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    Need help please - writing my first score...

    Hola all!

    So, a friend called me up a couple days ago, a friend I haven\'t spoken to since high school three years ago. She is now a violin major and after listening to my GPO pieces, she would like to begin performing them live with her string quartet.

    Unfortunately, they exist only as un-quantized midi files right now and I wouldn\'t know where to begin to make them readable scores.

    I\'m fine with note duration and placement on the staff, but I don\'t know how to notate a pizzicato, or up-down bowing, or how to basically notate the mod wheel stuff; the expression. Granted the individual players should be able to perform it with those emotions on their own, but a little guidence couldn\'t hurt...

    If anyone can help me take my midi GPO pieces to realized scores I would be extremely grateful! (I\'ll even send you a GPO t-shirt / they will be finished Wednesday, for those that are waiting).

    Thanks to anyone that could help...

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    Re: Need help please - writing my first score...

    I think I can help you.
    If you want go there

    http://utenti.lycos.it/icorradin/musica/

    and you download the \"primo tempo\" or the \"terzo tempo2\" overture file you can see an example. I putted all my staff as a quartet piece in overture. I used the crescendo and so on staff, I use slurs (I didn\'t remember exactly the english term now) to sign how to use the bow and ppizzicato, ..
    I\'m not a \"professional\" composer but I also play the violin so i now something about notation for strings.
    If you want send me your file at corradin@uclink.berkeley.edu and I can help you writing it in overture.
    Just check if you can see my files because someone with PC told me that he can\'t open them otherwise I don\'t have any hope to exchange files with you (i\'m on mac).

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    Re: Need help please - writing my first score...

    Hi Alan,

    Whenever you present scores for performance you should make sure they are as clear as possible. Performers will expect certain conventions. If you need to deviate from those conventions then you should put a note to the performer at the start of the score describing what you want - examples never hurt. I always put that stuff on the back of the cover page.

    For pizzicato, just write \"pizz.\" where you want them to pluck and when you want to go back to the bow write \"arco.\"

    You MUST place dynamics in the score. Performers will add them to a certain degree but it will not turn out how you expect if you don\'t mark them. Unless you want the performer to determine the dynamic. Then you would put that in the performance notes so they are aware of it.

    Don\'t worry too much about bow strokes unless you have learned what the differences are. If you don\'t mark it the performers will take care of it. If you need to mark them, the V symbol is an upstroke and the square without a bottom is a downstroke (arm moving away from the instrument).

    You do need to worry about slurs, though. Typically when you write a slur for strings they will play it in one bow stroke. Some phrases are too long for that but good string players can make the direction change go almost unoticed.

    I would suggest you pick up Sam Adler\'s book on orchestration and instrumentation. It has all of the info you are looking for.

    Hope that helps you get started.

    -Chad

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    Re: Need help please - writing my first score...

    Thanks guys,

    crr, I just d/l\'ed the files and will see if I can read them tonight when I return to the GPO Studio...

    CString, thanks for the crash course, I\'ll do what I can with this info and hopefully post a pdf of the score soon, that way you guys can visually see it and let me know about any mistakes?

    Thanks again,

    AL

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    Re: Need help please - writing my first score...

    No problem Alan. I\'ll take a look when you\'re done.

    Also, I didn\'t mean to say you should just forget about bow directions/strokes. Only that the differences in types of stroke are many and varied. Some are really subtle and some the performer will do automatically based on the expressive direction in the score. I just meant that it takes a little while to digest all of it and, if you are putting the score together now, you may not have time to sort it all out. Definitely check out the Adler book. You won\'t regret it.

    Chad

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    Re: Need help please - writing my first score...

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    Also, I didn\'t mean to say you should just forget about bow directions/strokes. Only that the differences in types of stroke are many and varied.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    In my experience, I agree with CString. I heard once that writing in all the bow strokes is a bit like telling the string player how to play their instrument. With that in mind, I try to avoid bow markings unless I want something specific.

    Keep in mind that generally a down-bow is stronger than an up-bow. If you want two strong sounding notes in a row, you might notate two down-bows (and vice versa for soft sounds). It is also a genral practice that downbeats are played with the down-bow, up-beats with the up-bow (a very general and loose statement). You want to try playing \"air violin\" to your parts to get a feel for how the notes will fall on your arms.

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    Re: Need help please - writing my first score...

    yes, I agree with FossMan and CString and I would suggest you also to take into account to \"rewrite\" or \"correct\" part of your music after meeting with the players: ity can happen that you decide to use different bow strokes to enphasize a theme for example.
    I suggest you to llok at what I did to have an example. If you can try to take a \"simple\" quarete piece that you know and look at how it\'s written to understand better how to write.
    Post a pdf and I\'ll try to help you as I can.
    If you prefer, you can also send it to me by email. If you need \"more\" help probably it wold be better an overture file so I can put some sights and you can see them.
    Michael

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    Re: Need help please - writing my first score...

    Alan,

    What program did you use to create the scores?

    If it is not in Overture, then quantize (a separate copy of course) the h*** out of them and open the midi files in Overture. Then you can add all the dynamic markings, the \"pizz\" indicator, etc. It is really very easy to do.

    -- Martin

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    Re: Need help please - writing my first score...

    I draw everything out in Cubase SX\'s keyeditor with my mouse...

    I am going to rewrite into Overture this evening, the accidentals and ornaments (correct?) are what are giving me the trouble...

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    Re: Need help please - writing my first score...

    I have also cubase sl 1 so probably I can see your sx files but I think it\'s better for you to rewrite your staff in overture to get more powerfull printing options
    Michael

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