Hi all and thanks for reading this. I\'m on the verge of purchasing an entirely new system dedicated to GS (thanks for the excellent config tips killerbobjr) within the next few days. I\'m going to build it myself. If any of you good, knowledgable people would look it over and tell me if you think it\'s a good config for a dedicated GS setup, point out any weaknesses, or let me know if I can do better, I would *greatly* appreciate it. Here it is:
1) Medium tower case, 300W power supply
2) Intel CC820 main board, 133Mhz front side bus, Intel 820 jumperless chipset w/no audio
3) Intel Pentium III 600EB, 600Mhz processor capable of utilizing 133Mhz bus
4) 256MB 100Mhz ram (there\'s just not any 133Mhz ram available yet... and the CC820 doesn\'t support it anyway)
5) Adaptec AHA-19160 Ultra160 SCSI controller
6) Plextor 32x SCSI CD-ROM drive (with caddyless loading)
7) Floppy drive
8) Quantum Atlas 10K, Ultra160, 18.2GB, 10000RPM hard drive with 4.7ms avg. access time and 160MB/s sustained transfer rate
9) Echo Gina card using 5.02 drivers (already have this... got a floor model for $50 that seems to work fine)
One question I have already: Would it be stupid to get an EIDE ATA/66 drive for the boot drive? Would that negate performance? It would allow me to get a non-SCSI CD drive and isolate the SCSI bus to the GS sample drive... but it could negate performance... I just don\'t know how EIDE and SCSI interact. Or would it be better to just go with the one SCSI drive... I know people recommend 2 drives, but that really runs up the cost.
Hey Tim - I\'m working my way through the same issues these days. The MOST helpful website by far that I know is at www.audiocomputing.com . Go to Boris\' Corner and read the extensive, helpful articles - about seven of them. This guy really knows the details and will chat with you on the phone, regardless of how likely a customer you are. End result: I\'m gonna buy a machine from Boris - when I can afford it, that is.
Tim, mostly well spec\'d. Don\'t shortchange yourself in the disk department, that will be your perfomance limiting factor with GS. I wouldn\'t worry about the speed of RAM, the normal stuff is plenty fast and you\'ll do better to remove other bottlenecks (mostly that disk). Personally, I wouldn\'t spend much of a premium for 133Mhz, or 600Mhz over 500, or plextor scsi. The plextor is way nice, but I\'ve got a toshiba scsi cd that was cheap and fast, and I don\'t give it a second thought. I don\'t know your adaptec card, if it\'s just one bus you don\'t want to mix fast wide protocol stuff with slow/narrow, I have a 2940u2w with 2 busses, so the fast disks can be run wide, and the narrow scsi cd\'s are separate. If that plextor is wide you\'ll pay a huge premium for it (probably not worth it) and if it\'s narrow I wouldn\'t put in on the same scsi chain as a premium drive.
SCSI and ide get along fine, I do that. Also I suspect the performance difference is not huge, I stream audio in and out to/from both simultaneously and it works fine in any combo. Good to separate the GS streaming disk from the windows/ audio writing disk, GS will hit its disk pretty hard when you\'re streaming in say 40 sustaining notes.
The other thing I\'d check on is that the Echo card runs on a system with such a fast bus. Not trying to spread FUD, since I have no idea, but in the past some Echo cards were sensitive in their system requirements.
I put together a system sorta like yours 6 months ago so most of it is lower speced than what you have (same memory, 500Mhz, 7200 rpm drives (20G ide & 9G scsi, I haven\'t nearly filled them, and when they\'re full big disks will be much less). I want for nothing in GS (it kicks *ss actually), you\'d do fine with \'older\' technology if $ is an issue. I do recommend getting quality stuff and you\'ve chosen well there.
BTW, I spoke to the tech support department at Echo by phone, and they say that the Gina card (and all their cards) work fine on the CC820 motherboard. Their main concern is that you have an Intel chipset and an Intel processor. They don\'t recommend Athlon processors or VIA chipsets, FWIW.
Hi all and thanks for reading this. I\'m on the verge of purchasing an entirely new system dedicated to GS
Egads! You\'ve got enough of a system there to run Gigasampler and a sequencer at the same time plus sequence the entire human genome! ;-)
One question I have already: Would it be stupid to get an EIDE ATA/66 drive for the boot drive?
As long as you keep just the OS and GS on the IDE drive and turn off the swap file, you should be okay. The main thing is to not access the boot drive once everything is running. Theoretically, you should only need one drive on a dedicated GS machine, but I haven\'t been able to prove to my satisfaction that Windows doesn\'t load and unload DLL\'s from the system directory or read and write to the registry while GS is running. Eventually I\'ll have to go in there with the debugger and find out for sure, but for now I recommend a seperate boot drive just to be safe.
ahm ... sorry, to jump in here guys but there are two things I am not happy about in Cool7s-Dad´s planned configuration.
Well, he didn\'t say he wanted the cheapest system possible. For a dedicated Gigasampler system that WON\'T be upgraded to Gigastudio, I\'d recommend as the cheapest configuration:
AMD K6-2 500MHz processor
FIC VA-503+ motherboard + AT style case
128MB PC100 ram
IBM Deskstar or Seagate Barracuda IDE drive (both sub-9ms)
Matrox G200 video card
Any cheap, fast CD-ROM drive
MIDIMan Delta44 audio card
This is way more than adequate for GS running by itself on a dedicated machine.
For a more flexible system that can do all 160 voices in Gigastudio when it is released:
Intel Coppermine 600E processor
Asus P3B-F motherboard
256MB PC100 ram
IBM Ultrastar or Quantum Atlas SCSI U2W drive (not Seagate though -- their SCSI drives are too noisy and run too hot)
Adaptec 2940U2W LVD SCSI controller
Matrox G400 video card
Pioneer 303S or 404S SCSI DVD drive
Aardvark Aark 24/24 audio card
This is priced low enough that it won\'t break the bank but gives pretty high performance. In fact, my two DAW systems are pretty similiar to these configurations, the main exceptions being that I run two SCSI drives on the K6 based system (where GS is) and the Coppermine system is overclocked (running Cakewalk PA9). (My former Pentium 233 that I describe in my tips article is now my network server).
Thanks you guys for all your great input and advice. The deed is done, and here\'s what I wound up with:
Asus P3B-F main board (6 PCI, 1 ISA)
Pentium III CuMine 700Mhz processor
512MB Micron PC-100 8ns SDRAM
Quantum Atlas 10K 9.1GB, 10000RPM, 4.7ms, Ultra160 A/V rated hard drive (boot drive)
Quantum Atlas 10K 18.2GB, 10000RPM, 4.7ms, Ultra160 A/V rated hard drive (samples)
Adaptec 19160 Ultra160 dual channel SCSI controller
Toshiba SCSI2, 40X CDROM drive
Echo Gina card with GSIF drivers
SoundBlaster Live! Platium
Matrox G200 8MB video card
Opcode Studio 64X MIDI interface
Kingston 10BT NIC
Medium tower side panel access case w/300W power supply with fan
Dual fan upgrade for processor
Additional case fan
It would be nice if this config could deliver the whole ball of wax, ie.: GigaStudio\'ing with all 160 voices of polyphony while sequencing and recording to hard disk simultaneously. Then I could give my PII 266 to my wife. However, I\'m prepared to continue using the PII 266 to do the sequencing and master takes. I can then do my live recording and mixing with the new machine also.
That sounds like one heck of a system. The
only thing you will want to watch for if you
encounter problems is what devices are sharing
IRQ\'s with other devices. I\'d try and arrange
everything so everything gets its own IRQ although
win98 can fight you on this. Be aware that some
PCI slots will always share IRQ\'s with specific
other slots, the manual describes this if you
know what you\'re looking for.