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    Senior Member Styxx's Avatar
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    Question Your score and proper Cleffs?

    Who can give me a run down of proper clefs for a score for full orchestra?
    No biggies, just curious as to how many discrepancies emerge.
    Styxx

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    Re: Your score and proper Cleffs?

    I think the Bass Clarinet is written in Treble clef. Though I am not entirely sure about that.

    I know a Bass Clarinet player. I'll ask him to be sure.

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    treble treble treble bass treble treble treble bass bass percussion bass treble treble alto bass bass

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    Re: Your score and proper Cleffs?

    For a transposed score:

    Treble clef: Flutes, Piccolo Oboes, English Horn, Clarinets, (incl. Bass Clarinet), F Horns, Trumpets, Orch. Bells, Glock, Violins

    Alto clef: Viola

    Bass Clef: Bassoons, Trombones, Tuba, Celli, Basses

    Tenor Clef is also used for Bassoons, Trombones, Celli

    Viola & Celli can be written in treble clef for their high register

    I think that covers the basics.
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    Re: Your score and proper Cleffs?

    The real trick is that while we all probably write our music in concert pitch, the individual parts need to be transposed for each instrument.

    The brass family (I know little about strings in this regard) has all kinds of changes... in Bb concert, flutes and low brass are all concert-pitch, but trumpets are in C, clarinets in something else, french horn (or german horn as the french call it.. not to be confused with the cor englais!) is doing something completely weird.

    Thank goodness there's notation software that will automatically re-write your score from concert to what the musician expects to see in order to play what you've written.
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    And basses are written an octave above pitch played... that's all I know!!

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    Re: Your score and proper Cleffs?

    Quote Originally Posted by FredProgGH
    And basses are written an octave above pitch played... that's all I know!!
    WOW! after reading that I think I'm actually glad I do everything by ear and don't have to worry about none of that stuff,, sounds like too many different unions

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    Re: Your score and proper Cleffs?

    http://www.orchestralibrary.com/reftables/rang.html and all that jive cosmic debris!
    Styxx

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMax
    Thank goodness there's notation software that will automatically re-write your score from concert to what the musician expects to see in order to play what you've written.
    Yeah, no doubt! I have not so fond memories of arranging for bands in high school, painstakingly transposing for each instrument with my little homemade transposition wheel. Yuck!
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    Re: Your score and proper Cleffs?

    You should hear these post zip over my head. Styxx, you can guarantee some emails will be flying your way from me tonight. This is getting a little too technical for a music noob like me.

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