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    IP Theft case....please read the CNN links if you\'ve not done so

    First, take a quick read:

    Oscar Screener on Internet successfully ID\'d to source

    I can hear Academy sphincters tightening round the world!! Whatever a member\'s attitude about letting other people see their screeners was until today, you can bet that it has been changed FOREVER by this. Anybody who has let family and friends take those tapes out of their sight is probably sweating like a whore in church right about now. And in seeing this, and seeing the very likely upcoming expulsion and lawsuit directed towards the leaker...THIS WORKED.

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    This is a great example - and what\'s even more interesting is that peer-to-peer networks are now being pursued by the porn industry, which means that maybe Congress will pay attention to that side of the equation. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

    Kazaa Can Block Downloads, But Won\'t -Porn Firm

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    Kazaa Can Block Downloads, But Won\'t -Porn Firm
    2 hours, 39 minutes ago

    By Andy Sullivan

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An adult-video company has complained to the U.S. Congress that the owners of the Kazaa Internet file-trading service have not blocked users of the network from downloading its films, even though they have the technology to do so.



    Pornography producer Titan Media said Kazaa\'s owner, Sharman Networks, can closely monitor activity on the network through \"spyware\" installed on users\' computers and could use that capability to block its users from downloading copyrighted files.


    But Titan said in a letter to Congress that Sharman has not cooperated with a request to stop unauthorized copying of Titan\'s adult videos over its network.


    Titan\'s letter, released late Monday, is the latest blow to Sharman as it battles charges that it facilitates widespread copyright abuse and the spread of child pornography over its Kazaa network. Millions use Kazaa to copy music, movies and other computer files from each others\' hard drives, without paying royalties for copyrighted material.
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    Re: IP Theft case....please read the CNN links if you\'ve not done so

    At first when I read the title of this thread I thought, \"here it is again....\" After reading your post and the article, I am pleased that this can be brought to everyone\'s attention. I agree that this will reduce the piracy rate. It will most definitely end the times of casual trading and \"borrowing.\"

    The one main catch in this circumstance is that the file had to be downloaded before being traced. This is indeed a requirement, but much of an \"after the fact.\" Now one person will get sentenced and thousands of others will still have the movie for free. You could probably download it right now with nobody stopping you. The end result must tie a users ABILITY TO USE THE SOFTWARE to his/her unique ID.

    Watermarking works IF it also disables the use of the software by others. I can already see the organizations that pirate *specifically* audio software setting up a watermark that has their name on it so it ties it into the organization. They can still cover their tracks but it must disable the use of it by others.

    Again, like I said before.....if someone is interested in doing this, email me or pm me. I have a good working theory on this and don\'t have the means to make it happen. This sounds a little out there - but I wish someone could hear me out.

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    Re: IP Theft case....please read the CNN links if you\'ve not done so

    While I can\'t know exactly how your plan might work, what strikes me about what you\'re saying is that it would still depend upon sampleware assuming a basic state of \"brokenness,\" which would only be \"fixed\" under the single correct condition.

    That is the problem most have with CCP overall, that it introduces a state of lockdown on any sort of external editing, mixing up with other samples to create hybrids, etc. It makes a library \"monolithic\" rather than what it is...a library, a collection.

    I am always interested in ideas. If you would like to PM me, I will respect whatever you desire held in confidence, and if I can, help you hook up with someone.

    Meanwhile, I think the CNN story is a big deal. Sure, that movie may be out there in a few hands. But it took a while. Having received the publicity it has, and will probably continue to receive, it will change attitudes in that circle. People WON\'T be letting those things out quite so easily.

    Piracy didn\'t start in a day. It won\'t stop in a day. But what we\'ve seen so far does not work. This seems to be something that can change the culture, and THAT is the real answer, not technology, but a true shift in attitude brought about by responsibility and consequences for shirking it.

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    Re: IP Theft case....please read the CNN links if you\'ve not done so

    Update: CNN story on Oscar Screeners

    FBI is now involved in screener case

    The sphincters tighten further...

    The upshot: Before posting on the internet, all visible identifications of this film as a screener were removed, presumably in the case of the crawler, it was cropped and resampled. The watermark survived, and identified the original leaker.

    I truly believe we could change the culture of swapping and sharing with a solution like this. Talk of watermarking earlier was too focused on trying to catch people using pirated libraries in actual musical work. Shifting the focus to prosecuting those who distribute stolen goods in CRIMINAL investigations, like the one in the example here, can reverse the culture of piracy and stop it right where it starts.

    This screener case is truly setting a precedent. It is in the mainstream public eye. There has never been a better opportunity for our industry to shift tactics to this infinitely more fair, and more effective model--putting responsibility where it lies, and freeing our tools from unneccessary and ineffective lockdowns.

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    I\'m curious to know how much piracy really cuts into the various industries.

    Take the music industry, for example. Is the recent slump in CD sales really a result of piracy or is it simply because the majority of the music being produced these days sucks? Perhaps bloated production costs are what really drain the industry of bucks -- I know that\'s true in the movie industry.

    I truly doubt that piracy makes THAT much of a dent in movie company profits. Considering the movie industry gets stronger and more profitable nearly every year.

    That said, I\'m certainly not advocating piracy and I do think protection is necessary. But it also seems to me to be much a do about nothing.

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    Re: IP Theft case....please read the CNN links if you\'ve not done so

    Well, I may be anti-CCP as far as sampler libraries are concerned, but I am 10,000,000 times more angry at the presumably \"legitimate\" users who have brought this entire episode to bear.

    The very reason I loathe the current \"lockdown\" methods of copy protection are that they don\'t work, and that they have no component for identifying the scumbags who cause the problem--these legit users who don\'t care about the fellow they\'re robbing, or the rest of us who suffer because they\'re too self-centered to consider the impact of their actions.

    If we can push a system of CP into existance that relies on identification instead of locks, it will be a pleasure to see those who have caused this problem get their just desserts.

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    Re: IP Theft case....please read the CNN links if you\'ve not done so

    I work in the Consumer Electronics industry. The CP issue has definitely hamstrung our efforts in home networking.

    For instance, wouldn\'t it be cool if you played a CD or DVD once, and it automatically was copied to a media server in your home network, including all the meta data like title, genre, actors and such. The second time you want to watch the movie or listen to the CD, you just select it from anywhere in your house and watch it.

    Some companies are starting to do this with CDs. Some don\'t bacuase they\'re afraid of being sued. No one can legally do this with DVDs.

    I\'ve seen it first hand. CP and legal issues stifle technology development.

    On the other hand, I sure wish that Nick and Gary would release their latest products for Giga. They don\'t feel protected as it stands. A solution that gives our friends confidence in their media security, and allows technological innovation and consumer flexibility would be awesome. Is watermarking it? Time will tell.

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    I thought many libraries used watermarking today. Wasn\'t there talk of inaudible watermarking on Garritan strings and EWQLSO? Maybe I remember wrong.

    Anyway, it certainly is a good idea. That way you know who leaked.

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    You\'re right about GOS. It says so right on the CD\'s. Unless its a bluff. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

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