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Forum: Common Problems in Orchestration

by Prof. Alan Belkin

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  2. Sticky Thread Sticky: Introduction to Series 2

    Introduction to Series 2 Our second series of exercises allows students to explore an important subject in orchestration: orchestrating harmony (chords) for woodwind. Unlike strings and brass, the woodwind family consists of several quite diverse timbres. This means that arranging...

    Started by Garritan, 03-17-2007 01:05 PM
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  3. Sticky Thread Sticky: Lesson 2B - Achieving blended Harmony for Winds

    INTERACTIVE COMMON PROBLEMS IN ORCHESTRATION by Professor Alan Belkin Lesson 2B - Achieving Blended Harmony for Winds

    Started by Garritan, 02-08-2007 03:49 PM
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  4. Sticky Thread Sticky: Lesson 2A - Achieving blended Harmony for Winds

    INTERACTIVE COMMON PROBLEMS IN ORCHESTRATION by Professor Alan Belkin Lesson 2A - Achieving Blended Harmony for Winds

    Started by Garritan, 02-08-2007 03:49 PM
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  5. Arrow Sticky Thread Sticky: Interactive Common Problems in Orchestration - USER'S MANUAL

    INTERACTIVE COMMON PROBLEMS OF ORCHESTRATION by Professor Alan Belkin

    Started by Garritan, 02-18-2007 12:16 PM
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  6. Sticky Thread Sticky: on getting feedback

    As I said in the user manual, I don't have time to comment on people's work individually, but: 1) you can listen and comment on each other's work 2) once you have seen and studied the whole series of solutions I will post, many questions will be answered 3) I will answer GENERAL questions. So,...

    Started by belkina, 02-20-2007 09:06 AM
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  7. Sticky Thread Sticky: Lesson 3A - Orchestrating a Crescendo

    INTERACTIVE COMMON PROBLEMS IN ORCHESTRATION by Professor Alan Belkin Lesson 3A - Orchestrating a Crescendo

    Started by Garritan, 02-08-2007 03:57 PM
    book, garritan, horns, lesson, orchestra, orchestration, percussion, piano, score, sound, strings, timpani, winds
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  8. Sticky Thread Sticky: Lesson 3B - Orchestrating a Crescendo

    INTERACTIVE COMMON PROBLEMS IN ORCHESTRATION by Professor Alan Belkin Lesson 3B - Orchestrating a Crescendo

    Started by Garritan, 02-08-2007 03:57 PM
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  9. Sticky Thread Sticky: Lesson 3C - Orchestrating a Crescendo

    INTERACTIVE COMMON PROBLEMS IN ORCHESTRATION by Professor Alan Belkin Lesson 3C - Orchestrating a Crescendo

    Started by Garritan, 02-08-2007 03:57 PM
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  10. Sticky Thread Sticky: Lesson 3D - Orchestrating a Crescendo

    INTERACTIVE COMMON PROBLEMS IN ORCHESTRATION by Professor Alan Belkin Lesson 3D - Orchestrating a Crescendo

    Started by Garritan, 02-08-2007 03:57 PM
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  11. Sticky Thread Sticky: Lesson 3E - Orchestrating a Crescendo

    INTERACTIVE COMMON PROBLEMS IN ORCHESTRATION by Professor Alan Belkin Lesson 3E - Orchestrating a Crescendo

    Started by Garritan, 02-08-2007 03:57 PM
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  12. Sticky Thread Sticky: Lesson 2C - Achieving blended Harmony for Winds

    INTERACTIVE COMMON PROBLEMS IN ORCHESTRATION by Professor Alan Belkin Lesson 2C - Achieving Blended Harmony for Winds

    Started by Garritan, 02-08-2007 03:49 PM
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  13. Sticky Thread Sticky: Lesson 2D - Achieving blended Harmony for Winds

    INTERACTIVE COMMON PROBLEMS IN ORCHESTRATION by Professor Alan Belkin Lesson 2D - Achieving Blended Harmony for Winds

    Started by Garritan, 02-08-2007 03:49 PM
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  14. Sticky Thread Sticky: Lesson 2E - Achieving blended Harmony for Winds

    INTERACTIVE COMMON PROBLEMS IN ORCHESTRATION by Professor Alan Belkin Lesson 2E - Achieving Blended Harmony for Winds

    Started by Garritan, 02-08-2007 03:49 PM
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  15. Sticky Thread Sticky: Lesson 2F - Achieving blended Harmony for Winds

    INTERACTIVE COMMON PROBLEMS IN ORCHESTRATION by Professor Alan Belkin Lesson 2F - Achieving Blended Harmony for Winds

    Started by Garritan, 02-08-2007 03:49 PM
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  16. Sticky Thread Sticky: Lesson 2G - Achieving blended Harmony for Winds

    INTERACTIVE COMMON PROBLEMS IN ORCHESTRATION by Professor Alan Belkin Lesson 2G - Achieving Blended Harmony for Winds

    Started by Garritan, 02-08-2007 03:49 PM
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  17. Sticky Thread Sticky: Lesson 2H - Achieving blended Harmony for Winds

    INTERACTIVE COMMON PROBLEMS IN ORCHESTRATION by Professor Alan Belkin Lesson 2H - Achieving Blended Harmony for Winds

    Started by Garritan, 02-08-2007 03:49 PM
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  18. Sticky Thread Sticky: Lesson 1A - Transcribing a Piano Accompaniment - by Prof. Alan Belkin

    INTERACTIVE COMMON PROBLEMS IN ORCHESTRATION by Professor Alan Belkin Lesson 1A - Transcribing a Piano Accompaniment

    Started by Garritan, 02-08-2007 12:45 PM
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  19. Sticky Thread Sticky: Lesson 1B - Transcribing a Piano Accompaniment - by Prof. Alan Belkin

    INTERACTIVE COMMON PROBLEMS IN ORCHESTRATION by Professor Alan Belkin Lesson 1 - Transcribing a Piano Accompaniment

    Started by Garritan, 02-08-2007 12:45 PM
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  20. Sticky Thread Sticky: Lesson 1C - Transcribing a Piano Accompaniment - by Prof. Alan Belkin

    INTERACTIVE COMMON PROBLEMS IN ORCHESTRATION by Professor Alan Belkin Lesson 1C - Transcribing a Piano Accompaniment

    Started by Garritan, 02-08-2007 12:45 PM
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  21. Sticky Thread Sticky: Lesson 1D - Transcribing a Piano Accompaniment - by Prof. Alan Belkin

    INTERACTIVE COMMON PROBLEMS IN ORCHESTRATION by Professor Alan Belkin Lesson 1D - Transcribing a Piano Accompaniment

    Started by Garritan, 02-08-2007 12:45 PM
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  22. Sticky Thread Sticky: Lesson 1E - Transcribing a Piano Accompaniment - by Prof. Alan Belkin

    INTERACTIVE COMMON PROBLEMS IN ORCHESTRATION by Professor Alan Belkin Lesson 1E - Transcribing a Piano Accompaniment

    Started by Garritan, 02-08-2007 12:45 PM
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  23. Sticky Thread Sticky: Lesson 1F - Transcribing a Piano Accompaniment - by Prof. Alan Belkin

    INTERACTIVE COMMON PROBLEMS IN ORCHESTRATION by Professor Alan Belkin Lesson 1F - Transcribing a Piano Accompaniment

    Started by Garritan, 02-08-2007 12:45 PM
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  24. Arrow Sticky Thread Sticky: Welcome to "Common Problems in Orchestration" Course by Alan Belkin

    INTERACTIVE COMMON PROBLEMS OF ORCHESTRATION by Professor Alan Belkin

    Started by Garritan, 02-08-2007 12:12 PM
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  25.   Normal Threads  

  1. Violins fall

    Hi everyone, i have GOP4 and Cubase 5. I'm looking for the effect of a short violin hit, falling down (slide) This is very common in Disco or funk. Is there a way to do it ? I've been searching a lot, tweaking a lot but didn't find anything.. Another thing, GOP 4 is said to be working with...

    Started by nickfonk, 08-25-2009 10:37 AM
    cubase, cubase 5, disco, expressions, garritan, install, legato, midi, orchestra, portamento, samples, section, sound, steinberg, violin, volume, vst
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    11-06-2009 12:34 AM Go to last post
  2. Assignment 2A

    this is my adaptation of the bach's choral for woodwinds http://downgrade89.altervista.org/Assign2A.mp3 I followed Korsakov's principles for harmony in the woodwind, there is a first version forte with (in the order of the voices): Clarinet Oboe Bassoon 1

    Started by Downgrade, 03-19-2007 10:11 AM
    air, bach, composition, error, garritan, guitar, midi, music, organ, piano, sibelius, solo, work
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  3. assignment #1

    Hello, I attempted the first assignment and I want to know what you all think. http://www.mydocsonline.com/pub/n3wman918/theorytest1.mp3

    Started by n3wman918, 02-19-2007 03:41 PM
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    1 2 3 ... 5
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  4. Use of Electronic or Sampled Drums

    I am trying to orchestrate a musical -- and to keep the number of musicians required to the bare minimum. At the moment I am using 2 percussion players and 2 keyboard players. The first percussionist plays a standard drumkit like you find in most shows - kick drum, snare, toms, cymbols and hi-hat....

    Started by ejr, 01-17-2008 12:33 PM
    gpo, keyboard, live, orchestra, percussion, problem, reverb, samples, sound, standard, timpani, work
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  5. trombone versus euphonium ?

    Hi, I have a question about arranging concerning trombone versus tenortuba ( euphonium) Both belong in the tenor voice. But what's the difference between them. They both have the same range. Are they usual unisono ? If not, is the tromb. placed beneath the tuba, or vice versa ?

    Started by koella, 12-28-2007 04:37 AM
    air, brass, cello, concert, decibel, gpo, guitars, horns, legato, live, movie, music, orchestra, orchestral, orchestration, performance, portamento, problem, question, solo, sound, speed, standard, trombone
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    01-03-2008 01:35 AM Go to last post
  6. Hymn-Orchestration

    :hp: Hello! I have bought RK Principles of Orchestration already at about 1963 and was very astonished and glad when I saw that RK's work was to read at IT! And fantastic that I am able to hear his examples. Just now I am going to orchestrate the most popular swedish psalm/chorale/ hymn,...

    Started by Ingvar Leion, 12-31-2007 02:10 PM
    brass, choir, clarinet, examples, folk, orchestra, orchestration, solo, strings, swedish, work
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  7. Hi, there!

    I just discovered your excellent lessons! :heart: What do I have to do to participate in this course besides reading about it? Can I have the assignments done from the beginning? Will there be feedback available? :wow: Thanks!

    Started by manossg, 02-26-2007 10:48 AM
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    11-08-2007 01:22 PM Go to last post
  8. Assignment to Lesson A1 ( by Chikitin)

    Here's what I got! DB+celli+Violas play Pizzicato. First and sencond violins play arco. I really wanted to have entire strings play arco the last two measures. But how can i do this in Finale with GPO? Hope I get some feedback. Thanks so much in advance. Score picture: Lesson1A.JPG...

    Started by chikitin, 11-08-2007 01:14 PM
    finale, gpo, lesson, orchestra, orchestration, strings
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  9. More Lessons?

    I'm wondering if there are going to be more lessons in this area. I don't see new posts. These lessons (the last one especially) take a lot of time an effort to truely digest. I have learned and enjoyed these lessons greatly. I hope they continue. Thank You!

    Started by nova.music, 05-18-2007 10:52 AM
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    08-27-2007 09:48 PM Go to last post
  10. working the course

    fellow students while working through the course lessons, I wrote orchestral music to try and better understand what I wanted to learn. I offer it as a way to get more out of the course. tony h

    Started by jamiha, 06-19-2007 08:30 PM
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  11. a new piece ...

    ... by your friendly neighbourhood orchestration teacher! Lydian Overture, 6 minutes, for small orchestra. http://www.musique.umontreal.ca/personnel/Belkin/Overture.mp3

    Started by belkina, 06-01-2007 09:44 AM
    contemporary classical, music, orchestra, orchestral, orchestration, professional
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    06-12-2007 03:39 PM Go to last post
  12. Question about Rhythm in 3A

    Prof Belkin, I noticed that the phrasing in exercise 3 starts on beat 2 and ends on beat one of the next measure. My natural insticts, had I been composing this piece, would have been to start the phrase on beat 1 and end up with the accent on beat 4. This might be an insignificant thing, ...

    Started by nova.music, 04-21-2007 10:07 AM
    bach, beats, composing, jazz, music, orchestra, orchestral, performance, question, theme
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    04-27-2007 05:03 PM Go to last post
  13. missing lesson!

    Don't panic! Lesson 2H - the final, GOOD solution - seems to have been misplaced. I just resent it to Gary, it should be up soon. Sorry, Alan

    Started by belkina, 04-18-2007 09:21 AM
    lesson
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  14. Assignetment 2C

    Perhaps is this the answer of the problem, to make little pedals on the "crossing notes" with 2 woodwind instruments. The contrabassoon does sound profound and it seems to be a step nearer to the solution. The flutes will also be duplicated to hold the balance. a.Version 2C audio...

    Started by mrcaster, 03-29-2007 07:58 PM
    audio, brass, clarinet, movie, problem, question, score, sound, work
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    03-31-2007 10:06 AM Go to last post
  15. just a note from the prof ...

    ... to say sorry the newer posts have been a bit delayed. There are a lot more on the way. I also want to emphasize that in this exercise in particular ALL the solutions are worth listening to, even the "bad" ones, because there are so many possible sound combinations here, that it's important to...

    Started by belkina, 03-26-2007 12:17 PM
    note, sound
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  16. Version 2

    It was not easy to find the right place for the tenor voice. Saxo's are also Woodwind. Also for Bach? This is my version. Bach Woodwind 2 (http://www.box.net/shared/i0g07tjpd2)

    Started by mrcaster, 03-18-2007 08:19 PM
    bach, brass, horns, place, problem, winds
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    03-19-2007 08:53 AM Go to last post
  17. Final version now posted

    Note the use of various small touches to give this version a few special moments. These details must be subtle, and also, added at the right places. Important question: *where* in the phrase are the appropriate moments for special emphasis, and why? When you understand this question, you will...

    Started by belkina, 03-11-2007 09:20 AM
    composing, harp, midi, music, note, orchestra, orchestration, problem, question, strings, trumpet, violin, work
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    03-17-2007 05:42 PM Go to last post
  18. Assignment # 1-D

    Here is Tony H's #1-D assignment: http://www.garritan.com/RK/Belkin/th-orchproblems1D.mp3 Thanks again Tony for sending this. Excellent work as usual. Gary Garritan

    Started by Garritan, 03-07-2007 11:07 PM
    garritan, work
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    03-07-2007 11:07 PM Go to last post
  19. 1E is now posted

    I-E is the first version with no real problems. It is quite satisfactory as to all the basics. Try to understand WHY. But, it could still be a touch better: Here is where you start to learn the difference between GOOD orchestration and ARTISTIC orchestration.

    Started by belkina, 03-06-2007 11:18 AM
    length, orchestra, orchestration, violin
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    03-06-2007 02:44 PM Go to last post
  20. Lesson 1d now posted

    This is the first version which is decent. It could be much more refined, but the basics of a good solution are now present. Compare your solutions with this one: they should at a minimum resemble this in their STRUCTURE, even if some details may be different.

    Started by belkina, 02-28-2007 12:58 PM
    composition, garritan, lesson
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    03-01-2007 08:34 PM Go to last post

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