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    So, Bush Babies, Was it Worth it?

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    Well...

    Now that a new study has come out telling us that, since we invaded, Iraq has become the worlds most active terrorist training ground and that -- if they don't die in Iraq -- thousands of those terrorists will be sent to all corners of the world, including the U.S....

    Was it worth it?

    Now that the White House has confirmed what many experts were saying a year BEFORE the invasion, that Iraq has no WMDs (and, as we all should know, had NOTHING to do with 9/11)....

    Was it worth it?

    Now that over 100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women and children are dead as a direct result of this invasion, supposedly because we didn't like the way their leader was treating them....

    Was it worth it?

    Now that a 1,000+ American soldiers have been struck dead while fighting for a cause that even the most strident neocon can't convincingly articulate....

    Was it worth it?

    Was it worth it Bush Babies? Was it worth it, America?

    George W. Bush thinks so.

    Whose son or daughter will be next? Yours?
    --
    Robert Gregory Browne
    KISS HER GOODBYE (now available)
    KILLER YEAR: Stories to Die For (Jan. 2008)
    WHISPER IN THE DARK (2008)
    St. Martin's Press
    http://www.robertgregorybrowne.com

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    Re: So, Bush Babies, Was it Worth it?

    Rob,

    I agree with you, but find the tone of your message to be too confrontational to be effective. Coincidentally, I received this from my wife this morning and it may be a more effective approach. Let me know if you agree.

    Steve Chandler

    Dr. Robin Meyers Oklahoma University Peace Rally November 14,2004

    As some of you know, I am minister of Mayflower Congregational
    Church in Oklahoma City, an Open and Affirming, Peace and Justice
    church in northwest Oklahoma City, and professor of Rhetoric at
    Oklahoma City University. But you would most likely have
    encountered me on the pages of the Oklahoma Gazette, where I have
    been a columnist for six years, and hold the record for the most
    number of angry letters to the editor.

    Tonight, I join ranks of those who are angry, because I have
    watched as the faith I love has been taken over by
    fundamentalists who claim to speak for Jesus, but whose actions are
    anything but Christian. We've heard a lot lately about
    so-called "moral values" as having swung the election to
    President Bush. Well, I'm a great believer in moral values, but we
    need to have a discussion, all over this country, about
    exactly what constitutes a moral value. I mean what are we
    talking about?

    Because we don't get to make them up as we go along, especially not
    if we are people of faith. We have an inherited tradition of what is
    right and wrong, and moral is as moral does. Let me give you just a
    few of the reasons why I take issue with those in
    power who claim moral values are on their side:

    When you start a war on false pretenses, and then act as if your
    deceptions are justified because you are doing God's will, and that
    your critics are either unpatriotic or lacking in faith,
    there are some of us who have given our lives to teaching and
    preaching the faith who believe that this is not only not moral, but
    immoral.

    When you live in a country that has established international
    rules for waging a just war, build the United Nations on your
    own soil to enforce them, and then arrogantly break the very
    rules you set down for the rest of the world, you are doing
    something immoral.

    When you claim that Jesus is the Lord of your life, and yet fail to
    acknowledge that your policies ignore his essential teaching, or
    turn them on their head (you know, Sermon on the Mount stuff like
    that we must never return violence for violence and that
    those who live by the sword will die by the sword), you are
    doing something immoral.

    When you act as if the lives of Iraqi civilians are not as
    important as the lives of American soldiers, and refuse to even
    count them, you are doing something immoral.

    When you find a way to avoid combat in Vietnam, and then
    question the patriotism of someone who volunteered to fight, and
    came home a hero, you are doing something immoral.

    When you ignore the fundamental teachings of the gospel, which says
    that the way the strong treat the weak is the ultimate
    ethical test, by giving tax breaks to the wealthiest among us so the
    strong will get stronger and the weak will get weaker, you are doing
    something immoral.

    When you wink at the torture of prisoners, and deprive so-called
    "enemy combatants" of the rules of the Geneva Convention, which your
    own country helped to establish and insists that other
    countries follow, you are doing something immoral.

    When you claim that the world can be divided up into the good
    guys and the evil doers, slice up your own nation into those who are
    with you, (or with the terrorists?), and then launch a war which
    enriches your own friends and seizes control of the oil to which we
    are addicted, instead of helping us to kick the habit, you are doing
    something immoral.

    When you fail to veto a single spending bill, but ask us to pay for
    a war with no exit strategy and no end in sight, creating an
    enormous deficit that hangs like a great millstone around the
    necks of our children, you are doing something immoral.

    When you cause most of the rest of the world to hate a country that
    was once the most loved country in the world, and act like it
    doesn?t matter what others think of us, only what God thinks of you,
    you have done something immoral.

    When you use hatred of homosexuals as a wedge issue to turn out
    record numbers of evangelical voters, and use the Constitution as a
    tool of discrimination, you are doing something immoral.

    When you favor the death penalty, and yet claim to be a follower of
    Jesus, who said an eye for an eye was the old way, not the
    way of the kingdom, you are doing something immoral.

    When you dismantle countless environmental laws designed to
    protect the earth which is God?s gift to us all, so that the
    corporations that bought you and paid for your favors will make
    higher profits while our children breathe dirty air and live in a
    toxic world, you have done something immoral. The earth
    belongs to the Lord, not Halliburton.

    When you claim that our God is bigger than their God, and that
    our killing is righteous, while theirs is evil, we have begun to
    resemble the enemy we claim to be fighting, and that is immoral.
    We have met the enemy, and the enemy is us.

    When you tell people that you intend to run and govern as a
    "compassionate conservative", using the word which is the
    essence of all religious faith-compassion, and then show no
    compassion for anyone who disagrees with you, and no patience
    with those who cry to you for help, you are doing something
    immoral.

    When you talk about Jesus constantly, who was a healer of the
    sick, but do nothing to make sure that anyone who is sick can go to
    see a doctor, even if she doesn?t have a penny in her pocket, you
    are doing something immoral.

    When you put judges on the bench who are racist, and will set
    women back a hundred years, and when you surround yourself with
    preachers who say gays ought to be killed, you are doing
    something immoral.

    I'm tired of people thinking that because I'm a Christian, I
    must be a supporter of President Bush, or that because I favor civil
    rights and gay rights I must not be a person of faith. I'm tired of
    people saying that I can't support the troops but
    oppose the war?

    I heard that when I was your age, when the Vietnam War was
    raging. We knew that that war was wrong, and you know that this war
    is wrong, the only question is how many people are going to die
    before these make-believe Christians are removed from power?

    This country is bankrupt. The war is morally bankrupt. The claim of
    this administration to be Christian is bankrupt. And the only people
    who can turn things around are people like you, young
    people who are just beginning to wake up to what is happening to
    them. It's your country to take back. It's your faith to take
    back. It's your future to take back.

    Don't be afraid to speak out. Don?t back down when your friends
    begin to tell you that the cause is righteous and that the flag
    should be wrapped around the cross, while the rest of us keep
    our mouths shut. Real Christians take chances for peace. So do real
    Jews, and real Muslims, and real Hindus, and real Buddhists, so do
    all the faith traditions of the world at their heart
    believe one thing: life is precious. Every human being is
    precious.

    Arrogance is the opposite of faith. Greed is the opposite of
    charity. And believing that one has never made a mistake is the mark
    of a deluded man, not a man of faith. And "war is the
    greatest failure of the human race" and thus the greatest
    failure of faith.

    There's an old rock and roll song, whose lyrics say it all: War,
    what is it good for? Absolutely nothing. And what is the dream of
    the prophets? That we should study war no more, that we
    should beat our swords into plowshares and our spears into
    pruning hooks. Who would Jesus bomb, indeed? How many wars does it
    take to know that too many people have died? What if they
    gave a war and nobody came? Maybe one day we will find out.

    Time to march again my friends. Time to commit acts of civil
    disobedience. Time to sing, and to pray, and refuse to
    participate in the madness. My generation finally stopped a
    tragic war. You can, too!

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    Re: So, Bush Babies, Was it Worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by pantonality
    Rob,

    I agree with you, but find the tone of your message to be too confrontational to be effective. Coincidentally, I received this from my wife this morning and it may be a more effective approach. Let me know if you agree.
    I think the problem is that people like us are not confrontational enough. The people we're trying to get through to do not understand subtlety or respond to passivity. A hammer to the head is the only thing they get.
    --
    Robert Gregory Browne
    KISS HER GOODBYE (now available)
    KILLER YEAR: Stories to Die For (Jan. 2008)
    WHISPER IN THE DARK (2008)
    St. Martin's Press
    http://www.robertgregorybrowne.com

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    Re: So, Bush Babies, Was it Worth it?

    Nice post Steve

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    Re: So, Bush Babies, Was it Worth it?

    I like it.

    When you act as if the lives of Iraqi civilians are not as
    important as the lives of American soldiers, and refuse to even
    count them, you are doing something immoral.
    You also have to question whether the lives of Iraqi solders are worth nothing. Yes the enemy is shooting at you, etc., but I have a hard time getting past the fact that they're all young people just like our soldiers.

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    Re: So, Bush Babies, Was it Worth it?

    The Whole think just madness. I wake up everyday thinking...what's going on. And yet these loonies got back into power on a whole bunch of lies. What is going on ?

    ed

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    Re: So, Bush Babies, Was it Worth it?

    In their own words:

    But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them.~~~
    George W. Bush, President
    Interview with TVP Poland
    5/30/2003

    We are greatly concerned about any possible linkup between terrorists and regimes that have or seek weapons of mass destruction...In the case of Saddam Hussein, we've got a dictator who is clearly pursuing and already possesses some of these weapons.. A regime that hates America and everything we stand for must never be permitted to threaten America with weapons of mass destruction.~~~
    Dick Cheney, Vice President
    Detroit, Fund-Raiser
    6/20/2002

    Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. ~~~
    Dick Cheney, Vice President
    Speech to VFW National Convention
    8/26/2002

    There is already a mountain of evidence that Saddam Hussein is gathering weapons for the purpose of using them. And adding additional information is like adding a foot to Mount Everest.~~~
    Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
    Response to Question From Press
    9/6/2002

    After eleven years during which we have tried containment, sanctions, inspections, even selected military action, the end result is that Saddam Hussein still has chemical and biological weapons and is increasing his capabilities to make more. And he is moving ever closer to developing a nuclear weapon.~~~
    George W. Bush, President
    Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
    10/7/2002

    We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas~~~
    George W. Bush, President
    Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
    10/7/2002



    Thank you Dailykos.



    Ed

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    Re: So, Bush Babies, Was it Worth it?

    Hmmm

    The deafining silence from the right wing on this forum speaks volumes.

    ed

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    Re: So, Bush Babies, Was it Worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by ed buller
    Hmmm

    The deafining silence from the right wing on this forum speaks volumes.

    ed
    "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig."

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredProgGH
    "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig."
    Hehe - Dogs look up to you - cats look down on you - and pigs treat you as equals. And Ed - are you ever going to learn how to spell? Do you mean deafening - or defining? Or was it a play on words? Actually, stupid me - you'd need an IQ of over a 90 for that. What was I thinking?

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