Synful orchestra.. anyone try this yet?

**moosethree** · 12-27-2004, 01:37 AM

yes....specialize in what its good at.......get it into the market on the widest basis possible.....make it affordable.....sell it in solo or smaller versions for the hobbyist as well as the big sets for the pro.

**YBaCuO** · 12-27-2004, 01:41 AM

And just to be clear - by "sustain sound," I mean anything over about an 1/8 note. And what is that breathy attack? - it gets annoying after awhile.

**Joseph Burrell** · 12-27-2004, 02:05 AM

I'm with ya neo.

**Alexcremers** · 12-27-2004, 03:17 AM

Originally Posted by YBaCuO

For fast passages, Synful does do something interesting.

But a lot more work needs to be done on the sustain.

A Franck Violin Sonata with Synful Violin
http://www.wusik.com/song.php?id=403

Franck Violin Sonata with GPO
http://www.wusik.com/song.php?id=362

My ears still hurt from working on this piece with the Synful ...

(Other GPO examples at http://ybacuo.wusik.com )

YBaCuO

YBaCuO, are you serious? The GPO version sounds...fake, sustain et tous (excuse my language). It's only with the Synful version that I get a sense of hearing a real violinist. There's no comparison. Synful is the way to go.

BTW, what is that ambience you're using. It sounds interesting. It's almost as if you placed some mics in front of your speakers.

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Alex Cremers

**spectro** · 12-27-2004, 03:32 AM

Interesting to listen to examples from Synful and follow this thread and the 'side' issues that arise.

Now to the point of my post, a question that someone would eventually ask and that will surely be asked of you many times in the forseeable future:

Eric, are you planning or considering a Mac Port of Synful?

Unless I missed something, there was no obvious statement on the Synful site...

**midphase** · 12-27-2004, 04:50 AM

Eric,

I have $475 burning in my pocket for your product but only if it's Mac AU compatible. Mac users represent a huge chunk of the pro music market and quite frankly I'm getting tired of developers using the "just buy a PC" line. Please tell me that a Mac version is in the works and that an announcement will be made soon concerning the upcoming release!

**Hardy Heern** · 12-27-2004, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by neoTypic

An annendum:

I fully admit being a newbie when it comes to music, and I would love to be proven wrong because I truly do enjoy getting excited about new technology.

Here is the MIDI file for Sanguine, and here is an MP3 using only GPO. The ONLY change to the midi file was to substitute volume data for mod data (since GPO uses mod for volume).

I would love for someone to be able to get it to sound better than that using Synful.

Neo, your wish has been granted....just listen to what some of the other guys have put up.....

Frank

PS It's not perfect....What is??? However it's a great improvement, in many ways, over some alternatives. Don't see it as a threat to what you have, it's just an additional tool to use in the musical armoury that others may enjoy and find useful.

**Hardy Heern** · 12-27-2004, 06:54 AM

Please let's not waste time and effort debating the bleeding obvious fact that that hobbyists and pros want the most realistic sounds possible, as simply as possible for the least money as possible.....end of story!! (isn't it?)

For goodness sake, history gives the clue. We'd all be using analogue instruments wouldn't we? Everyone could stop developing new stuff, we wouldn't have to spend any money on it or learn new techniques.

I can't believe that some folk can't accept the continuation of what has been happening for the last 20yrs!

Now, what was that about Synful?.....

Frank

**MCS** · 12-27-2004, 07:10 AM

Hi!

OK, here´s the comarison:
Delay Off:

www.mimesc.com/music/SynfulViolinDelayOff.mp3

Delay On:

www.mimesc.com/music/SynfulViolinDelayOn.mp3
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Just a few thoughts:
Yesterday I made a test, because I had the opportunity. I gave this example to the conductor of the orchestra, in which I´m also playing. Afer the first time he listened to it, he asked me, who is playing this concerto... I told him he should listened again... The third time, I said to him, it´s a computeroutput. He was really surprised about the qualitiy (OK, he has not so much experiences with music on computers). Also other violinists thought this was real. Only one of them, could identify it as a computeroutput at the first time.
All I can say is: I´m playing violin for 20 years now and I maintain it sounds real. Of course there are weak points, and the quality of a sample is maybe better, but try to get this output by just copying the midinotes to a sample - track....
Just my 2 cents.

Best,
Michael

**Alexcremers** · 12-27-2004, 07:10 AM

I also wish to say to Lee Blaske that, to my ears, a real instrument has more power (in every thinkable sense) than a sampled 8 horn section. You get so much more information from hearing a real instrument than you would from a "sample", no matter how many instruments were used. A real instrument affects the brain in a variety of suttle ways that samples simply can't. Like the word says, it only a "sample" (a fragment, a part).

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Alex Cremers