Yellow Tools Announcements

**Nick Phoenix** · 12-30-2003, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by Bruce A. Richardson:
I certainly count Kontakt as a leading edge application. And, it is an open platform when developers choose to develop for it, and not for Kompakt. So, I encourage people to support developers who create open-platform Kontakt libraries as well.

Sadly, most people do support open-platform by stealing the sounds. So we have a dilema, copy protection allows bigger and better libraries to be made, but is a negative for the consumer, especially the small minority tweaker. Some of this can be counter-acted by making the software cheaper, which we have already seen. Examples- Stylus, Hardcore Bass, GPO and EWQLSO.

**Nick Phoenix** · 12-30-2003, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Tarkio Road:
David Abraham Fenton said:

If you like the sound of EWQLSO, you should have the option of buying it as a standalone library to be used in a full-featured sampler. You shouldn\'t have to buy a crippled player just to get access to the sounds. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

YOU DO! It now works in Kontakt and you can do everything but export the waves. You can even alter sample start times and edit the loops. This is really a non-issue for EWQLSO.

**Bruce A. Richardson** · 12-30-2003, 03:00 PM

And we have VSL, Scarbee, Dan Dean, GOS, and several libraries of your own to say that people are making money on open-platform libraries as well.

The answer is always more titles. No different than writing music. If you want to make more sales, you put out titles. You build a catalog so that someone is always buying something.

**Marsdy** · 12-30-2003, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Nick Phoenix:
I believe that the Yellow Tools decision was purely monetary. There is alot less money in the sample business for the developers than you might think. I am guessing that despite the excellence of their products, they are facing extinction. Pirated Culture is floating all around LA and the drum, bass and saxaphone genres have become incredibly competitive. I think they should consider challenge response.

This thread certainley isn\'t helping them stay in business [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]

**Marsdy** · 12-30-2003, 03:15 PM

double post

**Marsdy** · 12-30-2003, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Bruce A. Richardson:
And we have VSL, Scarbee, Dan Dean, GOS, and several libraries of your own to say that people are making money on open-platform libraries as well.

The answer is always more titles. No different than writing music. If you want to make more sales, you put out titles. You build a catalog so that someone is always buying something.

How do you do that if your first big product is pirated to the extent that you make no money and go out of business?

**Alexcremers** · 12-30-2003, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by Bruce A. Richardson:

The answer is always more titles. No different than writing music. If you want to make more sales, you put out titles. You build a catalog so that someone is always buying something.

Yes, indeed, or just one of those titles is a lucky number while all the others you wrote are deadborn. Either way, the more the merrier.

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Alex Cremers

**Bruce A. Richardson** · 12-30-2003, 03:33 PM

Lee: In fact, I do not like copy protection of any kind, and if you were privy to my private communications with both Nemesys and Waves you would know that I lobby very heavily for them to avoid using it...for exactly the same reason I lobby everyone to avoid using it. IT DOESN\'T HAVE ANY EFFECT, except to divert money away from creating!!!

Both Waves and Giga are out there for the downloading. CP didn\'t work. Never does. Never ever. When someone invents the pick-free lock, let\'s be sure to put them right to work on perpetual motion and inventing girls who still like to give head after they\'re married.

**Ouch that hurts** · 12-30-2003, 03:46 PM

Fortunately, as new plug-in formats evolve and the old ones need updating, there\'s an opportunity for these companies to regain control of the situation. Unlike pure content, these products do not remain cracked forever.

Yeah, there\'s usually a couple of days\' grace between the release of a new update and the crack appearing on Kazaa!

Lee, the problem with your argument is that you have consistently avoided addressing one fundamental issue (although its been thrown at you several times). That is that copy protection doesn\'t actually DO what it is supposed to do.

Years ago when I first started building DAWS, I got hold of illegal copies of every program, sample set etc I wanted, as simple as a few phone calls. It was the only way I could see of making sense of the software maze and working out what I should really spend my money on.

I now work professionally and everything on my system is legit. But that\'s not because of copy protection, its (a) because I\'ve worked out what software I really want to run, narrowed it down to what I can afford, and I WANT to support the vendors of it, and (b) because I can\'t be entertaining the hassle and risk of putting things out there with uncleared samples. But I know people still doing the non-professional thing who have every program and sample under the sun on their systems. Cubase dongle? I don\'t use Cubase but I know many people who do, and I rarely see a dongle except in professional studios (and many of them even install the crack, despite having bought the program, to save themselves the grief). Personally I have given my money to Cakewalk for a copy of Sonar that I can just get on and use.

I tend to think Bruce and Nick are on the case - making money from sampling is difficult so sample developers are trying to corner the player side of things as well, either directly or through agreements with NI etc. This is a fair enough business decision on their part, but we need to consider what is actually best for us as end-users, and not be diverted by misleading assumptions that copy protection is actually about eliminating piracy.

I\'m with Bruce. There are too many unknowns in a DAW already, without having the use of your samples dependent on dongles, authorisation codes etc (and thus ALWAYS dependent on the company staying in business). My DAW is mine, I\'ve sweated blood to tame it and make it do what I want, and I\'d rather have its content in a flexible open format that I can do what I like with, thanks very much.

Competition is a wonderful thing. I\'ll be buying VSL.

**Ouch that hurts** · 12-30-2003, 03:49 PM

Both Waves and Giga are out there for the downloading. CP didn\'t work. Never does. Never ever. When someone invents the pick-free lock, let\'s be sure to put them right to work on perpetual motion and inventing girls who still like to give head after they\'re married.

LOL! Now there\'s ONE product I\'ll take sight unseen. Where can I place an advance order?