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    Classical Style Demo with Voice and Piano

    Here\'s a brief piece for voice and piano. The soprano sample is a widely used one.

    Please let me know what you think.


    http://www.planetcanadice.com/Music/Chansonette_M.Drost.mp3

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    Re: Classical Style Demo with Voice and Piano

    What Soprano sample is it anyway?

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    Re: Classical Style Demo with Voice and Piano

    Please let me know what you think.
    <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Sounds artificial!!!

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    Re: Classical Style Demo with Voice and Piano

    Brady,

    The piano is the Gigastudio piano. More reverb may do the trick.

    Xenakis,

    The soprano is from Symphony of Voices. I am looking for another vocals library that would be appropriate for this sort of composition. (I was wondering about the Diva library.)

    I am not happy with the attack of the vocal. I would like it develop more quickly. The problem is getting the staccato samples to mesh with the long sustained \'ooh\' sample. The ooh sample has a very slow attack.


    Leogardini,

    Precisely what sounds artificial? I am assuming it is the vocal sample. Would you be more specific?


    Thanks for listening and thanks for commenting!

    Marko

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    Re: Classical Style Demo with Voice and Piano

    Yes , It´s the vocal sample!!!

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    Re: Classical Style Demo with Voice and Piano

    Here\'s a wetter version of the previous piece. I don\'t know if the extra reverb helps. It may mask some shortcomings of the samples themselves, but I do not know if it enhances the piece as a whole.

    What do you think?

    http://www.planetcanadice.com/Music/Chansonette_M.Drost.mp3

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    Re: Classical Style Demo with Voice and Piano

    Ignoring the sample issue, I\'d say it\'s a nice little impressionistic piece that makes me think of a foggy cliff overlooking a rocky beach.

    That said, this recent crop of vocal samples, in adding various articulations and attacks, straight tone and vibrato, delayed vibrato, intervals, etc., is making sampled vocal lines potentially useable for the first time, which is a good thing---but only in the right setting, which will nearly always be as a somewhat distant element necessarily peeking through or over a lush or otherwise effected foreground.

    I don\'t think I\'m going too far out on a limb when I predict that not Diva, Spectrasonics, VSL or anybody else will ever, ever make believable the use of sampled solo vocals in this type of up-front, exposed way. It seems our sensitivity to musical nuance increases logarithmically as we move from percussion through strings to winds to voices.

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    Re: Classical Style Demo with Voice and Piano

    Hey Marko,

    This stuff I snipped from another thread may be relevant to your situation:

    Perhaps it\'s worth listening to a few other demos which place Diva more \'up front\' and exposed in the mix. I think they compare pretty well with what you\'ve been able to coax out of the SOV soloist...

    Daniel Moy\'s Golgotha...
    http://www.beladmedia.com/audio/golgotha.mp3

    for contrast, and a bit more \'up tempo\'
    Rob Elliott\'s Wood Nymph...
    http://www.beladmedia.com/audio/wood-nymph.mp3

    and another by Daniel, Resurrection, done very much in the style for which Diva was intended...
    http://www.beladmedia.com/audio/resurrection.mp3

    Cheers
    Rick

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    Re: Classical Style Demo with Voice and Piano

    You might want to add a bit of reverb to the piano. It sounds a little dry to me... but then again, I like reverb more than some people. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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    Re: Classical Style Demo with Voice and Piano

    Thanks for listening again Brady!

    I guess I am too conservative in my application of reverb! I can try inserting a different effect into the piano, but I want to keep the voice and piano in the same room. Perhaps it\'s the way I played the keyboard. (Maybe not enough pedal?)

    I am not sure what you mean when you suggest:

    \"Also you may try mapping the staccs and the sustains to the same channel so that both play at once\"

    Wouldn\'t they be triggered at the same time? Every sustained \'ooh\' would initially start with a distinctly staccato articulation. Wouldn\'t that sound odd?

    Marko

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