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    My wife just told me about this last evening .... i would say its very shocking ... but, nothing\'s shocking these days.

    But.... it seriously made me mad as hell .... this bastard must go!!!!! We CANNOT have another 4 years of this regime!

    He\'s leading us to armageddon .... maybe he\'s the anti-christ (if ya believe in that fairy tale stuff [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] ) .

    And the idiot takes time out of his life to address the nation on gay marriage ... a constitutional convention ??? WTF ??? I think he\'s homophobic, and ya know what they say about homophobes ......

    Grrrrrr ........ to hell with this ... i\'m looking for work in Canada ...

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    I wont argue with you on that. There are examples where things get overblown and distorted but this doesn\'t seem to be one of them.
    A good question though. What is the solution. If we had the power suddenly to do anything we wanted and to do what is best, does anyone have anything to offer. My hope is that the rumors of various alternative energy systems might be true but nothing had come to light yet or to market for some reason, even with the internet & free communication & financial opportunities with the potential dwindling oil resources. Keep in mind, I\'m not arguing or debating at this point. I\'m just curious as to what solutions are out there for alot of this stuff.

    Thanks for keeping us abreast of this stuff and congrats on the QLSO/VOTA2. I\'ll talk to you later
    Dave

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    Hmmmm, do you really think that alternative energy developers have a chance?? Look at what happened to Tesla ....

    The oil industry is no joke ..... if they have their way, they\'ll run this planet down to the last burning bush (no pun intended).

    I doubt anyone can offer a solution, otherwise they\'d win the Noble Peace Prize, or be snuffed before they had a chance to tell the masses. At least you (we) can support alternatives like hybrid vehicles, solar power, don\'t mow your lawn (hehe),etc.

    This all saddens me terribly .... so dissapointed to be an american lately .... and at a time when i have to write a big fat check to the IRS .... what am i paying for ??? hmmm, maybe i should request an itemized breakdown of what my tax dollars are paying for. Considering they\'re so curious to know what i spend mine on!

    SWL

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    Frightening.

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    How the lies are affecting you.

    This article and interview are just a small example of what is happening under the Bush regime. 99% of the worlds\' scientists and environmentalists agree that humans are causing global warming and it\'s a big problem. The only ones that don\'t agree seem to be working for Bush. It turns out that some of these \"experts\" aren\'t even qualified! Dave, This is when you know which side is lying. If the whole world agrees on global warming, but Bush says we need more proof, you should start to wonder. Especially when his experts are not experts, but political allies.

    FROM: DEMOCRACYNOW.ORG

    A group of scientists, including 20 Nobel laureates, last week signed a petition condemning the White House for deliberately and systematically distorting scientific fact in the service of policy goals on the environment, health, biomedical research and nuclear weaponry at home and abroad. [includes transcript]
    Last week, a group of scientists, including 20 Nobel laureates, signed a petition condemning the White House for deliberately and systematically distorting scientific fact in the service of policy goals on the environment, health, biomedical research and nuclear weaponry at home and abroad.

    According to the report entitled \"Scientific Integrity in Policymaking: An Investigation into the Bush Administration\'s Misuse of Science,\" the White House censors and suppresses reports by its own scientists, stacks advisory committees and disbands government panels.

    We contacted the Office of Science and Technology Policy, of the Executive Office of the President. They declined to join us on the show.

    • Alden Meyer, Director of Policy and Government Relations for the Union of Concerned Scientists.
    • Russell Train, Environmental Administrator under Presidents Nixon and Ford. He currently serves as Chairman emeritus at the World Wildlife Fund.
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    AMY GOODMAN: We contacted the office of Science and Technology policy, which is in the executive office of the president. They declined to join us for the show. But we are joined by Alden Meyer, director of Policy of Government Relations for the Union of Concerned Scientists and Russell Train, who was the Environmental Administrator under Nixon and Ford and is Chair Emeritus of the World Wildlife Fund. Let\'s begin with Alden Meyer. Can you begin with your report on the White House politicizing science. Can you sum it up for us?

    ALDEN MEYER: Basically what we found in the investigation and what the scientists charged in the statement that was released is that the Bush administration is misusing science in its approach to policy making on federal issues. And as a result of that misuse, their policy decisions are having serious consequences for our health, safety and environment.

    It falls into three broad categories. There are examples under each of those. One is that, as you have said, they have been distorting and censoring findings that contradict their predetermined policies. Maybe the clearest example is on climate change where the White House insisted that the Environmental Protection Agency drastically rewrite a draft section of a report on the environment on Global Warming to emphasize the uncertainties and downplay the mainstream consensus of the world scientists, the human activities are causing climate change, and that this will have serious consequences in the future. The scientists and career staff of the EPA were so appalled by the changes that the White House tried to make in that report that rather than accept the change, they deleted the section entirely from draft report rather than put out something that was scientifically incorrect.

    A second area is undermining the independence of the science advisory panels. There are literally hundreds of these independent panels to federal agencies from the Department of Defense across to Health and Human Services, the Department of Energy, the EPA, the FDA, and other agencies. And these panels serve an important function in providing independent, objective scientific advice to these agencies on critical scientific and technical issues. Our report documents examples where potential appointees to these advisory committees have been subjected to litmus tests on their stands, issues like abortion and in a few isolated cases who they voted for. Nominating people that really don\'t have qualifications to be on the panels, or under-qualified individuals from outside of the mainstream of the scientific community. And in many cases replacing members of these panels with people suggested by the industries that are regulated by the very agencies that the panels are advising. And in a couple of cases, panels were disbanded entirely because some of the members of these panels expressed a view -- views opposed to the policies the administration was taking. A host of abuses in those areas.

    These may sound like technical concerns. Violations of the process of science is not something that the average American gets up worrying about every day. The bottom line is that the abuses of science have real world consequences for the health and safety of the American public, affecting things from lead contamination of our children to teen pregnancy, HIV AIDS, impacts on states across the country from climate change. So, even though they may seem arcane and a little technical, these abuses of the scientific process do have real world consequences.

    AMY GOODMAN: I\'d like to go into the issue of lead. But the -- well, the White House wouldn\'t come on; they did issue a statement saying the statement from the Union of Concerned Scientists is disappointing, because it makes sweeping generalizations about the administration based on what appears to be a miscellany of criticisms, which have been made in the past by partisan political figures and advocacy organizations. I\'m wondering Russell Train if you could respond to this as the Environmental Administrator under Presidents Nixon and Ford.

    RUSSELL TRAIN: Well, as a life-long, love-long Republican, I think it\'s a little out of line to say that my criticism of the Bush administration science policy is a partisan attack. I like to think that I\'m professional, and concerned about science, which we should all be. It certainly is not partisan, nor is -- nor was the report of the Union of Concerned Scientists sweeping generalizations. They were very specific in a number of areas. You just heard some of them.

    I would also add, for example, after the 9-11 attack in New York, when the EPA was putting out a health advisory on the emissions, the health risk from the emissions from the fallen towers, the White House apparently intervened and had the risk assessment lowered. That kind of a thing. And that\'s an outrage. That\'s just a political intrusion into --

    AMY GOODMAN: What do you mean had the risk assessment. What do you mean had the risk assessment lowered?

    RUSSELL TRAIN: The EPA said there was a high risk. The White House had them moderate that statement so that the public would not feel they were at risk. That\'s something, another example, and there are plenty of them. Look at the Department of the Interior. At the present time, they haven\'t listed all -- voluntarily listed a single endangered species under the Endangered Species Act since this administration has been in office. They simply pay no attention to the science. That\'s a generalization, but I think it is fairly accurate across the board.

    END DEMOCRACY NOW

    With the recent leak of a pentagon report discussing an environmental catastrophe in 20 years, and the Bush administration acting as if global warming is some joke, you have to wonder \"What the hell are they doing?\" The report discusses a strong military as a solution for worldwide famine and war. How about we stop global warming in it\'s tracks right now? The US is the number one contributor to this, by far. We have the ability to develop new energy technology and stimulate the economy at the same time. But oil companies and Bush\'s friends are against this.

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    \"Hmmmm, do you really think that alternative energy developers have a chance?? Look at what happened to Tesla .... \"

    I mean without problems like that. What solutions are actually feasible. I think at this point with the internet communications that something should be able to break through if it really works. Alot of hoaxes out there too trying to raise funds. Everything I see seems to claim to be stopped by lack of funding. It seems if something will actually work, the funding should come through from some greedy faction of some sort. Cold fusion seems to have some promise. However, the problem I forsee with making cold fusion reactors available for every car & house is the fact that it might put the ability to produce a slow cold nuke weapon in the hands of anyone. That was surmized in one article I read as one reason for its suppression. (that combined with the oil industry makes it tough)
    Right now, the Coast To Coast AM show has a guest talking about the dwindling oil reserves. The powers that be should treat that as an emergency situation and get some funding to research something else.
    Its pretty insane. Whoever comes up with a viable alternative (as in it works and doesn\'t cost way too much) to oil will be extremely popular and wealthy beyond belief. The oil industry should be on to this as well. I hear they have some research and resources in hydrogen but they are taking their time. Is the plan to deplete the oil and the go \"Oh Crap...Now what?\" Thats not even a good plan for an evil oil empire. They had better have something up their sleeve.

    Cheers
    Dave

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    Dave, You seem afflicted with skepticitis. But you are skeptical of the wrong people. There is a book called \"Cradle to Cradle\" by William McDonough and Michael Braungart that discusses the environment and energy in a really positive way. It talks about ways to turn the world back into a 100% recycling bio-system, without upsetting our way of life. \"Waste equals Food.\"

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    Originally posted by SWL:
    My wife just told me about this last evening .... i would say its very shocking ... but, nothing\'s shocking these days.

    But.... it seriously made me mad as hell .... this bastard must go!!!!! We CANNOT have another 4 years of this regime!

    He\'s leading us to armageddon .... maybe he\'s the anti-christ (if ya believe in that fairy tale stuff [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] ) .

    And the idiot takes time out of his life to address the nation on gay marriage ... a constitutional convention ??? WTF ??? I think he\'s homophobic, and ya know what they say about homophobes ......

    Grrrrrr ........ to hell with this ... i\'m looking for work in Canada ...
    <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Why does his stance on gay marriage make him \"afraid of homosexuals\"? You know, it wasn\'t that long ago that homosexuality was considered a mental illness by the psychological profession. And they backed down only because of political pressure.

    Where do you draw the line? If homosexual marriage is ok, why not polygamy? Why not pedophilia? Bestiality? Incest? He (and admit it, millions of other Americans) draw the line at what has been established since the dawn of recorded history. That doesn\'t make them homophobic.

    Rob

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    [quote]Originally posted by robh:
    Where do you draw the line? If homosexual marriage is ok, why not polygamy? Why not pedophilia? Bestiality? Incest?
    <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">You\'re kidding, aren\'t you? Do you really equate homosexuality with pedophilia, bestiality and incest? If so, I know of a Republican Congressman you can break bread with.

    The REAL question is this: how, exactly, does homosexual marriage affect heterosexual marriage at all?

    Are heterosexual\'s suddenly going to get divorced because their gay neighbors just tied the knot?

    Will the great churches of the world suddenly collapse because Tim married Tom?

    What, exactly, is the HARM of two people falling in love and wanting to make it OFFICIAL? Wanting to be able to visit their loved one in the hospital, or makes decisions about their estate, or inherit property?

    How does this destroy the \"sanctity\" of the union between a man and a woman?

    Perhaps those championing this law should look at themselves first. How many of them are destroying the sanctity of marriage through infidelity and divorce? Maybe they should be a little more concerned about themselves than about two people in love with each other who happen to be of the same .

    The ONLY reason Bush is even bringing this up, by the way, is to distract everyone from his failed economic, environmental and foreign policies. It\'s a giant red herring.

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    I just got through debating this pretty violently on DA7.com...don\'t know if I have the energy to start again.

    Meanwhile there are more things to get upset about, not just the gay bashing. The FCC \"decency hearing\" are about to begin, so Clear Channel removed Howard Stern from their statons.

    What\'s really happening is that we\'re not talking about the biggest scandal there is: no Iraqi WMDs. It\'s all an incredibly cynical ploy.

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