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    94 40.34%
  • Dongle (as in Steinberg products)

    39 16.74%
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    93 39.91%
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Topic: NAMM: Steinberg Copy Protection Mandatory

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    NAMM: Steinberg Copy Protection Mandatory

    http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=1965
    NAMM: Steinberg Copy Protection Mandatory

    New USB dongle guards crown jewels 24-Jan-05

    Steinberg announced that their USB-based hardware copy protection device as a separate product. Accompanying the product launch is the announcement that customers who purchase Steinberg VSTi products released for the first time after 1st January 2005 and who do not already own a Steinberg USB key copy protection device as part of their Steinberg product will be required to buy a Steinberg Key as a required component to be able to run the VSTi software. However, existing Steinberg Cubase SX/SL, HALion, Hypersonic and Nuendo customers already in possession of a USB Key will no longer have to obtain a USB Key that they do not need, and will be able to buy future Steinberg VST instruments at a reduced price as a result.

    The current standard of copy protection employed with its latest generation DAW and VSTi products is among the most successful in the industry today. Supplier of this successful technology is the German copy protection specialist, Syncrosoft GmbH.

    "This system offers many benefits for Steinberg customers," explains Claus Menke, Steinberg's Head of Product Management. "The introduction of the Steinberg Key will extend the highly successful current generation of the Syncrosoft copy protection system to all new Steinberg VSTi products, helping to protect not only our investments, but also that of our customers and dealers," Menke continues.

    Pricing and availability
    Steinberg Key will be available for €19.90* from February 2005.
    *SRP includes 16% German VAT. Prices subject to regional variations.


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    Re: NAMM: Steinberg Copy Protection Mandatory

    ...And thus they will recieve not $1 from me ever again. That's a shame ... they make great products.

    The current standard of copy protection employed with its latest generation DAW and VSTi products is among the most successful in the industry today. Supplier of this successful technology is the German copy protection specialist, Syncrosoft GmbH.
    Depends on how you define "success". If licenses are easily transferable (i.e. just buy a new dongle if something happens) that would be an improvement over the old schemes.
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    Hmmmmmmmm. Personally, I believe that hardware things seem somewhat redundant in the face of the technology of "license stamping" that Native Instruments uses, but whatever software-producing folks need to do to protect their products from being used by folks who didn't pay their way is FINE with me.

    I'm just wondering, though. I have Cubase SX *and* HALion3 and currently have TWO dongles. Will I get a double discount?

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    Not that it matters, but I wonder if the recent Yamaha merger has any bearing on this news. (I mean Yamaha did buy them recently, didn't they?)
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    Re: NAMM: Steinberg Copy Protection Mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKauai
    ... but whatever software-producing folks need to do to protect their products from being used by folks who didn't pay their way is FINE with me.
    I agree Kevin . The problem is a misunderstanding of the pirate mentality on the part of software developers. The better the scheme – the more challenge to disable – the more likely it is to be cracked. I am no pirate, but I have been a hacker for many years now. You’ll just have to trust me on this.

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    Re: NAMM: Steinberg Copy Protection Mandatory

    I trust ya, Brian, but I would question the overall wisdom of deciding NEVER to purchase a product which uses any particular hardware or software protection scheme as having any but the most minute influence on the buying decision -- certainly NOT the top-of-the-stack go or no-go decision factor.

    I've got 7 USB holes on my newest computer (as well as a USB 4 for 1 splitter in reserve) so I'm cool with the sellers off-loading this bit of insurance onto my system. (The scheme that Steinberg uses also has a way of combining the dongles into one -- which is why future dongles won't be needed if you already have one -- so there's really not a danger of my USB holes being filled.)

    anyway ... my $0.02 ... KevinKauai

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    Re: NAMM: Steinberg Copy Protection Mandatory

    I have to admit, I don't quite understand what is being said here. I own Cubase SE, what does this mean in laymans terms to me?
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    Yeah, copy protection, first topic that i read here, what a coincidence and what a sad topic for me, indeed... because I'm currently very frustrated about GPO's one. At the moment it seems that it holds me, who payed for GPO (Well, used on ebay, but nearly at full price) away from using it. Last weekend, the trial period runs out, and so I cannot longer use it

    The previous owner still had not transfered his 'licence' to me - and I wonder, if he ever will... I have already payed him and received the 4 CDs, the manual with the serial number, the package - even the small paper "Welcome to Personal Orchestra... Let the music begin!". But trying to activate GPO with the Registration Tool leads to a "Licence already in use"-Error...

    Ok, well, for this case NI had a support email formular. I filled it out (Real Name, SerialNumber, HardwareNumber), send it with a Link to the ebay-Auction i won - as some kind of (well, i admit, poor) proof - and a short description, that I want the Licence to be transfered to me, because I am now the owner. They mailed me back, including some confuse text and a 'licence transfer formular" which the former user should sign and fax or mail (real mail not electronic) Oh, thats realy a proof... I could even send this myself, faking the signment if I want to cheat - they could never find out - But I mailed this formular to the one i got GPO from - and since then (and another try...) i wait for a reply... and wait... and now I cannot use GPO anymore

    I even mailed NI again, making the suggestion, that I could take a digital picture of the package, CDs and my "personal identity card" - or could go directly to their office here in Berlin(Germany) showing the package to them! No, no, no - "Hi dude, Sorry, we cannot transfer a license... please continue to try to contact previous owner" thats NI's reply. Ha, Ha Ha...

    So what is it, I want to say: Copy Protection is realy, realy stupid - and more a frustration to the rightfull owner, than to the filthy pirate who crack it anyway in no time (even if it would be the most stupid piece of software on earth (and that of course, GPO ist not at all, it is a great product! I enjoyed my little first steps making music with it a lot) if it is protected, he will crack it) - or to the mindless user, who saves all the pain and all the money, downloading what he wants, without annoyance, without difficulty straight from the internet q.e.d.

    ...

    Oh, i read my post again, i really got upset, i'm sorry But it may be an advise to make sure, that the license is transfered as soon as possible if you buy GPO or something else from NI used.
    And it is a 'hands on experience' around the subject 'copy protection'... (not a good one)

    Perhaps, is here anyone who experienced the same with NI? Any tips, what I can do? Or anyone who was in a similar situation and got it solved?

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    Re: NAMM: Steinberg Copy Protection Mandatory

    Styxx, it will not affect you. I'm sure on their lite products, they won't bother. Now if you ever upgrade, you'll need to be prepared to use the dongle.

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    Re: NAMM: Steinberg Copy Protection Mandatory

    I actually prefer the dongle to all other protection schemes.

    It works in the backdrop - it doesn't require an internet connection (unless upgrading and then can be done from a different computer) and I like to reinstall XP every 6 months to clean out my system, this causes a huge problem with the NI protection schemes. Every time I reinstall Windows it gives me a new system ID and I have to go there deactivating machines for Kontakt and GPO.

    And now that it can all go onto one dongle - even better.
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