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    It's a bit Synthy but it keeps me in the mainstream of arranging.

    This is a classic Sergio Mendez medium Bossa-Nova tempo composition called "So Many Stars" from the 1960's. I've always wanted to arranged this song and I've used basically many of the Classic Motif 8 voices. I have also added a few percussive samples in Giga Format along with an acoustic Guitar in the distance. The Motif voices include The Legend Trumpet, Alto Sax (vib) Sweet Flute, Medium Brass Ensemble, Sax Ensemble, Background Strings, Romantic Trumpet, Trombone, Slap Bass and Dr. Jazz Kit Drums. I have also included "The Midi Format 1 file for study purposes.

    http://www.alanrussell-music.com/So%20Many%20Stars.MP3

    Midi File Format 1

    http://www.alanrussell-music.com/Stars.mid


    All tracks were rendered in REAL time.


    comments are always appreciated.

    Alan Russell
    Please Visit My New & Revised Official Website Below

    http://AlanRussell-Music.com

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    Re: It's a bit Synthy but it keeps me in the mainstream of arranging.

    Oh well folks,

    I tried..maybe the sythy samples have an issue here..

    Back to the drawing board..

    see ya!

    Alan Russell
    Please Visit My New & Revised Official Website Below

    http://AlanRussell-Music.com

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    Re: It's a bit Synthy but it keeps me in the mainstream of arranging.

    Actually, that is a nice arrangement of the tune... I've always liked that tune, along with others by Sergio Mendez, like a lover, and their brazilian stuff...

    I think the trumpet and sax samples worked in the arrangement for the short phrases... I just found the attack in the sample too hard for each... If each was more legato, it would have added to the realism of the sound... I think that the extended solo would have probably worked better with a rhodes sound or acoustic piano sound... I don't know what the sound was that you were using but it should have been either more synthy, or more real, it was too borderline...

    But overall it was a nice arrangement... I definitely dug it...

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    Re: It's a bit Synthy but it keeps me in the mainstream of arranging.

    I agree, nice arrangement - but definitely a synthy issue - I'm going to play with it a bit with my Giga libs, see if I have anything more realisit. If it works, I'll post back to this thread (but don't hold your breath controller, until GPO BB is out, I don't think I have much to offer.

    My duo already does this song with just bass line, and while this is a much nicer arrangement =-hey, it's an actual arrangement, My drummer/partner hates to change charts, but if he likes it - without the lead, drums and solos, we'd do them live - would we have your permission to use it, Alan?
    Dasher
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    It's all about the music - really. I keep telling myself that...

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    Re: It's a bit Synthy but it keeps me in the mainstream of arranging.

    Dasher,

    this was what I was hoping for. The need to substitute other (real) samples for the midi tracks can make this interesting. thanks for your future efforts. I will be listening.


    Alan Russell
    Please Visit My New & Revised Official Website Below

    http://AlanRussell-Music.com

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    Re: It's a bit Synthy but it keeps me in the mainstream of arranging.

    Quote Originally Posted by tradivoro
    Actually, that is a nice arrangement of the tune... I've always liked that tune, along with others by Sergio Mendez, like a lover, and their brazilian stuff...

    I think the trumpet and sax samples worked in the arrangement for the short phrases... I just found the attack in the sample too hard for each... If each was more legato, it would have added to the realism of the sound... I think that the extended solo would have probably worked better with a rhodes sound or acoustic piano sound... I don't know what the sound was that you were using but it should have been either more synthy, or more real, it was too borderline...

    But overall it was a nice arrangement... I definitely dug it...
    Hi tradivoro,

    yes, the legato issue is always with keyboard samples - I concur. This is where VSL could make a good play with their performance tool. I'm still hoping that others will sub the midi tracks for better samples and see what can be done. Thanks for your comments - truly apprecuate them and your critiques are quite accurate.

    BTW, the muted trumpet played the entire solo chorus...of course a rhodes or an accoustic guitar may have been better placed..

    Alan Russell
    Please Visit My New & Revised Official Website Below

    http://AlanRussell-Music.com

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    Re: It's a bit Synthy but it keeps me in the mainstream of arranging.

    Quote Originally Posted by thesoundsmith
    I agree, nice arrangement - but definitely a synthy issue - I'm going to play with it a bit with my Giga libs, see if I have anything more realisit. If it works, I'll post back to this thread (but don't hold your breath controller, until GPO BB is out, I don't think I have much to offer.

    My duo already does this song with just bass line, and while this is a much nicer arrangement =-hey, it's an actual arrangement, My drummer/partner hates to change charts, but if he likes it - without the lead, drums and solos, we'd do them live - would we have your permission to use it, Alan?

    Dasher,

    why certainly you have my blessed permission. If and when you can get a live play recording of this, this would bring joy to my heart. We are all in this together for the sake of art currently dwelling in the virtual community.

    Alan Russell
    Please Visit My New & Revised Official Website Below

    http://AlanRussell-Music.com

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    Re: It's a bit Synthy but it keeps me in the mainstream of arranging.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Blaske
    Say, as a side note, if you're not already hip to it, check out the Singers Unlimited version of this song for some harmonic inspiration. Then again, after hearing Bonnie Herman croon her way through it, you might just give up and move on to a different tune.

    Lee Blaske

    So Lee,

    are you saying that there are better versions of the tune and this one should be abandoned for the sake of the midi tracks provided.

    Please clarify..I'm a bit confused

    Alan Russell
    Please Visit My New & Revised Official Website Below

    http://AlanRussell-Music.com

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    Re: It's a bit Synthy but it keeps me in the mainstream of arranging.

    Alan, thanks for the kind thoughts,. If this works out, I'll try and get you a recording. If not, it'll go into my file of tunes for instrumental performances.

    Either way, remember - there's always more than one 'definitive' version of a song...
    Dasher
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    It's all about the music - really. I keep telling myself that...

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    Re: It's a bit Synthy but it keeps me in the mainstream of arranging.

    Dasher,

    I appreciate the opportunity here. Please look for my latest post, I do have a question for all..

    Alan Russell
    Please Visit My New & Revised Official Website Below

    http://AlanRussell-Music.com

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