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    911 We will not Forget....that Bush did it.

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    9/11 Report Cites Many Warnings about Hijackings
    By Eric Lichtblau
    The New York Times

    Thursday 10 February 2005

    WASHINGTON, Feb. 9 - In the months before the Sept. 11 attacks, federal aviation officials reviewed dozens of intelligence reports that warned about Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda, some of which specifically discussed airline hijackings and suicide operations, according to a previously undisclosed report from the 9/11 commission.

    But aviation officials were "lulled into a false sense of security," and "intelligence that indicated a real and growing threat leading up to 9/11 did not stimulate significant increases in security procedures," the commission report concluded.

    The report discloses that the Federal Aviation Administration, despite being focused on risks of hijackings overseas, warned airports in the spring of 2001 that if "the intent of the hijacker is not to exchange hostages for prisoners, but to commit suicide in a spectacular explosion, a domestic hijacking would probably be preferable."

    The report takes the F.A.A. to task for failing to pursue domestic security measures that could conceivably have altered the events of Sept. 11, 2001, like toughening airport screening procedures for weapons or expanding the use of on-flight air marshals. The report, completed last August, said officials appeared more concerned with reducing airline congestion, lessening delays, and easing airlines' financial woes than deterring a terrorist attack.

    The Bush administration has blocked the public release of the full, classified version of the report for more than five months, officials said, much to the frustration of former commission members who say it provides a critical understanding of the failures of the civil aviation system. The administration provided both the classified report and a declassified, 120-page version to the National Archives two weeks ago and, even with heavy redactions in some areas, the declassified version provides the firmest evidence to date about the warnings that aviation officials received concerning the threat of an attack on airliners and the failure to take steps to deter it.

    Among other things, the report says that leaders of the F.A.A. received 52 intelligence reports from their security branch that mentioned Mr. bin Laden or Al Qaeda from April to Sept. 10, 2001. That represented half of all the intelligence summaries in that time.

    Five of the intelligence reports specifically mentioned Al Qaeda's training or capability to conduct hijackings, the report said. Two mentioned suicide operations, although not connected to aviation, the report said.

    A spokeswoman for the F.A.A., the agency that bears the brunt of the commission's criticism, said Wednesday that the agency was well aware of the threat posed by terrorists before Sept. 11 and took substantive steps to counter it, including the expanded use of explosives detection units.

    "We had a lot of information about threats," said the spokeswoman, Laura J. Brown. "But we didn't have specific information about means or methods that would have enabled us to tailor any countermeasures."

    She added: "After 9/11, the F.A..A. and the entire aviation community took bold steps to improve aviation security, such as fortifying cockpit doors on 6,000 airplanes, and those steps took hundreds of millions of dollars to implement."

    The report, like previous commission documents, finds no evidence that the government had specific warning of a domestic attack and says that the aviation industry considered the hijacking threat to be more worrisome overseas.

    "The fact that the civil aviation system seems to have been lulled into a false sense of security is striking not only because of what happened on 9/11 but also in light of the intelligence assessments, including those conducted by the F.A.A.'s own security branch, that raised alarms about the growing terrorist threat to civil aviation throughout the 1990's and into the new century," the report said.

    In its previous findings, including a final report last July that became a best-selling book, the 9/11 commission detailed the harrowing events aboard the four hijacked flights that crashed on Sept. 11 and the communications problems between civil aviation and military officials that hampered the response. But the new report goes further in revealing the scope and depth of intelligence collected by federal aviation officials about the threat of a terrorist attack.

    The F.A.A. "had indeed considered the possibility that terrorists would hijack a plane and use it as a weapon," and in 2001 it distributed a CD-ROM presentation to airlines and airports that cited the possibility of a suicide hijacking, the report said. Previous commission documents have quoted the CD's reassurance that "fortunately, we have no indication that any group is currently thinking in that direction."

    Aviation officials amassed so much information about the growing threat posed by terrorists that they conducted classified briefings in mid-2001 for security officials at 19 of the nation's busiest airports to warn of the threat posed in particular by Mr. bin Laden, the report said.

    Still, the 9/11 commission concluded that aviation officials did not direct adequate resources or attention to the problem.

    "Throughout 2001, the senior leadership of the F.A.A. was focused on congestion and delays within the system and the ever-present issue of safety, but they were not as focused on security," the report said.

    The F.A.A. did not see a need to increase the air marshal ranks because hijackings were seen as an overseas threat, and one aviation official told the commission said that airlines did not want to give up revenues by providing free seats to marshals.

    The F.A.A. also made no concerted effort to expand their list of terror suspects, which included a dozen names on Sept. 11, the report said. The former head of the F.A.A.'s civil aviation security branch said he was not aware of the government's main watch list, called Tipoff, which included the names of two hijackers who were living in the San Diego area, the report said.

    Nor was there evidence that a senior F.A.A. working group on security had ever met in 2001 to discuss "the high threat period that summer," the report said.

    Jane F. Garvey, the F.A.A. administrator at the time, told the commission "that she was aware of the heightened threat during the summer of 2001," the report said. But several other senior agency officials "were basically unaware of the threat," as were senior airline operations officials and veteran pilots, the report said.

    The classified version of the commission report quotes extensively from circulars prepared by the F.A.A. about the threat of terrorism, but many of those references have been blacked out in the declassified version, officials said.

    Several former commissioners and staff members said they were upset and disappointed by the administration's refusal to release the full report publicly.

    "Our intention was to make as much information available to the public as soon as possible," said Richard Ben-Veniste, a former Sept. 11 commission member.

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    Re: 911 We will not Forget....that Bush did it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Phoenix
    9/11 Report Cites Many Warnings about Hijackings
    By Eric Lichtblau
    The New York Times

    Thursday 10 February 2005

    WASHINGTON, Feb. 9 - In the months before the Sept. 11 attacks, federal aviation officials reviewed dozens of intelligence reports that warned about Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda, some of which specifically discussed airline hijackings and suicide operations, according to a previously undisclosed report from the 9/11 commission.

    But aviation officials were "lulled into a false sense of security," and "intelligence that indicated a real and growing threat leading up to 9/11 did not stimulate significant increases in security procedures," the commission report concluded.

    The report discloses that the Federal Aviation Administration, despite being focused on risks of hijackings overseas, warned airports in the spring of 2001 that if "the intent of the hijacker is not to exchange hostages for prisoners, but to commit suicide in a spectacular explosion, a domestic hijacking would probably be preferable."

    The report takes the F.A.A. to task for failing to pursue domestic security measures that could conceivably have altered the events of Sept. 11, 2001, like toughening airport screening procedures for weapons or expanding the use of on-flight air marshals. The report, completed last August, said officials appeared more concerned with reducing airline congestion, lessening delays, and easing airlines' financial woes than deterring a terrorist attack.

    The Bush administration has blocked the public release of the full, classified version of the report for more than five months, officials said, much to the frustration of former commission members who say it provides a critical understanding of the failures of the civil aviation system. The administration provided both the classified report and a declassified, 120-page version to the National Archives two weeks ago and, even with heavy redactions in some areas, the declassified version provides the firmest evidence to date about the warnings that aviation officials received concerning the threat of an attack on airliners and the failure to take steps to deter it.

    Among other things, the report says that leaders of the F.A.A. received 52 intelligence reports from their security branch that mentioned Mr. bin Laden or Al Qaeda from April to Sept. 10, 2001. That represented half of all the intelligence summaries in that time.

    Five of the intelligence reports specifically mentioned Al Qaeda's training or capability to conduct hijackings, the report said. Two mentioned suicide operations, although not connected to aviation, the report said.

    A spokeswoman for the F.A.A., the agency that bears the brunt of the commission's criticism, said Wednesday that the agency was well aware of the threat posed by terrorists before Sept. 11 and took substantive steps to counter it, including the expanded use of explosives detection units.

    "We had a lot of information about threats," said the spokeswoman, Laura J. Brown. "But we didn't have specific information about means or methods that would have enabled us to tailor any countermeasures."

    She added: "After 9/11, the F.A..A. and the entire aviation community took bold steps to improve aviation security, such as fortifying cockpit doors on 6,000 airplanes, and those steps took hundreds of millions of dollars to implement."

    The report, like previous commission documents, finds no evidence that the government had specific warning of a domestic attack and says that the aviation industry considered the hijacking threat to be more worrisome overseas.

    "The fact that the civil aviation system seems to have been lulled into a false sense of security is striking not only because of what happened on 9/11 but also in light of the intelligence assessments, including those conducted by the F.A.A.'s own security branch, that raised alarms about the growing terrorist threat to civil aviation throughout the 1990's and into the new century," the report said.

    In its previous findings, including a final report last July that became a best-selling book, the 9/11 commission detailed the harrowing events aboard the four hijacked flights that crashed on Sept. 11 and the communications problems between civil aviation and military officials that hampered the response. But the new report goes further in revealing the scope and depth of intelligence collected by federal aviation officials about the threat of a terrorist attack.

    The F.A.A. "had indeed considered the possibility that terrorists would hijack a plane and use it as a weapon," and in 2001 it distributed a CD-ROM presentation to airlines and airports that cited the possibility of a suicide hijacking, the report said. Previous commission documents have quoted the CD's reassurance that "fortunately, we have no indication that any group is currently thinking in that direction."

    Aviation officials amassed so much information about the growing threat posed by terrorists that they conducted classified briefings in mid-2001 for security officials at 19 of the nation's busiest airports to warn of the threat posed in particular by Mr. bin Laden, the report said.

    Still, the 9/11 commission concluded that aviation officials did not direct adequate resources or attention to the problem.

    "Throughout 2001, the senior leadership of the F.A.A. was focused on congestion and delays within the system and the ever-present issue of safety, but they were not as focused on security," the report said.

    The F.A.A. did not see a need to increase the air marshal ranks because hijackings were seen as an overseas threat, and one aviation official told the commission said that airlines did not want to give up revenues by providing free seats to marshals.

    The F.A.A. also made no concerted effort to expand their list of terror suspects, which included a dozen names on Sept. 11, the report said. The former head of the F.A.A.'s civil aviation security branch said he was not aware of the government's main watch list, called Tipoff, which included the names of two hijackers who were living in the San Diego area, the report said.

    Nor was there evidence that a senior F.A.A. working group on security had ever met in 2001 to discuss "the high threat period that summer," the report said.

    Jane F. Garvey, the F.A.A. administrator at the time, told the commission "that she was aware of the heightened threat during the summer of 2001," the report said. But several other senior agency officials "were basically unaware of the threat," as were senior airline operations officials and veteran pilots, the report said.

    The classified version of the commission report quotes extensively from circulars prepared by the F.A.A. about the threat of terrorism, but many of those references have been blacked out in the declassified version, officials said.

    Several former commissioners and staff members said they were upset and disappointed by the administration's refusal to release the full report publicly.

    "Our intention was to make as much information available to the public as soon as possible," said Richard Ben-Veniste, a former Sept. 11 commission member.
    All this "PROVES" is that intel and "possible" intel floods in every day and is "stovepiped" by the cubic metric TON *AND* that they were wrong 51 other times!!! I'm looking and looking and looking but NO WHERE do I see mention in the article that Bush personally read all 52 warnings and then sneered: "proceed forward with eeeeeveeeil little plans Mr Smithers".

    "We had a lot of information about threats," said the spokeswoman, Laura J. Brown. "But we didn't have specific information about means or methods that would have enabled us to tailor any countermeasures."

    And then there's the last sentence in the cute little "fair&unbiased NYTimes screed" by the Mr. left wing liberal lunatic; Ben Veniste himself, that puts this bias HIT PIECE in context like a nice li'l ol' cherry on top.

    In 3 years 11+ months Bush will be gone - who's gonna be the target of this Skull N Bones nonsence then? Newt Gingritch? Seriously what ARE you gonna do in 3 years 11+ months!?!?!

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    Re: 911 We will not Forget....that Bush did it.

    The worst part of that isn't the report itself, it's that these bastards are stifling it - which is inevitable scenery along the path they're driving their tanks down.

    I don't believe the Bush administration is responsible for 9/11, but they certainly welcomed it as an opportunity to ruin the world. And they're doing everything in their power to create much more terrorism.

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    Re: 911 We will not Forget....that Bush did it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Batzdorf
    The worst part of that isn't the report itself, it's that these bastards are stifling it - which is inevitable scenery along the path they're driving their tanks down.

    I don't believe the Bush administration is responsible for 9/11, but they certainly welcomed it as an opportunity to ruin the world. And they're doing everything in their power to create much more terrorism.
    I don't believe they were responsible either, although they might be. But they clearly knew and let it happen. Look what they gained.

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    Re: 911 We will not Forget....that Bush did it.

    For sure they gained a lot, in fact they turned 9/11 into the notorious "catastrophic event" the PNAC lusted after to accelerate their designs. And as I said, they've milked it for all its worth. Cunocaleeza Rice reportely called a meeting soon afterwards to discuss how they could benefit from it. The "War on Terror" continues to be the sales argument for all kinds of comic book-like evil ~~~~.

    But using it to their advantage (and the world's detriment) doesn't prove the Bush administration did anything more ineptly ignoring the warning signs. Of course I don't trust a single thing they say - because they're obviously liars - but I still believe they would have prevented it if they'd known it was going to happen.

    That's all the linked article proves, as far as I can see.

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    Re: 911 We will not Forget....that Bush did it.

    To both Nicks, let me play the other side of this issue.
    Ok, Bush is a turd, but so was Clinton, now let us say that because of vital issues of survival like China's growing economy and greater need for manipulation of resources for eg that the corporate narrative had to go into over kill, that is no way out but to control the major oil regions.
    With this perspective the Corporations had to take the fascist road to control both domestic populations, and there international aggenda.

    What am i getting at? Critisizing Bush is a waiste of time, because the people that really matter are in the shadows.

    And also arnt you both being naive would you let China gain the advantage?
    Would you tolerate the loss of power of the U.S.A?

  7. #7

    Re: 911 We will not Forget....that Bush did it.

    Ok, Bush is a turd, but so was Clinton
    Before reading any farther in your post: if Clinton was a turd, Bush is a cesspool the size of the Caspian Sea.

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    Re: 911 We will not Forget....that Bush did it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Batzdorf
    Before reading any farther in your post: if Clinton was a turd, Bush is a cesspool the size of the Caspian Sea.
    Irrelevant to my point, that is both represent varying degrees of the corporate narrative.

    Clinton the deep i am honest liberal blah blah full of heart part of the corporate narratve.
    And Bush a donkey with no brains and lets screw everyone because things are really challenging our power so we need extreme measures part of the narrative.

    But why are we not challenging the narrative itself?

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    Re: 911 We will not Forget....that Bush did it.

    About the rest of your post, I don't want to see China having an empire like ours, no. However, I think your view of the situation is missing the point.

    Clinton mostly used economic means to maintain our empire. We loaned lots of money to Asian countries, for example, causing their economies to collapse in the late '90s. That's what China is doing to us.

    What Bush is doing - using military means instead of economic ones - is hastening our empire's demise, not preserving it. We can't possibly sustain these wars.

    That's what's behind all the stuff with Social Security, by the way.

    So would I rather lose some power? You bet. We should close almost all our overseas bases, avoid getting into more wars (unfortunately I don't think we can just leave the ones we've started), get our hands out of Korea, the Middle East, the Caspian 'stans, Japan, Europe...and we'd all be safer and more properous.

    Remember, the Iraq war alone is costing us a third of a trillion dollars a year. Think of how much more powerful we'd be with all that money spent constructively.

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    Re: 911 We will not Forget....that Bush did it.

    But Nick, when you say Bush, who exactly are you talking about?

    Obviously the people behind him, now noone has been able to answer this,
    Why has Bush and Co chosen this path?
    What you say doesnt make sense to me, so am i to believe that he and who ever is behind him is purposely bank rolling the country with no motive?

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