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    Kontakt as GS alternative question

    Hi!

    After a recent HD crash/PC hardware problem I\'ll be looking to reinstall GS next week...probably.
    I\'ve noticed my way of working has changed a lot since I got a new Dual G4 and started using the EXS. The high polyphony count, size of instruments I could load and number of instances I could use has lowered my usage of GS significantly, although I still use it for patches that don\'t sound as good on the EXS (such as the ones that use filtering etc.)
    I also hate the fact that since GS hasn\'t seen a recent update it is not on par with the current processor speeds: the limit is set at half a gig of samples (ram, that is) and 160 voices eventhough newer pc\'s are coping easily with that. My \'old\' athlon 1.6 never hit beyond 22% cpu usage, and it was annoying to see that I couldn\'t use more than that since GS set a limit to it.
    The EXS has shown me that other softsamplers are capable (quite easily actually) to matching GS\' performance, which is why I\'m interested in Kontakt.

    For these reasons I\'m looking at other ways to use my new PC; one of those is running Kontakt in standalone to takeover the GS duties. I do my sequencing on the mac and the PC is generally used for GS sample stuff and database only.
    My questions are:
    -can Kontakt load all gig patches and get a similar kind of performance?
    -if I want to run a similar featureset as GS, do I need to run 4 seperate instances of Kontakt to get the same set (4x16 midichannels), or can this be done from one instance on stand alone mode?
    -what is the voicelimit per instance (if I recall correctly 256, but I\'m unsure)
    -what is the latency on standalone?
    -number of outputs?

    Cheers!

    Joris

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    Re: Kontakt as GS alternative question

    My questions are:
    -can Kontakt load all gig patches and get a similar kind of performance?
    1) This is the thing~ I think if you have enough RAM , u can get pretty close. Alot of \"power\" composers will beg to differ. but close is good enough for me since Kontakt offers way more other advantages to me that GS. Kontakt currently cant import all the giga \"dimensions\" correcty. you`ll need a 3rd party translator.(chikensystems or CDXtract)

    -if I want to run a similar featureset as GS, do I need to run 4 seperate instances of Kontakt to get the same set (4x16 midichannels), or can this be done from one instance on stand alone mode?
    No, you`ll need 4 instances. I`d look into Stienbergs V-stack and run them vst from your 2nd comp.

    -what is the voicelimit per instance (if I recall correctly 256, but I\'m unsure)
    yea ,256 is right.

    -what is the latency on standalone?
    Whatever your soundcard can handle,right now on my RME i`m at 3 ms...)

    -number of outputs?
    4 stereo, 4 mono..there maybe more i cant remember.

    Hope this helps, Rich

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    Re: Kontakt as GS alternative question

    Hey rich,

    You told me everything I needed to hear! Thanks!
    I have an RME as well, so latency shouldn\'t be an issue. I don\'t think I can use Vstack, as I use Logic as my main sequencer on the Mac, but I might be wrong.
    I\'ll have to give it a try!

    Thanks for your response!

    Cheerio,

    Joris

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    Re: Kontakt as GS alternative question

    Originally posted by Joris de Man:
    ...I don\'t think I can use Vstack, as I use Logic as my main sequencer on the Mac, but I might be wrong.
    <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">I think you can use VStack...personally, I use Chainer ( http://xlutop.com/html/chainer.html ), but I think they pretty much do the same things (VST host) except that VStack will integrate with the whole Steinberg System Link or whatever it\'s called. I don\'t use Cubase so I don\'t think I (nor you) could take advantage of that.

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    Re: Kontakt as GS alternative question

    Originally posted by Hildog:
    </font><blockquote><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><hr /><font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Originally posted by Joris de Man:
    ...I don\'t think I can use Vstack, as I use Logic as my main sequencer on the Mac, but I might be wrong.
    <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">I think you can use VStack...personally, I use Chainer ( http://xlutop.com/html/chainer.html ), but I think they pretty much do the same things (VST host) except that VStack will integrate with the whole Steinberg System Link or whatever it\'s called. I don\'t use Cubase so I don\'t think I (nor you) could take advantage of that. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Yea, hilldogs right ,U can use v-stack/fxteleport on a 2nd PC to run any vsts..u just can`t take advantage of system link unless your running a Stienberg seq. of choice. The good thing about system link is that it integrates well with V-stack so you latency is just the sum of yours soundcards(in my case, 3ms on each machine=6 ms). I believe the DFD in this new update (1.5) works well..Good luck to you,and if u have any more Q; just fire away...Rich

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    Re: Kontakt as GS alternative question

    Small point regarding the GIGA issue.

    When Rich recommended Chickensystems translator or CDxtract, I think he may have thought you were a PC user. The fact is that although promised upwards of 6 months ago, Chickensystems does not yet offer a MAC version of the GIGA to KONTAKT conversion. As for CDxtract, I did try the demo but it did not work for me and I did not pursue it. In other forums I have seen people express disappointment with this also.

    IF GIGA translation is very important to you, Rich and others can offer a fair amount of experience...you could look in the NI KONTAKT forum searching for \"GIGA\" and join the (painful) fun.

    By the way, Rich, you said elsewhere that you were trying HALION for this problem. Do you know whether DP accepts HALION as a Plugin or does one need third party VST interpretation, like VST Wrapper?

    Ed

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    Re: Kontakt as GS alternative question

    Originally posted by Edi:
    Small point regarding the GIGA issue.

    When Rich recommended Chickensystems translator or CDxtract, I think he may have thought you were a PC user. The fact is that although promised upwards of 6 months ago, Chickensystems does not yet offer a MAC version of the GIGA to KONTAKT conversion. As for CDxtract, I did try the demo but it did not work for me and I did not pursue it. In other forums I have seen people express disappointment with this also.

    IF GIGA translation is very important to you, Rich and others can offer a fair amount of experience...you could look in the NI KONTAKT forum searching for \"GIGA\" and join the (painful) fun.

    By the way, Rich, you said elsewhere that you were trying HALION for this problem. Do you know whether DP accepts HALION as a Plugin or does one need third party VST interpretation, like VST Wrapper?

    Ed
    <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Ohh yea,, good points about the Mac issue Edi. Not sure about halion and DP though(I using SX2 right now) . I know its OSX comp. only though(not OS9). U might wanna pose this Q: on the Halion forum at Cubase.net. ALso, Not Dudley Simpson reports thay CDXtract is trans. his Giga files nicley. Halion is doing a great job i must admit with giga ,but most of my sampling is still done in Kontakt..Best, Rich

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    Re: Kontakt as GS alternative question

    Hi Joris,

    As I said in another topic, take care of the actual version of Kontakt : in case of using it in standolone, it\'s impossible to use it with multi outputs (mac&pc).
    Did.

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    Re: Kontakt as GS alternative question

    Originally posted by DID:
    Hi Joris,

    As I said in another topic, take care of the actual version of Kontakt : in case of using it in standolone, it\'s impossible to use it with multi outputs (mac&pc).
    Did.
    <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Yor must be talking about the multiple out bug in Logic,right? This is a known bug and NI`s probably planning a fix in the next update. They work fine in SX2 BTW [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] Best, Rich

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    Re: Kontakt as GS alternative question

    Hi Rich,
    I also have the problem with logic, but here, I\'m speaking about the standalone mode (in pc or mac) : you can\'t get more than 6 outputs (mono, stereo); Morover, when you configure those outputs in the routing, it crahes.
    Did

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