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    Giga Users using DP or PTools

    I know this isn\'t the forum for Digital performer or Pro Tools. I\'m about to make the jump from PC to Mac and these two sequencers are my choices.

    Could I have some private email contact with any Giga users of these sequencers? I just got a couple questions.

    You can email me at rshanlon2@yahoo.com with
    \'Sequencers\' in the subject line.

    Thanks. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

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    Re: Giga Users using DP or PTools

    I use Giga160 with Digital Performer. What would you like to know?

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    Re: Giga Users using DP or PTools

    digitalC, thanks for replying.

    Just curious what kind of performance one can get out of DP with a dual 1Ghz interms of track count, plug-ins (primarily MAS)?

    Also, wondering how DP is faring with the new Mac OS X (Jaguar?)

    And lastly, how one is integrating Giga PC with the Mac in terms of connections.

    Also, any opinions of the firewire 828\'s mic preamps?

    Thanks for any help you can give.

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    Re: Giga Users using DP or PTools

    Marty,

    I use Pro-Tools and Logic on the Mac. One thing to keep in mind is that Pro-Tools is really not a sequencer. It has midi functionality, but it is just basic.

    The other thing to remember is that you have to use Digidesign hardware to run Pro-Tools. (you can run the Pro-Tools free version with other hardware).

    So if using Pro-Tools is going to be a staple for you, you MUST buy one of the Digidesign hardware interfaces. Can\'t get around that.

    The benefit of using Logic instead of DP is that you can also buy the EXS24 sampler, which reads and plays Gigastudio samples. There are workarounds for DP, but you have to get a 3rd party softsampler like Unity.

    Overall, the Mac and PC combo is an efficient way to go.

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    Re: Giga Users using DP or PTools

    Originally posted by digitalc:
    I use Giga160 with Digital Performer. What would you like to know?
    <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">I\'d like to know which 8x8 MIDI interface you\'re using with the Mac and which 4x4 with Giga?

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    Re: Giga Users using DP or PTools

    I just set up this type of system this past weekend.
    I am using DP on my Mac connected to a MOTU Express XT 8x8 Midi interface and a MOTU 828. I take four outs from the XT and send them to my USB Midiman 4x4. This will get the midi into GS and I send the audio out to the MOTU 828 via S/PDIF cable and the S/PDIF out on my Audiophile 2496 sound card on my PC sound card.

    Long winded, but this setup has worked really well so far. DP handles the sequencing extremely well and I haven\'t even gotten a chance to jump into 90% of it yet.

    DP3 is not OSX compatible yet...any day now.
    With a Dual 1GHz system, you will get an absurd amount of audio tracks.
    Integrating GS into DP is very easy if you understand the signal flow. Daily use is as simple as using an external sequencer.

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    Re: Giga Users using DP or PTools

    Thanks guy for the replies.

    To the guy who mentioned \'Logic\' as an option...well, I hear ya...It\'s got the EX sampler..sounds really great and a lot less complicated then a PC/Mac combo (esp. for the portable on the road set-up...just one Powerbook). Giga may sound great on it but it ain\'t using giga\'s full functionality. We\'ll see. Lots of choices.

    The the one who mentioned ProTools basic midi functionalities....would one then rate DP a more in depth midi sequencer than PT? If so, why?

    Makes complete sense madk. Are you using a portable laptop rig at all?

    Since you have the 828, that would go into a Powerbook. Then the PC set up would have to be...ANOTHER laptop with another soundcard...then midi devices on each each...OH boy, it ain\'t very portable anymore? [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

    Oh, boy the day Giga gets to the Mac, there will be a mad dash by all those Mac users to stick to Mac-only set-ups.

    OK...madk how would you rate the 828 mic preamps. Are they \'accurate\'...maybe even a little \'plain\' (like the Aark soundcard preamps) or...what? [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

    Thanks.

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    Re: Giga Users using DP or PTools

    Originally posted by madk:
    I just set up this type of system this past weekend.
    I am using DP on my Mac connected to a MOTU Express XT 8x8 Midi interface and a MOTU 828. I take four outs from the XT and send them to my USB Midiman 4x4.
    <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">For your MIDI Express, are you using USB or Serial? Also, when running from the MIDI Express into the MIDIMan USB 4x4, are you experiencing latency? Just asking because the folks at Nemesys consistently recommend not using USB going into GS, so I\'d be interested in your experience.

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    Re: Giga Users using DP or PTools

    Originally posted by peter269:
    </font><blockquote><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><hr /><font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Originally posted by madk:
    I just set up this type of system this past weekend.
    I am using DP on my Mac connected to a MOTU Express XT 8x8 Midi interface and a MOTU 828. I take four outs from the XT and send them to my USB Midiman 4x4.
    <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">For your MIDI Express, are you using USB or Serial? Also, when running from the MIDI Express into the MIDIMan USB 4x4, are you experiencing latency? Just asking because the folks at Nemesys consistently recommend not using USB going into GS, so I\'d be interested in your experience.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Hi Peter

    I\'m also using DP with a USB Midi Express XT.
    I\'m running two Giga PCs and each have a Midiman Midisport 2x2. Latency is not great Midi wise. I know it\'s not at the Mac end as DP has this MIDI Time Stamping thing which is amazingly tight. Timing integrity, slop, jitter, whatever you want to call it are as good as it gets IMO.

    Both PCs have RME Hammerfall DSP/Multiface audio interfaces. I have latency set to 1.5ms in the Hammerfall control panel and yet I STILL get some noticable latency via the Midisports. It\'s not a huge amount but enough to bother me compared to the tightness at the DP/Mac end.

    Added to this are the dreaded \"Conexant Wavestream error \" crashes in XP which I believe are down to the Midiports. I don\'t consider them a good investment and I\'m looking for non USB alternatives.

    Just my two pence :-)
    Dave Marsden
    http://www.gameaudio.com
    UK

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    Re: Giga Users using DP or PTools

    Hi Marty

    Sorry I\'m a bit late on this.

    \"Just curious what kind of performance one can get out of DP with a dual 1Ghz interms of track count, plug-ins (primarily MAS)?\"

    A lot!!!! :-) DP is pretty clever about distributing plug-ins between the processors. The UI tends to get unresponsive with higher CPU loads though. 70 odd Bomb Factory compressors, massive numbers of Waves Ren comps and eqs are possible for example. In terms of track counts, I\'ve not really pushed the limits but I\'ve hit 80 tracks of 24 bit/44.1Khz easily and I bet it could go over a 100 tracks without problem.

    \"Also, wondering how DP is faring with the new Mac OS X (Jaguar?)\"

    DP doesn\'t support OSX although it is promised, I do have OSX on the same partition as DP and OS9 with no problems.
    BTW NEWS FLASH Logic Audio is available for OSX as of today!!!!

    \"And lastly, how one is integrating Giga PC with the Mac in terms of connections.\"

    For Midi see my post to Peter above. Audio wise I have RME Hammerfall DSP/Multifaces for the Giga PCs going via balanced analog cable to a Yamaha 02R. The 02R connects to a MOTU 2408 on the Mac via TDIF.

    \"Also, any opinions of the firewire 828\'s mic preamps?\"

    OK is all! Not a huge amount of gain available.
    I use a Focusrite Trackmaster with digital out as a front end to my MOTU 2408 and it\'s much better and very cost effective.

    Hope this helps

    Dave Marsden
    http://www.gameaudio.com
    UK

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