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    randomly change tuning of instrument

    I would like to take an instrument, for example french horn, and somehow apply a very subtle random change in pitch by cents. My objective is to use the same instrument twice, but have on one instrument change pitch ever so slightly to simulate a different second player. The second instrument would also have a slightly different EQ setting to further add to the sense of two different players. Does anyone know if this is possible. I use sonar x1 for a DAW.
    Thanks, Jay.

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    Re: randomly change tuning of instrument

    Isn't that what CC#22 (Intonation) is for? I have used it and it does give a more realistic players sound. It can be varied within a piece with CC data to bring a player in and out of tune (slightly of course). Also there is CC#23 (Timbre) which alters the timbre of the instrument which is useful when a player goes to extreme ranges of there instrument. You can use CC#23 to change the timbre which is what will happen on a real players instrument. Timbre and intonation changes in fast scale passages helps add realism as well.

    My 2 cents worth anyway.
    [Music is the Rhythm, Harmony and Breath of Life]
    "Music is music, and a note's a note" - Louis 'Satchmo' Armstrong

    Rich

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    Re: randomly change tuning of instrument

    Hey Rich! I did not know about cc#22 and cc#23. That sounds like what I am looking for. I will experiment. Thanks for responding. Jay

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    Re: randomly change tuning of instrument

    Rich! I just looked on the internet and cc22 thru 32 or something is undefined. Where did you see the definitions that you are talking about? Jay

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    Re: randomly change tuning of instrument

    Those definitions are from the list of CC# in the JaBB and GPO manuals. I have had the list laminated years ago and keep it handy for references to CC usage with Garritan samples. I think someone way back in 2006 made the nifty reference sheet and I have kept it every since. I'm sure it could be found in the dungeons of this website. If not let me know and I will scan mine and send it to you.
    [Music is the Rhythm, Harmony and Breath of Life]
    "Music is music, and a note's a note" - Louis 'Satchmo' Armstrong

    Rich

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    Re: randomly change tuning of instrument

    Ok Rich. Thanks for the tip. I am also looking for something that works with non garritan libraries. Jay

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    Re: randomly change tuning of instrument

    I use those CCs with JABB instruments all the time. To my ears, they are what make the instruments sound realistic. But I use them very judiciously (usually when a note is repeated) and I keep the values fairly low. Too much and it just sounds out-of-tune.

    Allegro Data Solutions

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    Re: randomly change tuning of instrument

    Bonus points to Rich and ejr - You lads steered Jay exactly right with the "Var 1" and "Var 2" (CC22 and 23) info.

    Do take heed of ejr's last post, Jay - A leeeeetle bit goes a long ways. If you can record the data live, it's best, so you can get an immediate feel for what you're doing. Swoops up only go up maybe 10% of the way to get what you need.

    CC22 is the one used most often, the pitch variation. It's rather like subtle pitch bend. In other non-Garritan instruments, if you can't find these kind of fine tuning controls, set your wheel to just 1/2 step and barely move it - it gets the same basic effect. Tonal variety in the timbre, like CC23 can be done by automating any EQ plugin.

    Randy

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    Re: randomly change tuning of instrument

    Hey ejr and Randy. Thanks for the advice. I will experiment with this. Jay.

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    Re: randomly change tuning of instrument

    Quote Originally Posted by jaynkate01 View Post
    Hey ejr and Randy. Thanks for the advice. I will experiment with this. Jay.
    How's that going for you, Jay? Automating those Var1 and Var 2 controls really can help lend authenticity to GPO recordings -hope you're finding that to be the case.

    Randy

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