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    Menuet-Trio-Menuet from the Serenata in D Op. 25, Beethoven

    Hi everybody,

    This is another exercise to practice the correct use of solo patches. Beethoven provided the fantastic score for violin, viola and flute. I played the piece when I was 18 or 20, ages ago that is...
    It was a pleasure to interpret this music in a more technical way, with samples.

    I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

    Max

    Serenata in D major, L. van Beethoven

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    Re: Menuet-Trio-Menuet from the Serenata in D Op. 25, Beethoven

    Hello Max:

    As I was listening to this piece, (twice), beside enjoying Ludwig's playful majesty, I was thinking back about 20 years, when we would have died in pleasure, would not believed that one (you for example) can produce this electronically. Still, it is incredible. Of course the purists could say that it is still not "real". It isn't.
    To me, it is a new art, not imitating the "real",but creating new interpretation. You are certainly a true artist to make this.
    What did you play a "few" years back? My guess would be the flute...
    Oh, I shut up, I praised you so many times, well, here is one more...

    Ted

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    Re: Menuet-Trio-Menuet from the Serenata in D Op. 25, Beethoven

    Quote Originally Posted by tedvanya View Post
    Hello Max:

    As I was listening to this piece, (twice), beside enjoying Ludwig's playful majesty, I was thinking back about 20 years, when we would have died in pleasure, would not believed that one (you for example) can produce this electronically. Still, it is incredible. Of course the purists could say that it is still not "real". It isn't.
    To me, it is a new art, not imitating the "real",but creating new interpretation. You are certainly a true artist to make this.
    What did you play a "few" years back? My guess would be the flute...
    Oh, I shut up, I praised you so many times, well, here is one more...

    Ted
    You're right, Ted, it was the flute. I was not a very talented virtuoso, but the entire Serenata was written so flute-like (Beethoven must have been assisted by a good flute player), that it was not even so difficult, not even the flute solo part. I played it with piano accompaniment.
    You're also right here: it can never be the aim to replace live performances by digital ones. It is a real blessing that we have these means at our disposal to introduce new work to the outside world, because reading a score and evaluating it is a highly specialised and difficult business. It is far more easy just to 'listen' to it. Therefore the recording must be as realistic as possible, thanks to modern sampling and playing techniques. The old masters - providers of good music - would be pleased to see (hear) their masterpieces performed that way with exercising purposes.

    And thanks for listening.

    Max

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    Re: Menuet-Trio-Menuet from the Serenata in D Op. 25, Beethoven

    As almost usual here's an revised version of the Serenata. I added some more attack to the flute, small breath pauzes in the flute solo (I wouldn't want the flute player to die on the spot ), some more dash in the string chords and less vibrato. There are also a few balance improvements.

    Serenata (version 2)

    All the best!
    Max

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    Re: Menuet-Trio-Menuet from the Serenata in D Op. 25, Beethoven

    Max, GPO (whoever owns it these days) should hire you to make demos of the coming GPO5 (which I lie awake at night thinking about). I think the vast majority of listeners would never suspect this is not a live performance. I can only marvel at and envy your abilities. I listened to both versions. It is amazing how you fit everything together. The background voices are just right, now softer, now louder, as the need dictates. It all hangs together with perfect integrity. And the flute is noticeably better in the second version, by the way. I swear I can see Rampal's fingers moving adroitly, and the occasional quick breath taken, so perfect is the realization.

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    Re: Menuet-Trio-Menuet from the Serenata in D Op. 25, Beethoven

    Hi Michael,

    As most of us I started with the Garritan library within Finale, later with GPO 4. It is and always will be a fantastic sample play back tool. I don't know anything about GPO5 (has it been released yet?), but I'm sure it will be as easy in use as GPO4. Since it works so wonderfully together with most notation programs it will continu to be a blessing for many beginning composers and advanced ones. But I have chosen another way and believe me, it is difficult enough. I do all these transcriptions to learn how to master the articulations and performances. I repeat it again: it is and never will be my goal to replace a live orchestra by a virtual one (if ever possible), but as we all know, it is very hard these days to have new work performed by a real orchestra. Only for that purpose and for PR-reasons, these sample libraries are very useful. But listeners are spoiled (the digital cd recordings started it) and want to hear perfection, even with fake orchestras. For composition contests, they regularly ask a recordings nowadays (because the scores are so complex to understand)...

    A trio is a small ensemble but demands a lot of clarity and transparency, which makes the job so difficult. The smallest inaccuracy will be audible. Transparency soon becomes transpiration...
    That's why I do these exercises with the help of known and unknown masters of the past.

    Thanks for your kind comment,

    Max

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    Re: Menuet-Trio-Menuet from the Serenata in D Op. 25, Beethoven

    That sounded like the real deal to me Max. Well, I imagine if you A B'd it one could tell but why not just enjoy your wonderful recording.

    I always thought the flute was the most realistic sounding sampled instrument next to the piano and it sure sounds three dimensional with this work of Beethoven.


    Phil

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    Re: Menuet-Trio-Menuet from the Serenata in D Op. 25, Beethoven

    Dear Max,

    never I had assumed that this could be digital performance - it is just so real and so beautiful - a delight!! So far I even didn't know the piece ... Thank you!


    Gerd

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    Re: Menuet-Trio-Menuet from the Serenata in D Op. 25, Beethoven

    Thanks Phil and Gerd for listening and commenting.

    I'm glad you liked the performance. The wonderful music is on Ludwig's account. It's just a lot easier to realise a decent performance when the music is well balanced and specifically written for the instruments. As I mentioned, I played the whole Serenata in my younger years and the flute part is not so difficult as it seems, it's just written in a very clever 'flute-fistic' way. I guess Beethoven must have been assisted by a professional traverso player when writing this score...

    Thanks,
    Max

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