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Topic: Vienna vs EastWest: Which orchestra should I hire?

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    Arrow Vienna vs EastWest: Which orchestra should I hire?

    After Reading these forums (WHAT A WONDERFUL RESOURCE!!) it seems the only two professional full orchestra libraries (in my price range of about $1000) are the Vienna Opus 1 and the EWQL Gold edition, and I need help choosing which one to buy! Here is some quick background info on my system and needs.

    I’m currently a student composer at CSUN who is about to graduate into the “professional world.” Thus I need a semiprofessional setup to shine my compositions in the best light. (To listen to what I have already produced with my limited system and to give you a better idea on how I need to advance my quality of audio, please visit my Demo Site: http://www.avartists.com )

    This summer, I’m probably going to use my student loans to invest in a G5 desktop with Logic Pro 6 (comes with the EXS24mkII software sampler) and a killer set of samples. Since I am a film score major, I’m looking for that “hollywood sound,” thus my interest in EWQL. Though the Vienna samples are designed specifically for my sampler (EXS24) and the “Performance Tool” looks amazing!

    I’ve read allot of reviews on the EWQL series and heard the Silver version live many times (people in class use them) and I must admit, they sound great! I have read very little on the Vienna Opus 1 (when did it come out) and am looking to learn more. Anyone use both and can comment on their specific strengths and weaknesses?

    Once again, thanks in advance for your advice and help. Its people helping people that makes this world a better place to live, and I truly appreciate your time!

    Jon

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    Tired Topic

    This topic has been explored many times. If you do a search or simply go back in the archives a couple of weeks you will find what you're looking for....which is essentially no help. Half the people like QLSO, half like Opus 1. QLSO has a bigger sound, Opus 1 is less big but more accurate. If you got the cash get them both, or maybe get Opus 1and QLSO Silver for now.

    From my $34 worth I would steer you towards QLSO for that "hollywood" sound.

    BTW, on a related topic, I am getting tired of the whole bombastic hollywood sound. Everyone sounds like that nowadays. And QLSO or SAM is not helping a bit. What happened to subtlety in music? What happenes to dynamics, and sturm und drang? Now everyone wants to do music that's balls to the wall. It's all this damn testosterone driven industry.

    I think we need to get a grip and embrace the kindler gentler side of scoring!

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    Not that I disagree with you, but what have SAM and EWQLSO got to do with the trend?.
    Trev Parks

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    Don't forget the new Kirk Hunter Orchestra when its due Of course it depends if you can wait that long. Also the 'hollywood sound' based work apparently makes up only a small percentage of work availible or so i've heard.

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    I recommend you the VSL web site which is very, very accomplished (lot’s of demo, big Forum etc...).


    I see that you are an editor too, that’s probably why you consider a G5 because of you skill.

    But.

    I can’t resist to ask you to study closely what you can get for the same budget in the PC world, for the audio part.



    I can’t find a G5 under 2000 Euro/$.

    Well, we get two very good PCs for that price, nowadays.

    And... an access to the Gigastudio world...



    Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crystal
    I recommend you the VSL web site which is very, very accomplished (lot’s of demo, big Forum etc...).
    Maybe I'm missing something, but the only VSL homepage I know of is http://www.ilio.com/ which, as far as I can tell, only has 1 demo for the Opus 1, and Zero forums. Could you post a link Crystal?

    As for the PC thing, I do plan on running BOTH systems in the future (gigastudio alone is worth the switch) though in my life right now, I'm more proficient and comfortable with the Mac, so I'm gonna stick with it for now

    Also, I'm sorry that I brought up this topic again, and appreciate your willingness to help out another newbee. I did try searching the forums manually, though I did not find a post dedicated to this topic (thus my post). Is there a search function that I am just simply missing? Any links to the other threads would be greatly appreciated.

    In my opinion, I think more options are ultimately better (thus the Opus 1 looks good), though I'm personally worried if my mixing and editing skills are good enough to use Opus 1, for right now, THEY SUCK! LOL. I know they will come with time and experimentation, thought they stink right now:, so my question is, how hard is it to get the dry sounds of the Opus 1 to sound good? Is the reverb that comes standard with Logic Pro 6 enough? Is the orchestra well balanced within itself? Is it pretty easy to use?

    I thank you all once again for the time and wonderful information!
    Jon

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    Hi

    here's a link to the official VSL Horizon demos including Opus 1:

    http://vsl.co.at/english/pages/profi...on%2ddemos.htm

    Take a look around the site in general. Interesting stuff.

    Luck to you
    Heath

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    Quote Originally Posted by midphase
    BTW, on a related topic, I am getting tired of the whole bombastic hollywood sound. Everyone sounds like that nowadays. And QLSO or SAM is not helping a bit. What happened to subtlety in music? What happenes to dynamics, and sturm und drang? Now everyone wants to do music that's balls to the wall. It's all this damn testosterone driven industry.

    I think we need to get a grip and embrace the kindler gentler side of scoring!
    Have you tried using the lower velocity samples of QLSO or SAM? Bombastic is up to you, no need to be tired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JT3_Jon
    Maybe I'm missing something, but the only VSL homepage I know of is http://www.ilio.com/ which, as far as I can tell, only has 1 demo for the Opus 1, and Zero forums. Could you post a link Crystal?
    We have TONS of VSL support at TrueSpec including demos.

    STREET SMART GUIDE
    http://www.truespec.com/downloads/index.shtml

    GENERAL INFO
    http://www.truespec.com/store/sample...na/index.shtml
    http://www.truespec.com/store/sample...on/index.shtml

    XTREME SUPPORT
    http://www.truespec.com/training/xtreme/index.shtml

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    http://www.truespec.com/articles/rev...na051903.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by midphase
    BTW, on a related topic, I am getting tired of the whole bombastic hollywood sound. Everyone sounds like that nowadays. And QLSO or SAM is not helping a bit. What happened to subtlety in music? What happenes to dynamics, and sturm und drang? Now everyone wants to do music that's balls to the wall. It's all this damn testosterone driven industry.

    I think we need to get a grip and embrace the kindler gentler side of scoring!
    Agreed... kind of. To me, music is representative of a particular emotion with all of the different flavors and subtleties, and yes, "bombastic" as well. As an artist and as a composer, I like the different choices available so we can explore the subtle as well as the profane and all of the different textures that make up life experience.

    For that reason I own both Vienna Symphonic Library First Edition and East West Quantum Leap Symphonic Orchestra Gold Edition. They compliment each other so well that nowadays I could not imagine having both pallettes to texture and paint with to create music.

    BTW, there is a more subtle side to EWQLSO and rarely have I noticed it explored. When we're through checking out the inherent cool hits and dynamics of this lib, the sord strings are really gorgeous as well for some really nice romance textures. The solo violin used in the right places can really make a song come alive.

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