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    Changing Attack

    I have GOS and was wondering how to quickly chamge the attack on the strings. They seem to come in pretty slow.

    Any ideas on how to make them more responsive? I have some 32 notes in my sequences that the strings dont even pickup.
    Thanks for any help and advice

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    Re: Changing Attack

    Have you tried the spiccato, sautille or sul tasto patches? Also, what\'s the polyphony count during the 32nd-note sequence?


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    Taking Pat’s lead here, it sounds like you need to give more thought to your use of resources. A slow, flowing legato line is best served by one of the sustain patches, whereas a fast line of 32 notes is not. It is possible to use one of the LEG sustain instruments (in conjunction with MaestroTools) to play very quick passages but you’ll probably find that no single instrument will give you the best results in a line that actually requires the use of very different bow strokes in combination with one another. It’s a little difficult to give specific advice without knowing a great deal more about the nature of the passage you are working on. The solution to your problem could involve applying different articulations to certain notes in the passage, or it could involve the use of layering where you combine instruments to get the results you are after.

    You should note that most sustain instruments use GPC-1 (cc#16) to give a certain amount of control to the speed of attacks (refer to your GOS Controller Assignments document for specific instrument-by-instrument information). Having said that, I still doubt that the particular instruments you’ve chosen are ideal for what you are trying to accomplish.


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    Re: Changing Attack

    Hi Pat and Tom,
    Thanks for your excellent advice. Im new to GOS and Ive been used to generic string patches from a Roland JV 2080, which are nothing like these samples.

    Actually, the part I was trying to record was a sequenced part I recorded using those generic Roland sounds.. They are fast 32nd notes with a very short length, Id call them a fast legato (Im not schooled as you can tell) They are the only sound playing and I have loaded into GigaStudio 160 the first sound from the 1st violin CD.

    I need to try different things for sure, but Im wondering how can I layer string sounds..Can I copy and paste my sequenced tracks, load in some new sounds into parts 2 and 3 or more on Giga and do it that way? Or can I load 2, 3 or more in Giga and make the parts the same MIDI channel?

    Looks like I need to go to school and learn how to program a \"real\" string ensemble

    I have my work cut out for me!

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    Re: Changing Attack

    [QUOTE]Originally posted by keith:
    [QB]They are fast 32nd notes with a very short length, Id call them a fast legato (Im not schooled as you can tell) They are the only sound playing and I have loaded into GigaStudio 160 the first sound from the 1st violin CD.

    First off, let\'s talk music, not samples. Typically, the purpose of a \"legato\" sample is to allow you to put a group of notes under a single bow stroke.

    For 32nd notes, you\'re realistically looking at the up/down bowings under Violin Short Bows. As for which type, that depends on the type of bowing you\'re looking for. In our Writing For Strings course (http://alexuniv.com/AU/strings.html) we have a reference in our online library that takes you to a series of QuickTime movies displaying various bow strokes (http://alexanderpublishing.com/AUOL/stringsclass.html) at the Strings Pedagogy Notebook at the Unversity of Vermont. Look under Quick Time Movies. Watch these videos and see how the bow strokes work.

    Not to be a \"plugster\" but you might also consider our Revised Principles of Orchestration where the best tempos to execute certain bow strokes have been worked out in advance. (http://alexuniv.com/orch_princ.html)

    Again, I apologize for all the plugs. But there are times that having some solid orchestration information can help you approach and learn a detailed library like GOS more quickly. Fortunately, Gary has standard bow strokes (sautille, marcato, spiccato and others) that often don\'t appear in other libraries. Because of this thoughtful planning, you can go to the bowings chapter of our Orchestration book, learn the terms and see full page score examples for each of the bowings. All the examples selected are recorded and available on low cost LaserLight CDs. This gives you a speed learning path of Look, Learn, Listen, Do.

    By just taking a little time with these standard resources, your usability of GOS will increase exponentially. And I can only say this because Gary recorded the standard bowings.

    Because of this thoughtful planning, a little knowledge WILL go a long way.

    Again, my apologies for the crass commercialism.

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    Some notions of orchestration can only help... I\'ve been studying \"The study of orchestration\" by Samuel Adler, which comes with 5 CDs packed with the examples which are scored in the book. This book is totally marvelous!

    When it comes to sequencing, there is no absolute recipe... Layering different articulations is imo unavoidable. I simply copy and paste the notes that I want layered in another midi track and assign the desired program to it. The results can be rewarding...

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    Re: Changing Attack

    As to your question on how to layer the strings, you are on the right track. Just clone your string passage and put it on another sequencer channel and put the sharper attack samples on that channel in the GigaStudio. It\'s a pretty standard and flexible way to work. You can then experiment with various combinations of strings patches while the sequencer is playing back the parts. These layers can also be done in the instrument editor but it requires a little learning and it also locks those instruments together inside a gig file so for now, use the sequencer.
    David Govett

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