You need different tools for different stuff (just like the current string disussion on this forum)

I know I can make money with your stuff (getting and performing jobs) images/icons/grin.gif

And this is a strong consideration when you are a fulltime pro musician/composer.

Getting the right tools - Trilogy is one for sure.

Keep it comming!

PS. But I would like to say that \"real-time\" playing capabilities are not the \"only\" thing.
Though it is wonderfull to have \"fast\" tools, it is also \"OK\" to dwelve into advaned programming to reach another \"level\". As it is now there are limits on how close we can get to bass/guitar in realtime playing. One of the obstacles is the fact that a bass note can be played several places on the bass and it really sounds different. And another thing is all the different grace notes, slides, and several articulations after each other. This is psossible with some programming and frankly, you have to be lazy 8or VERY busy) not to be able to spend a little time on that. As I said before good bass players spend years of hard training - much of it technique. We msut be carefull not to be too \"spoiled\" so we expect to sound like a fantastic player in 10 minutes - it just doesn\'t work like that.

PS. 2 years ago I developed manual for a revolutionary sample structure (real-time performance) which would get us mush closer to simulation advanced string instruments. Unfortunately it seems that my idea got stuck somewhere. If nothing happens soon (or ever) I will try to realize this on my own as it would be a shame if it didn\'t get out. I am young in this business but I am learning all the time images/icons/wink.gif and I have now discovered that you can do a lot on your own...

[RaGe]

Am i the only one feeling that although Trilogy sounds great most of the samples are too \"clean\"? I find the upright for instance to be too perfect especially in the high register.

And I do not understand how Mr Saisse could make such a poor use of the pitch bend wheel!

I may get Trilogy one day though.

[spectrum]

Rage....the level of noise \"slop\" is full user adjustable on its own slider. It just made sense for that piece to have it be very beautiful and clean.

It is very flexible....I\'d encourage you to check it out in further detail.

(BTW...Chis O\'Brien\'s \"Block Rock\" demo sounds too \"clean\" too you????....wow!)

spectrum

[RaGe]

Originally posted by spectrum:
Rage....the level of noise \"slop\" is full user adjustable on its own slider. It just made sense for that piece to have it be very beautiful and clean.

It is very flexible....I\'d encourage you to check it out in further detail.

(BTW...Chis O\'Brien\'s \"Block Rock\" demo sounds too \"clean\" too you????....wow!)

spectrum <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Sort of ... Is there a way to add some kind of randomness in the sound (filters parameters for instance, noise amount ...)?
From \"Block Rock\" the repeated notes give it away, to my ears it still feels \"synthy\". Don\'t get me wrong, I love the concept of Trilogy, it\'s way above any ROMpler but still it is not (at least to my ears, and that\'s only my humble opinion) the ultimate bass module I was expecting.
I will nevertheless check it out as soon as I can.
Peace.

[spectrum]

You should really check it out in person. We\'ll have many more demos up too....and some video showing how the True Staccato stuff works. It is a musical technique like any other, that depends a great deal on the skill and musicality of the player or programmer. These demos show how many different artists are interpreting how to use the instrument....certainly, the way you would use it would be quite different.

One thing that I should stress though, is the focus of these initial demos (and the instrument itself for that matter) is just to sound good and musical....not necessarily to be indescernible from a live bassist. (Which honestly I think is a bit of a waste of time!)

The \'ultimate\" aspect of Trilogy is the expression, the huge variety of tones, tonal flexibility and the sheer sound quality.....all in one module. There\'s nothing else like this, with so much in one place.

spectrum

[SCARBEE]

Just for the record you can play Scarbee basses \"Live\". The \"Jam bass\" is build for this as you use Mod-wheel to control, sustained, mute, fast grace note and legato.

The so called \"step-programming\" is just silly me - I\'m a terrible keyboard player...
But the demoes didn\'t take long to make - many of them were created as reference-testing stuff while I was sampling/programming to see what i could do.

Please don\'t get the impression that my libs are \"old DOS\" typing - it would be a mistake. You can play as live as you want - but you also have the chance to go \"all the way\".

PS. native Halion version is out within next week (Kontakt/EXS24 mk II too) on a Multi-format CD. Mac/Pc

Juts after the release I will make a new special programming which will be very Live.
This can be done in Halion and Kontakt because I can use more velocity-zones.

You can hear all bass demoes \"naked\" on my website at www.scarbee.com (\"http://www.scarbee.com\") - this is how it would sound on your gear too. (no processing) Also note that students get 50% off price...

------------------
Thomas Hansen Skarbye
Sample Library Producer - SCARBEE
www.scarbee.com (\"http://www.scarbee.com\")

[Ned Bouhalassa]

Perhaps this thread should now be called Bass Library Options, instead of Trilogy demos?

[RaGe]

Cut throat business uh? images/icons/grin.gif

[thesoundsmith]

Don\'t be - it\'s not like you are cutting Trilogy to promote your product, I have found it a stimulating and informative discussion. And (unlike some threads in the past by other developers who shall not be named) a very gentlemanly (what\'s the politically correct version of \'gentlemanly\'? personally? folkily? images/icons/confused.gif ) and courteous discussion.

Besides, (to keep it on topic) Eric, I am VERY interested in how many of these modules could be run at the same time in a 512M laptop - 1 or 2 Trilogy, 2 or 3 Atmos\'es, say one with the orchestral strings, and another for \'solo\' - would it run, or crumble under its own weight?

Dasher

[spectrum]

That example would work fine on a 512m laptop.

Trilogy uses very little cpu at all (mainly because monophonic Bass is easy on the processing power.) It will even run on a 300mhz or less machine.

The Acoustic Bass is presented in different size variations too (versions from about 60-300mbs). The Acoustic is one of the largest patches in the module.

Like with Atmosphere, you have the option of using 16 or 32bit playback mode...with 32bit mode taking two times the size.

spectrum

[SCARBEE]

Originally posted by Ned Bouhalassa:
Perhaps this thread should now be called Bass Library Options, instead of Trilogy demos? <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Yeah- why not images/icons/wink.gif

No, I get it... sorry images/icons/blush.gif