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    What happens when Spain convicts & sentences bombers?

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    What happens when Spain finds the current bombers guilty then convicts & sentences them to whatever punishment and the same terrorist(s) group says:

    \"Release our brothers or we bomb again\"?

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    Re: What happens when Spain convicts & sentences bombers?

    Easy. They follow their laws and keep the bombers locked up.

    Don\'t forget that tens of thousands protested the violence in Madrid. The Spanish people aren\'t weeping for the terrorists. They aren\'t the wimps that the right wing makes them out to be.

    The story I hear is that the populace was against invading Iraq, yet the government didn\'t listen. The reasons given were the same as here - WMDs, yet there weren\'t any WMDs. Also many believed the government to be witholding information about the Madrid bombings. The government said it was likely carried out by Basque separatists. Yet it was not.

    The Spanish government failed to represent the will of the Spanish people, so they lost the election. Simple.

    Keep in mind that the war against Iraq was not about terrorism. There were no Iraqis on the 9-11 airliners. The train bombings were not carried out by Iraqis. There were no WMDs in Iraq. Al Qaida was not based in Baghdad.

    Being against the war in Iraq does not mean that one supports terrorism.

    Here\'s my story: The Spanish people voted to dump a crummy government that ignored the strong public opinion against going to war in Iraq. The bombings had no effect on the outcome of the election. The polls taken before the election were wrong. (Just ask Howard Dean about the accuracy of polling before an election.)

    Here\'s the right-wing media story: The terrorists attacked, and it swung the whole election to the Socialists. The Spaniards are wimps. They appeased the terrorists. Spain will not fight against terrorism. Terrorism was an effective policy in Spain.

    Which story gives more comfort to Al Qaida?

    Next thing you know they\'ll say that a vote for John Kerry is a vote for Al Qaida. Oh, sorry, that\'s already happened. [Specifically Oklahoma Republican Rep. Tom Cole said \"if George Bush loses the election, Osama bin Laden wins the election\".]

    Terrorism baiting. The new McCarthyism.

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    Terrorism was an effective policy in Spain.
    <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">To me, that makes most sense. Comments from people on the street in Madrid indicated that quite a few of them based their vote on their emotional response. If you allow that to happen, you have given the steering wheel of your future in the hands of the bully.

    The Spanish government sent out a great signal: use violence against us, and we will give in. What effect do you think that will have on the terrorist? Encouragement. If it works on Spain, it’s time to move on to Holland, the UK. So, in that sense the Spanish government has done the US and their allies a great favour...

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    Re: What happens when Spain convicts & sentences bombers?

    > \"If you allow that to happen, you have given the steering wheel of your future in the hands of the bully.\"

    If you *allow* what to happen? Democracy? Should there be laws against voting? Or just against political parties that don\'t support aggressive wars and occupations?

    > \"The Spanish government sent out a great signal: use violence against us, and we will give in.\"

    Simply wrong. The government sent no signal. The signal was from the people.

    And what solution do you propose? To end democracy?

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    > \"I think the Spanish government should have postponed the election.\"

    Now there\'s a great signal. Bomb us and you can stop us from voting.

    I could understand postponing an election if it would be phyiscally impossible for people to vote. Postponing an election because the climate might be bad for the party in power is dangerous indeed.

    In the US our Constitution declares the first Tuesday in November as election day. There is no provision for changing the date, short of a Constitutional ammendment. I don\'t know about Spain\'s Constitution, but I know that if somebody in the US tries to change the date of the presidential election due to the emotional state of the populace, it will be a politically brazen act.

    Iraq and terrorism are separate issues. Zapatero vowed to exit Iraq long before the bombings. He also said the following:

    \'My most immediate priority is to fight all forms of terrorism\', he said. \'And my first initiative, tomorrow, will be to seek a union of political forces to join us together in fighting it\'.

    If anything, Spain will show *more* resolve in fighting teror than before. Spain does not sympathise with those who set the bombs.

    The war in Iraq was never about fighting terrorism. And the millions of people who protested against the war were not terrorists. We are called citizens.

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    Good points Fairhurst. No matter what though, it still will embolden terrorists that they can influence and election. Without the attack, it would have probably gone the other way according to the polls. The terrorist changed the leadership of a country and it really looks bad. They may have also garanteed us a pre-November attack as a result. However, I think that would backfire and get the opposite results here. Someone is going to get nuked if we get hit again. Not that that is a good thing or the right thing, its just what I forsee. You think we are unpopular now, just let us get hit again, and I\'m afraid we will show the world what unpopular really means. Lets hope that doesn\'t happen.

    Cheers
    Dave

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    Jeez, Dave you\'re turning into a redneck! What the hell kind of country do we live in, where we will nuke someone, anyone if we have a terrorist attack. Terrorist attacks will have an impact on politics. Look at Bush. he has based everything on the idea that he is the great anti-terrorism president. This country has changed radically, as a result of 9/11. So the terrorists won, according to you. I love that fact that Spain is going left and giving GW the finger. What\'s wrong with bowing out and saying this war is a mistake and we want nothing to do with it. If you make a mistake, do you sometimes admit those mistakes? Even though terrorism is terribly wrong, it is ALWAYS a result of imperial injustice. If we actually promoted democracy and justice around the world, we would solve our terrorist problem instantly. We are the worst terrorists on the planet. We are just getting back a fraction of what we dish out. The US cowboy way is a tragedy. Look how long it took, before we got out of Vietnam. \"We\'re Americans, greatest country on earth, land of the free.......\" All spoken by fat, stupid, unenlightened, vicious and selfish white people.

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    oh boy. let\'s see if I have got this right. Vote right wing if you hate the terrorists , left wing if you love them .

    What simple crap. Goebles would have had more imagination. The conservative goverment in spain lost because they lied about the bombing. They tried to blame it on ETA. And there is evidence to sugest they had help from Fruher Bush. As to America using Nukes on terrorist ... well goodbye america . Europe Russia and China would have a field day.

    ed

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    Re: What happens when Spain convicts & sentences bombers?

    Jon, I think if you read my post carefully some of the answers to your questions might have been obvious, but I’ll state them again.
    \"If you allow that to happen, you have given the steering wheel of your future in the hands of the bully.\"

    ---If you *allow* what to happen? Democracy? Should there be laws against voting? Or just against political parties that don\'t support aggressive wars and occupations?
    <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">If you allow your vote to be changed as a result of cruelty inflicted by someone, the you have given the steering wheel of your future in the hands of your tormentor.
    \"The Spanish government sent out a great signal: use violence against us, and we will give in.\"

    ---Simply wrong. The government sent no signal. The signal was from the people.
    <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">No signal?? If a bully approaches you and demands a dollar from you, and you say ‘no’ to the bully, and the bully proceeds to smack you in the face, and you suddenly give him the dollar, what signal do you send out?
    The signal sent out by the (soon to be) Spanish government is that terror works. You think the launch of this attack so short before the elections was “coincidence”? No way, it was a cruel yet smart, calculated move.
    I think the Spanish government should have postponed the election.

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    Re: What happens when Spain convicts & sentences bombers?

    Sure, the terrorist attack so short before the elections was just a big coincidence, not chance on earth they meant to influence the votes of the Spanish people, and if the terrorists meant to influence the voting behaviour of the people, they were soooo stupid and naïve to think that they could ever achieve it through inflicting injustice and cruelty upon innocent Spanish people, because the Spanish people did not change their votes at all, no, they ALL meant to vote for Zapatero anyway, never mind interviews with people in the street who said they changed their vote as a result of the attack, the journalists probably set it in scene...

    Well, sweet dreams in your wonder-wonder land. And while you’re at it, don’t forget to kiss the feet of the terrorists who managed to put the left wing in power in Spain. Who cares if it takes the death of a couple of hundred of innocent people, it’s the result that counts, RIGHT?

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