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    how do i realise an "orchetral cluster"?

    where can i find some information (midi files, dox, etc) about how to make an "orchestral cluster"?
    anyone can help by posting some chords/notes and the instruments which play them?

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    Re: how do i realise an "orchetral cluster"?

    Quote Originally Posted by bosone
    where can i find some information (midi files, dox, etc) about how to make an "orchestral cluster"?
    anyone can help by posting some chords/notes and the instruments which play them?
    Hey Bosone,

    A really good example of a nice cluster chord would be the driving rythmic motif in Stravinsky's Rite of Spring. It employs 8 (!) F. horns and all the strings.

    Now - i am not exactly sure what NOTES they are in the Rite of Spring score, as it has been many years since analyzing it, but the structure of the chords is basically two spearate chords played a minor second apart. Kind of like this: You have a major chord like
    G-B-D-G
    and then add to it
    Ab-C-Eb-Ab
    at the same time.

    you can vary that, of course, but the idea is the same - you have two separate chords that when played at the same time, create great dissonance because of the relationship between them (in the case above - one chord is only 1/2 step away from the other - leaving no diatonic chord tones shared with either chord.)
    I hope that helps

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    Re: how do i realise an "orchetral cluster"?

    Jerry (or some other inspired GPO User),

    Would someone like to create some orchestral clusters and hits? It would be great to hear many different creations and this would be of help to users. Accompanying MIDI files would also be appreciated.

    Gary Garritan

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    Re: how do i realise an "orchetral cluster"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Garritan
    Jerry (or some other inspired GPO User),

    Would someone like to create some orchestral clusters and hits? It would be great to hear many different creations and this would be of help to users. Accompanying MIDI files would also be appreciated.

    Gary Garritan
    Hey,

    This is just a single example of a cluster. I wish I could do a couple of more - and probably will, but just don't have the time to really do a wonderful job. I wanted to do this right and do solo instruments and build ensemble like that, but didn't have time.

    This is for brass:

    http://home.comcast.net/~jerrywickham/Cluster_No.1.mp3

    And here is the pdf for that

    http://home.comcast.net/~jerrywickham/cluster.pdf

    And here is the midi file for that

    http://home.comcast.net/~jerrywickham/cluster.mid


    I used
    F. Horn overlay FF
    F. horn overlay F
    Trumpet overlay
    Trombone overlay
    Tuba overlay

    I like to use cluster chords in Sforzando passages - I think they are most effective. This is not a great example, but at least gives you an idea of how to realize a cluster chord.

    Thanks

    Jerry
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    Re: how do i realise an "orchetral cluster"?

    To me, one cluster sounds pretty much like another! Just pick some notes, close together, spread them out over a few octaves, start of mf and ease the mod wheel up to max.

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    Re: how do i realise an "orchetral cluster"?

    ...also known as poly-chords. Technically one can use any two chords played simultaneously and call it a poly-chord. A CMAJ7 chord is a poly chord. Just combine C and Emin. Of course you guys seem to be looking at the more harsh tight harmonies present in Stravinsky. He used them in Firebird also. I like them, I just don't use them a lot.

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