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    Here is what I posted on 6/17/04:
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    Some of those (a very small number), who wish Bush in office are hoping for the inevitable attack. The spin will be "We're not like the Spanish. We Americans are not going to let terrorists affect the outcome of elections and have us vote for a socialist."
    This is exactly what Osama wants - 4 more years of Bush.(inmsho)
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    And today (7/08/04) in a warning from Tom Ridge (head of Homeland Security):

    "We know they have the capability to succeed and they also hold the mistaken belief that their attacks will have an impact on America's resolve..."

    and

    "...in an effort to disrupt the democratic process"

    I guess we are going to fall for this crap. Attack or even threat plays in to their hands (and Bin Laden).

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    Honest question here. I thought Spain was "terrorized" into a gov't that decided to pull out all support in Iraq, but here you say someone like bin Laden wants four more years of Bush, who would do just the opposite. How do you see this playing into bin Laden's hands? Or do you mean by "their hands", you mean actually Bush's hands?

    Rob

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    Re: Alas, Here we go...

    Ah! A good question. Refreshing!



    Bush has done more to recruit Al Qaeda than anyone can imagine. Bin Laden is a very evil and smart enemy. He has watched as distaste for Al Quaeda in even the western world has turned in to hatred for America. Divide and conquer – oldest trick in the book, but we have enough morons here to fall for it. Bin Laden knows his enemy. He knows our thinking. He knows that the more he generates anti-Americanism; our response will be to say “Who cares what the world thinks! We don’t need it!”

    His worst nightmare would be someone who makes a strong alliance with the world to come after him. Instead, we are isolated, and even divided in our own country. The attacks on Spain weren’t about removing troops. He knows Spanish thinking as well. The attacks were to influence the Spanish elections (hoping that they would vote for a socialist for president). This is all calculated to give Bush the obvious advantage in being able to capitalize on American pride by saying “We aren’t going to vote for a Socialist because Al Quaeda says so!”. They don’t even have to say it. It is implied. Democrat = Socialist is always the underlying BS. Therefore, he will attack, generate “traffic”, or do nothing and watch us self destruct knowing that the threat is enough. The manipulation of our election has already begun successfully - in Spain.

    Our thinking in the war on terror is, at best, two-dimensional. The administration believes we can hunt them all down and kill them. Not going to happen. The only way to beat Bin Laden’s crew is to have a social, religious, and ideological counterweight combined with a strong world alliance led by the US. We had the goodwill after 9/11 to do this, but that was unwisely spent and is gone now. Bin Laden recently said something like “Well, before, Arabs were ruled by the evil dictator Saddam, now we have Bush”. This goes down well in the Arab world. Moderate Arabs who normally side with us are more and more siding with Bin Laden as a result of Bush’s arrogant foreign policies.

    Bin laden knows also that the political climate in the US is to paint anyone who disagrees with Bush as being an enemy of America, or not a patriot, or weak on terrorism. More division! Luscious!

    It is time to wake up people, or we are going to lose the show. This isn’t about ideology. I would gladly let the Republicans choose any other SMART guy from their party, who won’t let ideology blind him from the real threats, in exchange for Bush and Cheney. Cheney is smart enough to know all this which is another reason why it is disturbing. Ronald Reagan would never fall for this, nor elder Bush, nor Clinton, Ford, whoever...

    As for now, Bin Laden is content to have Bush right where he is.

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    So his tactic would be draw the US in in order to get the US completely out by generating anger for the infidel being on holy ground. Sort of like Saddam trying (and failing) to draw Israel into the Kuwait war in order to gain Muslim allies to drive his enemy out. Hm. I hope Bush reads this thread!

    Rob

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    On the tactical level, perhaps. But the Strategic level is different. Actually, Bin Laden could care less about American troops on Holy Land. In fact he welcomes it. It rallies support. Getting us out of the Arab lands is not his goal. His stated goals are to remove US troops from Arab soil, punish us for our one-sided dealings with Israel regarding the Palestinians, so on, and so forth. The truth is he could care less about Islam, Arabs, or Palestinians. It is simply the vehicle by which we feed him endless excuses for his crap. Osama is an apocalyptic figure – a megalomaniac bent on being the great leader who unites all of the Arab world and destroys the United States and western culture. He’d be content to die as a martyr of Islam or whatever, but the stated motives are always the first, biggest lie.
    Hm. I hope Bush reads this thread!
    I hope a lot of people do. I would be quite happy to be completely wrong about Bush.
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    Re: Alas, Here we go...

    Just Posted on CNN:

    "They are focusing on what they perceive to have been successful attacks in Madrid as far as the impact on the electoral process there and the outcome of that election," the official said. "The reporting that we are seeing, the information that we have, is tied to the different types of democratic processes here."
    Another senior intelligence official said authorities are concerned about polling places being targeted during the elections, and they are trying to come up with a protection plan."

    Translation: Be afraid to vote.

    Bush could lay this all to rest by saying ONE thing: "Bin Laden will have no effect on our elections one way or the other, nor will he benefit one way or the other. The best way to not appease the terrorists is to exercise your right to vote for any candidate of your choice on election day - the most patriotic of all American duties"

    Won't happen.

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    What are you talking about? The trrrrists hate freedom. Haven't you heard?

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    Re: Alas, Here we go...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Phoenix
    What are you talking about? The trrrrists hate freedom. Haven't you heard?
    Quite correct Nick. I have serious doubts that he could construct or even deliver the sentence I composed.

    So aside from the political reasons, I postulate that your statement would be what we would hear - for grammatical reasons, given the level of education and intellect.
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    Re: Alas, Here we go...

    OBTW,

    All it takes is two sticks of dynamite in a garbage can outside the Republican convention (assuming the Dems aren’t attacked), to play this card further. Those in this country who have an interest in seeing Bush re-elected have already thought of this dirty trick. All they have to do then is sit back and let people wonder “Why weren’t the Dems attacked? Bin Laden must be for Kerry.”

    They aren’t losing any sleep over this election. They have it all covered - on all fronts (unlike the war on terror).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernstinen
    robh,

    You look pretty young to be interested in politics!

    What a little cutie!

    Anyway, back to the topic at hand ---

    Ern
    Ironically, I don't care much for politics or political philosophy. The human condition piques my interest though, and I guess that can spill over into politics (- and make a terrible mess).

    Thanks for the compliment on my newest family addition. He's not interested in politics though, I can assure you of that. He's focussed on sleep, sucking on a breast, pooping and peeing right now. (Not too much different from his father )

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