Originally posted by Bruce A. Richardson:
That said, it\'s probably a good generator of basic rhythm tracks as you\'re stating, but then again, so are a lot of things. If you\'re not a \"synthesis guy\" then Reason may not automatically give you the results you seek. You\'ll still have to design your schemes, it may have some presets that are cool, but if you\'re trying to knock off very specific tracks, then you\'ll have to get down and dirty with filtering to do that. It won\'t just be \"load a preset and go.\"
I\'m not trying to discourage you a bit, but simply reminding you that a LOT of options exist, and some are definitely more powerful than Reason.
Kontakt is a great platform for percussion--the new Electronic Drums library for Battery/Kontakt is totally slamming, and inside Kontakt, you can customize and design automated filtering processes that just slam Reason completely in the dust. Then again, you\'re going to pay more money for it...but in this case, you\'d also be getting the flexibility of a plugin implementation, which is going to be more robust than a Rewire implementation...not to mention a VERY nice 3 GB library bundled with the app.\"
First off, thanks for the detailed and informative reply.
Didn\'t know about Kontact, though had heard of it, will go find a demo.
Yes, the idea of doing rhythm tracks....drums mainly, with a perhaps a few other flourishes from the other modules, is mainly how I\'d use Reason I suspect. In fact, let me quote a friend from over in the DigiDesign forum, where I\'m also discussing this...it\'s a bit long but I think it\'s a good illustration of how I might want to use it, and I\'d like to hear what you think:
I\'m using just Reason and ProTools, I don\'t use Logic on my Mac ( I have Logic and another copy of Reason on my PC rig, along with GigaSampler, but that is another thread...).
The ReFuse thing works great. I use Reason mainly for getting whacked out loops built. It has the coolest cheesy compressors and distortion units, and you can mix and match multiple loops on multiple loop players, building up the mondo-est loop. I record that into ProTools and use the repeat function, cut and paste etc.
Since the addition of the Maelstrom synth in Reason 2.0, I\'ve been using it to get some real wild pads and stuff. So I use it and other Reason Devices like any of my other virtual synths.
One other thing I do is use Recycle to turn any loop into a REX 2 file that Reason can read. So ALL my ACID loops can be read by Recycle/Reason. I\'ve actually found new life for a lot of these loops, because once a loop is \"Rex\'ed\" and imported into Reason, you can manipulate the slices, so for example, you can get rid of the snare in the verses and have it return in the chorus. Something Acid can\'t do. Eric Persing\'s STYLUS does a similar thing with \"Groove Control\", slicing up the loop and adding a midi file that triggers each slice.
Reason is also the coolest writing tool. I take it and an Oxygen 8 keyboard with me everywhere I go and I can write anywhere. Then get back and dump it into ProTools.
Another thing I have noticed about Reason, is that I can build a loop involving many devices at a certain tempo and when I export that loop as a file (.wav file) and import it into a ProTools session that\'s at the same tempo, it fits perfectly. Some other products that I have used the export loop function on do not seem to see tempos exactly like ProTools and I end up having to trim/time stretch/slice up them to make the loop ready to repeat through a song. An imported Reason loop fits exactly. \" ---RC Studio, Digi Forum.
Now back to your response....
\"So is letting go of the 5080 an either/or situation?\"
Kind of. It\'s a cash problem, as always And truthfully, I dont\' use the 5080 for anything but the items I mentioned. I use Giga for everything else.
\"My personal pics:
Organ: NI B4. You cannot beat it. There are $2000+ hardware solutions that sound like dog crap compared to B4.\"
I have heard this, and yep, you are correct. As I recall, the price was stiff.....
Rhodes: My favorite giga-Rhodes is the \"slow Rhodes\" on Franz\'s VR Sound Giga Module disc. It\'s a three-layer, looped, down and dirty suitcase sample. All the others I\'ve heard are too clean--this one has enough hair on it to sit in a mix. And while the Rhodes samples alone pretty much make this disc a good buy, you get a LOT of really slamming rhythm section samples. None of them are particularly huge or deeply sampled, yet there\'s not a weak link in the whole bunch. Totally usable stuff.
\"Fake\" Rhodes: My picks here are FM-7 for the classic DX Rhodes, and Pro-53 for the classic \"Prophet Rhodes.\" There is a FREE Wurly giga-sample here on Northernsounds that is very nice.\"
Great info. Will check out....
Voices: I think Symphony of Voices and Vocal Planet, by Spectrasonics (Eric Persing), and Voices of the Apocalypse, by Quantum Leap/EastWest (Nick Phoenix) would cover just about every angle.\"
Yes, they would probably cover it all. I do have Nick\'s set already for the more classic voice stuff. It\'s the Enya style layers that the 5080 excels at...
Drums: Kontakt with the Studio Drums and Electronic Drums libraries. You already have Purrrfect Drums which gives you all the clean drums and pristine cymbals you\'ll ever need.
OK, the problem here, obviously, is that the grand total is probably more than you\'ll get for the 5080. But it\'s a list of options to explore.